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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #28350 on: July 25, 2016, 11:13:35 AM »
Probably the smartest thing to do would be to merge the PAC 12 and Big 12 into a new 16 team conference, kicking out Baylor, TCU, WVU, ISU, KSU, WSU, and Oregon State.

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« Reply #28351 on: July 25, 2016, 11:19:08 AM »
WVU will end up in the SEC eventually

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« Reply #28352 on: July 25, 2016, 11:25:53 AM »
well i like the sound of this


I agree.  It's encouraging.  First time I have doubted our theory that Bowlsby is a rough ridin' stuffed shirt check casher.

I hope we consider going for the gold (Olympic season, so we have to say this) and landing several PAC teams...my preference would be take as many as we can get.

eh, he still is, he's just a puppet for the ADs

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« Reply #28353 on: July 25, 2016, 11:27:33 AM »
I'd like to be the first to welcome Arizona and Arizona State to the B12.

I wondered when you would drop this.

Had to get a couple more sources to the level of interest.
How high exactly is the interest?

Enough to reach out to individual schools to gauge interest in expanding west and support for a fight for grant of rights. Fox Sports is said to be in favor. They believe they can make more money on FS Arizona and will be able to renegotiate the PAC Network contract. Luckily, the PAC GOR is about a strong as ours. Sure it exists, but more as gentleman's agreement than a binding contract with actual teeth.

Sounds like the arizonas are disgruntled about something and will have the big 12 draw up a proposal with which they'll have the leverage to get concessions or change or whatever from the pac 12 and not ever come close to following through with voluntarily going to brownbackistan and west virginia.

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« Reply #28354 on: July 25, 2016, 11:29:27 AM »
I hope we consider going for the gold (Olympic season, so we have to say this) and landing several PAC teams...my preference would be take as many as we can get.

WVU will end up in the SEC eventually

Go get the 4 of Zona, ASU, Utah, and Colorado for now. WVU will soon get tired of the travel and the conference can help them find a safe landing spot in the ACC/SEC/WGAF. Then add 1 more to get back to 14, or 3 more to get to 16, I don't know. I'm still clearing the fog from the weekend.

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« Reply #28355 on: July 25, 2016, 11:34:08 AM »
Probably the smartest thing to do would be to merge the PAC 12 and Big 12 into a new 16 team conference, kicking out Baylor, TCU, WVU, ISU, KSU, WSU, and Oregon State.

That'd be 15.  The new superconference would need a jobber, right?

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« Reply #28356 on: July 25, 2016, 12:10:47 PM »
WVU will end up in the SEC eventually
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« Reply #28357 on: July 25, 2016, 01:07:39 PM »
For the record, I don't think any of this will happen.  But if I'm a fan of a pac12 school and my school leaves for the big12 then I'd be livid.  The big12 is garbage, it's a hodgepodge of big 8 leftovers and a bunch of schools from Texas.  I'd much rather make less money and remain in the pac12 as would any university that respects itself.

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« Reply #28358 on: July 25, 2016, 02:26:49 PM »
For the record, I don't think any of this will happen.  But if I'm a fan of a pac12 school and my school leaves for the big12 then I'd be livid.  The big12 is garbage, it's a hodgepodge of big 8 leftovers and a bunch of schools from Texas.  I'd much rather make less money and remain in the pac12 as would any university that respects itself.

Yeah I agree. Pac 12 us the best and most fun conf
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« Reply #28359 on: July 25, 2016, 02:28:50 PM »
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« Reply #28360 on: July 25, 2016, 03:21:47 PM »
The following is what I have come up with after one week of digesting the news.  Feel free to pick apart, respond like mocat, or talk trash on whataburger as necessary in your replies.

Big 6/7/8 (OU) Division- OU, OSU, KSU, KU, Iowa State, and a pick/picks)

Southwest (UT) Division- UT, Tech, TCU, WV, Baylor, and a pick/picks)

Scenarios:

Rivalry Games and Crossover Divisional Games - A  guaranteed rivalry game to preserve the RRR and maybe some other rivalries that came about in the past few decades (my choices match above, in order, for a 12 team model).  This is simple to apply in a 14/16 team league with 9/8 conference games in the regular season.  The crossover games would be on either a 1-2-2-2 model (14 teams) or just straight divisional games and a crossover game (16 teams).  It's more problematic in a twelve team model because it eliminates the 3-3 possibility.

12 teams - UT picks Houston and OU picks Colorado State or BYU.

14/16 teams - The team that OU doesn't choose from CSU/BYU goes Southwest and OU chooses whomever they want at that point to get to 14.  You can see where it goes from here.  I don't think anyone outside of the Arizona's, BYU, CSU, Houston, Memphis and/or Cincy should be added.  Memphis and Cincy should be avoided if possible.  Throughout the course of American history, I cannot think of one successful, progressive venture that started by expanding eastward except the western half of the transcontinental railroad.

