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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2017, 02:00:19 PM »
We averaged 33 PPG the last 8 years. Hard to gripe about that.

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2017, 02:08:44 PM »
Offense was fine when we had healthy qbs.


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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2017, 02:09:59 PM »
Dimel fell in love with qb power because it does work.  Except it also sketti’s qb’s.


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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2017, 02:34:05 PM »
@ksu_FAN1 can we get a fact check on this?



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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #54 on: December 07, 2017, 03:03:51 PM »
I don't think Dimel was great this year.  But there is no denying the success we have had on offense in Snyder 2.0.  Especially when you consider offense as including the ability to avoid turnovers.

I think you might be undervaluing the Del Miller part of the equation

I'm not overlooking it...I'm in total agreement.  We weren't quite as sharp this year, and it probably fair to assume that Miller's absence was at least a part of that.

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #55 on: December 07, 2017, 03:05:43 PM »
@ksu_FAN1 can we get a fact check on this?






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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2017, 03:54:58 PM »
We had the 42nd most efficient offense in college football; just behind Colorado State (hi Mike!) and ahead of Ole Miss.

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2017, 05:17:04 PM »
I want a Ron Hudson clone.
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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2017, 05:24:08 PM »
Bielma, BV, and Levitt all splitting DC... no idea about OC.


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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2017, 06:36:34 PM »
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

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While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #60 on: December 07, 2017, 06:49:38 PM »
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.
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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #61 on: December 07, 2017, 06:51:25 PM »


Cheesy Mustache QB might make an appearance.

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #62 on: December 07, 2017, 08:14:37 PM »
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.

If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #63 on: December 07, 2017, 08:23:32 PM »
Maybe Dimel meant he had the most efficient FIRST HALF offense in America?

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #64 on: December 07, 2017, 08:25:45 PM »
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.

If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.

there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #65 on: December 07, 2017, 08:31:10 PM »

Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #66 on: December 07, 2017, 08:40:11 PM »

Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #67 on: December 07, 2017, 08:44:26 PM »

Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.
Smith is a good recruiter.  The interwebs say this is important.

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #68 on: December 07, 2017, 08:47:20 PM »

Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.
Smith is a good recruiter.  The interwebs say this is important.
That isn’t my point. Why would you move Coleman off of WRs for Smith while Coleman has built a relationship with this entire WR core just because he’d hypothetically get moved to OC. Why wouldn’t Smith just come in and coach RBs or TEs?

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #69 on: December 07, 2017, 09:10:37 PM »
Holy moly chill out! I'm just throwing crap against the wall.

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #70 on: December 07, 2017, 10:00:29 PM »
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.

If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.

there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #71 on: December 07, 2017, 10:24:38 PM »
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.

If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.

there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.

Ok, just making sure that's what you were getting at.

So yeah I definitely realize that Snyder never having minority position coaches qualified to become coordinators is a big part of why he's never hired a minority coordinator. I also think it's fair to criticize him (and most college head coaches) for not hiring and/or developing more minority position coaches to be ready for coordinator positions.

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #72 on: December 07, 2017, 10:39:49 PM »

Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.
Smith is a good recruiter.  The interwebs say this is important.
That isn’t my point. Why would you move Coleman off of WRs for Smith while Coleman has built a relationship with this entire WR core just because he’d hypothetically get moved to OC. Why wouldn’t Smith just come in and coach RBs or TEs?

Our WRs dropped an absolute fuckload of passes this year? :dunno:
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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #73 on: December 07, 2017, 11:33:58 PM »
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.

If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.

there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.

Ok, just making sure that's what you were getting at.

So yeah I definitely realize that Snyder never having minority position coaches qualified to become coordinators is a big part of why he's never hired a minority coordinator. I also think it's fair to criticize him (and most college head coaches) for not hiring and/or developing more minority position coaches to be ready for coordinator positions.

I agree with this

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Re: Who should the new OC be?
« Reply #74 on: December 08, 2017, 01:07:42 AM »
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.

If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.

there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.

Ok, just making sure that's what you were getting at.

So yeah I definitely realize that Snyder never having minority position coaches qualified to become coordinators is a big part of why he's never hired a minority coordinator. I also think it's fair to criticize him (and most college head coaches) for not hiring and/or developing more minority position coaches to be ready for coordinator positions.

I agree with this

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