Author Topic: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum... (Read 30943 times)

nicname · « **Reply #175 on:** January 18, 2015, 02:46:57 AM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on January 18, 2015, 01:23:48 AM

Quote from: dal9 on January 18, 2015, 12:22:03 AM
Quote from: MakeItRain on January 17, 2015, 10:26:42 PM

I'm not sure oscar's doghouse cost us the OSU game but it may have cost us the Georgia game.

And this is the end of the story if we pretend MF2's attitude and effort hasn't changed since the benching...

The benching was stupid and didn't work. He was benched for the second half against Georgia, we lost. He was benched against OSU, he played his worst game ever, was completely checked out on the bench, and we lost. He played more minutes against TCU, OU, Tech, and Baylor, played better and we won all of those games. He played better because he is very talented, he played more minutes, and he was engaged. It seems obvious to me that looking at the OSU and Georgia games are striking examples of the benching not working, but your confirmation bias doesn't allow you to see the obvious. There is plenty of praise on these boards for oscar today, praising him for this is disingenuous and stupid.

It's not necessarily that absolute. It was obviously going to be a struggle with Foster languishing on the bench and being ineffective when he did play, but he's played well and come up in big moments since. It's tough to say whether the benching had anything to do with his play since, but he's definitely been better.

Cire · « **Reply #176 on:** January 18, 2015, 08:57:43 AM »

I feel like nino finishes well too.

michigancat · « **Reply #177 on:** January 18, 2015, 09:43:53 AM »

Quote from: nicname on January 18, 2015, 02:46:57 AM

It's tough to say whether the benching had anything to do with his play since, but he's definitely been better.

It's actually very easy to say it had zero effect. His defense was just as lazy against TCU and OU as it supposedly was against Georgia and OSU. All players have ups and downs with shooting that are almost always related to nothing.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #178 on:** January 18, 2015, 10:25:12 AM »

Foster gets the attention, but oscar also has been playing the no start/playing time game with other guys too.

Nino played a combined 26 minutes vs Georgia and OSU. Westicles had a stretch where he didn't play much. Edwards has done his share of sitting. Gip didn't start. Thomas missed a start. The Jevon/Nigel yo yo.

Its not like this is exclusive to one guy.

chum1 · « **Reply #179 on:** January 18, 2015, 10:43:59 AM »

Maybe Frank needs to up his benching game since South Carolina is currently 11th in the SEC standings.

treysolid · « **Reply #180 on:** January 18, 2015, 01:07:03 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on January 17, 2015, 11:23:41 PM

It's the rebounding and defense too though. He's a 6'4" power forward with limited physical tools but he is effective in a big 5 conference. He's like every Kansas 5 and 6A big but he's made himself into a quality D1 contributor, its odd.

When I read this, I just thought of David Hoskins.

michigancat · « **Reply #181 on:** January 18, 2015, 01:07:32 PM »

Hoskins had crazy athleticism

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #182 on:** January 18, 2015, 01:20:41 PM »

The people refusing to give oscar any credit for Foster's turnaround are looking really rough ridin' desperate in this thread.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #183 on:** January 18, 2015, 02:32:37 PM »

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 18, 2015, 01:20:41 PM

The people refusing to give oscar any credit for Foster's turnaround are looking really rough ridin' desperate in this thread.

He's not any better than he was before those 2 games. We're not giving oscar credit because there was no turnaround. People who didn't favor the best benching aren't going to give him credit because there is a philosophical disagreement with the benching. These conversations were happening before the TCU and OU games, it has nothing to do with desperation.

CNS · « **Reply #184 on:** January 18, 2015, 03:02:10 PM »

Wasn't foster more productive prior to getting Bruced around?

kso_FAN · « **Reply #185 on:** January 18, 2015, 04:42:52 PM »

Quote from: CNS on January 18, 2015, 03:02:10 PM

Wasn't foster more productive prior to getting Bruced around?