Schedule Improvement - UT and OU would be given the opportunity to improve their own schedules with each pick.  UT can avoid playing the ISU's and KU's of the world as often as they do now which increases the novelty of those games.  It also helps them avoid pud schools, that they don't care about, being on their schedule every year.  UT would get a consecutive home and home series with the other OU Division teams every 6 years, with 4 years off, in the 14 team league and never play the others in a 16 team league.  Additionally, there's the added possibility that OU and UT would meet in the championship game with the winner to the CFP.  If you add the Arizona's down the road to get to 14 or 16, you can split them and have the same possibility.  It's almost like playing blackjack!

Naming Rights - Pretty sure the league owns the rights to Big 6/7/8/12/14/16 and Southwest names.

Considerations - Are there 8 votes for this to pass?

Anyway, that's about enough for now.  I'm exhausted.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #28361 on: July 25, 2016, 03:46:39 PM »
For the record, I don't think any of this will happen.  But if I'm a fan of a pac12 school and my school leaves for the big12 then I'd be livid.  The big12 is garbage, it's a hodgepodge of big 8 leftovers and a bunch of schools from Texas.  I'd much rather make less money and remain in the pac12 as would any university that respects itself.

Yeah I agree. Pac 12 us the best and most fun conf

The Pac 12 basketball tournament last year was apparently a tipping point.  I guess the majority of the tournament was on the P12N, and the whole thing was botched.  They regionalized the whole thing and everyone missed most of the games if they didn't live in the region where the team was from.

For a team like Arizona that has a great basketball program, ask how many times a year you see them on ESPN, CBS, or any relevant network?

The move to the Big 12 could be seen in a positive light by Arizona fans if they want to play in a much better basketball conference.  ESPN is basically on our junk every year for being the best conference since the Big East disbanded.

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« Reply #28362 on: July 25, 2016, 05:51:58 PM »
I'd be ok with Arizona schools.  I give it a 2% chance though.  I'd love to put my foot in my mouth on this one though.
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #28363 on: July 25, 2016, 06:19:27 PM »
This ain't happening. Get ready for turd schools.
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« Reply #28364 on: July 25, 2016, 07:18:22 PM »
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« Reply #28365 on: July 26, 2016, 09:05:31 AM »
Lost in all of this is ECU's hilarious bid for us. They are like a fat chick who just wants to get laid and will do anything you want to do so:

https://twitter.com/ECUAthletics/status/756234529220730883

https://twitter.com/ECUAthletics/status/757669413659213824
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« Reply #28366 on: July 26, 2016, 09:07:59 AM »
can you imagine the big 12 allowing a purple school in?  :lol:

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« Reply #28367 on: July 26, 2016, 09:11:06 AM »
ECU would be a great get
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« Reply #28368 on: July 26, 2016, 10:05:42 AM »
I'd be ok with Arizona schools.  I give it a 2% chance though.  I'd love to put my foot in my mouth on this one though.

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« Reply #28369 on: July 26, 2016, 10:16:29 AM »
This ain't happening. Get ready for turd schools.

Houston and BYU are so MEH that it's just perfect for the Big 12

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« Reply #28370 on: July 26, 2016, 10:25:51 AM »
can you imagine the big 12 allowing a purple school in?  :lol:

Maybe we should all leave the Big 12 and form the Big Purple.

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« Reply #28371 on: July 26, 2016, 10:34:33 AM »
ecu can deliver the entire state of north carolina except for unc and nc state and unc wilmington and charlotte.  duke doesn't really count b/c no one from north carolina goes there.


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« Reply #28372 on: July 26, 2016, 10:45:51 AM »
What if everyone just joins together to make one huge mega conference with like 65 teams.  Then we would have all the TV sets and the conference winner is the national champion.

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« Reply #28373 on: July 26, 2016, 10:49:51 AM »
Actually 16 four team conferences would be perfect.  You would schedule about 6 or 7 non-conference games (and everyone would schedule really tough games because the outcomes don't matter but you want to play tough teams to get ready for your 3 conference games) and then each winner of the 16 conferences gets a spot in the playoff.  Not sure about TV sets though.

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« Reply #28374 on: July 26, 2016, 11:00:54 AM »
Actually 16 four team conferences would be perfect.  You would schedule about 6 or 7 non-conference games (and everyone would schedule really tough games because the outcomes don't matter but you want to play tough teams to get ready for your 3 conference games) and then each winner of the 16 conferences gets a spot in the playoff.  Not sure about TV sets though.

I doubt KSU will be included in one of the 16 team conferences if this is how it ends up.