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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2018, 12:10:32 AM »
Yeah, I'm being reactionary and probably unfair. He's just putting up such bad efficiencies, its hard to look at him being a contributor. Of course, he's probably not close to 100%, but I also am unsure of him coming back and accepting being a role player on this team.

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2018, 12:30:23 AM »
he has proven over ~2 seasons that he's a competent B12 guard.

not really.  i mean he can play in this league, but as a starting pg he's probably 10th out of 10.
By what measures?

he's a poor defender and one dimensional on offense.  and he's not like off the charts in that dimension.  over 3 years, he's 35% from 3.  orating hovering around 100 without being asked to do too much (low 20s % usage).

i don't want to take the time to compare him to every pg in the conference, but honestly it's not even close for most teams.  i guess maybe you could argue texas?  but most teams have 2, 3 or 4 players that could play pg better than him, so i'll stick by the point.  hell, kstate has 2 players that play point better than him.
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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2018, 12:34:22 AM »
But he's not a starting point guard anymore. What's not being discussed is how his move to the bench may be affecting his game. oscar and Chris has said they moved him to the bench to give the bench more scoring but it's pretty clear he isn't close to his best in this role. If he stays here and continues to be our 6th man he'll be more effective given time to adjust to the role.

he'd be useful off the bench.  not sure i'd have him as high as 6th man.  i think they'd probably be better off with wainright as the first guard off the bench.  he's not the shooter stokes is, but kstate has plenty of guys that can score.
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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2018, 01:54:33 AM »
I don't want him to and would be disappointed if he left.  He's had good moments here.

That doesn't change my mind that he has been Pretty bad post injury and his shooting is crap right now, and he wasn't really a good player the last dozen games last year.   His careless TOs at the end of last year drove me crazy....but he has been better this year in cutting those down.

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2018, 10:52:03 AM »
Can we recruit over stokes? No


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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2018, 11:18:49 AM »
Can we recruit over stokes? No


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Maybe we have already. Isn't Shaun Williams, 6-3 point guard from St. Louis our only commit?

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2018, 11:28:32 AM »
Yes and Mcguirl looks promising. Diarra has literally been recruited over him.

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2018, 12:14:28 PM »
Yes and Mcguirl looks promising. Diarra has literally been recruited over him.
Seems McGuirl is a natural point guard and Stokes a better 2 guard.  Wacky, how much will Shaun Williams impact the guard situation?  Do we have a chance at Mark Smith?  You bet on both Stokes and Patrick leaving?

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2018, 12:34:09 PM »
Yes and Mcguirl looks promising. Diarra has literally been recruited over him.

Cartier was not recruited over Kam, wacky. Cartier was recruited when Kam was a freshman. Williams and McGuirl weren't recruited over Kam either. No one will be recruited over Kam. Williams was recruited over Brian Patrick and Trice is being recruited over Sallah.

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2018, 01:04:24 PM »
who had the worse season- alex gordon or kam stokes


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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2018, 01:17:41 PM »
Gordon was good at defense at least
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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2018, 01:28:15 PM »
Gordon was good at defense at least

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2018, 01:49:02 PM »
I don’t need a turnover machine trying to shoot his way out of a slump in a single elimination tourney

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2018, 02:03:03 PM »
stokes and diarra both average the same turnovers/game but stokes is a turnover machine and diarra isnt.  :jerk:

agree though i dont want us to chance it in the tourney and seems likely he'll still get limited minutes anyways

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2018, 02:48:22 PM »
diarra is also a turnover machine, but he can do other stuff too.
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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2018, 03:42:35 PM »
their turnovers/40 is comparable to any other decent big 12 point guard :jerk:

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2018, 03:54:47 PM »
their turnovers/40 is comparable to any other decent big 12 point guard :jerk:
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our lack of talent b/w the 4-5 increases the importance of the 2’s on our roster


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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2018, 03:56:14 PM »
their turnovers/40 is comparable to any other decent big 12 point guard :jerk:

christ, it's like you're illiterate.
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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2018, 04:06:26 PM »
i may be illiterate but i can read numbers. before the injury, 13ppg, 5apg, 1.5spg, 2to/g, 42% from 3

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2018, 08:52:12 PM »
There's no doubt that since the injury he's been a diff'rent Stokes.

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2018, 09:03:05 PM »
There's no doubt that since the injury he's been a diff'rent Stokes.
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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2018, 09:31:21 PM »
There's no doubt that since the injury he's been a diff'rent Stokes.

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2018, 10:07:37 PM »
Stokes first 13 games he was shooting 45% from 3pt & 2pt range.  Now most of that is not vs Power6 teams. 

I would take 40-41% 3pt and 43-45% 2pt because he would be over 50 on eFG.  In 34 games vs B12 teams last 2 years he is only 38.6% eFG.

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2018, 03:02:39 PM »
There's no doubt that since the injury he's been a diff'rent Stokes.

Good for you, well done


Yeah yeah, pretty basic low hanging fruit there, I know. I'll see to it that the quality of my future posts are movin on up

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Re: Can we talk Stokes?
« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2018, 05:54:08 PM »
There's no doubt that since the injury he's been a diff'rent Stokes.

Good for you, well done


Yeah yeah, pretty basic low hanging fruit there, I know. I'll see to it that the quality of my future posts are movin on up

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