I'm trying to do a Big 12 only per 100s, but statsheet won't update from yesterday's games.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #186 on:** January 18, 2015, 05:26:16 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on January 18, 2015, 02:32:37 PM

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 18, 2015, 01:20:41 PM
The people refusing to give oscar any credit for Foster's turnaround are looking really rough ridin' desperate in this thread.

He's not any better than he was before those 2 games. We're not giving oscar credit because there was no turnaround. People who didn't favor the best benching aren't going to give him credit because there is a philosophical disagreement with the benching. These conversations were happening before the TCU and OU games, it has nothing to do with desperation.

Desperate.

bunter · « **Reply #187 on:** January 18, 2015, 05:41:54 PM »

http://m.cjonline.com/sports/2012-03-31/weber-not-coach-some-fans-wanted#gsc.tab=0

We just need more heroes like this guy to keep the heat on oscar and continue to demand results

kso_FAN · « **Reply #188 on:** January 18, 2015, 05:46:28 PM »

Quote from: bunter on January 18, 2015, 05:41:54 PM

http://m.cjonline.com/sports/2012-03-31/weber-not-coach-some-fans-wanted#gsc.tab=0

We just need more heroes like this guy to keep the heat on oscar and continue to demand results

Yes!

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #189 on:** January 18, 2015, 05:48:52 PM »

Seeing as the problem was the selfishness of an individual or individuals, looking at individual "productivity" of those players is dumb (desperate). I'll take collective team effort and success, which is obviously better.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #190 on:** January 18, 2015, 08:27:55 PM »

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 18, 2015, 05:48:52 PM

Seeing as the problem was the selfishness of an individual or individuals, looking at individual "productivity" of those players is dumb (desperate). I'll take collective team effort and success, which is obviously better.

Those two things are obviously mutually exclusive.

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #191 on:** January 18, 2015, 09:18:39 PM »

Quote from: bunter on January 18, 2015, 05:41:54 PM

http://m.cjonline.com/sports/2012-03-31/weber-not-coach-some-fans-wanted#gsc.tab=0

We just need more heroes like this guy to keep the heat on oscar and continue to demand results

What a stud.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #192 on:** January 18, 2015, 09:37:03 PM »

bet that guy LOVES new girl

Missouriscribe · « **Reply #193 on:** January 18, 2015, 11:31:53 PM »

Quote from: treysolid on January 18, 2015, 01:07:03 PM

Quote from: MakeItRain on January 17, 2015, 11:23:41 PM
It's the rebounding and defense too though. He's a 6'4" power forward with limited physical tools but he is effective in a big 5 conference. He's like every Kansas 5 and 6A big but he's made himself into a quality D1 contributor, its odd.

When I read this, I just thought of David Hoskins.

"Dave's good. Dave tries."

sys · « **Reply #194 on:** April 02, 2015, 02:43:11 PM »

spent a couple of minutes looking at s carolina's kenpom's. they look like a half decent bet for a tournament team next year. their biggest problem this year was shooting. the guy that they need to shoot better (thornwell) shot just 27% this year, but looks like he should revert to a higher mean. the other semi-high volume shooter looks like he should stay around/above 35% and they have multiple candidates on the team and with the incoming recruits for a third shooter to emerge. they only lose one senior (fff had a great saying about that).

even with their abysmal offense this year, their defense was good enough that their kenpom was better than their record and next year should see kenpom improvement. the tough part is not many sec teams tend to get in the tournament. sometimes we forget how nice it is to be a member of an overrated conference.

Cire · « **Reply #195 on:** April 02, 2015, 03:05:47 PM »

what was their ORB% rFT?

sys · « **Reply #196 on:** April 02, 2015, 03:14:52 PM »

Quote from: Cire on April 02, 2015, 03:05:47 PM

what was their ORB% rFT?

34.6% (59th), ft/fg was just 37.3 (160th).

wetwillie · « **Reply #197 on:** April 02, 2015, 07:25:11 PM »

I don't think he is going to make it. hope he does though.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #198 on:** April 03, 2015, 03:22:16 PM »

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michigancat · « **Reply #199 on:** April 03, 2015, 03:26:23 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on April 03, 2015, 03:22:16 PM

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ouch!