Author Topic: FINAL UPDATE: 2015 K-State Player Per 100 Ratings (Read 9606 times)

kso_FAN · « **on:** November 25, 2014, 10:51:28 AM »

The first edition of 2014-15 Per 100s are here! (let me know if you notice any glitches/errors as I get this year's installment worked out.)

Each player's stats are adjusted only for the possessions they are on the floor using their minutes percentage, games played, and K-State's average possessions per game.

Example from the chart: Jevon Thomas averages 11 assists for every 100 possessions he's on the floor.

pvegs · « **Reply #1 on:** November 25, 2014, 10:55:06 AM »

Tre is looking very DITR

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 25, 2014, 11:16:59 AM »

Oh my God, Edwards is shooting 10% from 3.

pvegs · « **Reply #3 on:** November 25, 2014, 12:36:01 PM »

Quote from: Stevesie60 on November 25, 2014, 11:16:59 AM

Oh my God, Edwards is shooting 10% from 3.

His shooting has been staggeringly bad. Like, outside of dunking and the occasional rebound I can't think of anything good he has done yet.

Panjandrum · « **Reply #4 on:** November 25, 2014, 01:06:07 PM »

Quote from: pvegs on November 25, 2014, 10:55:06 AM

Tre is looking very DITR

I'm really pleased with Harris, Harris, and Hurt thus far. Good class.

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 25, 2014, 01:25:33 PM »

Quote from: Panjandrum on November 25, 2014, 01:06:07 PM

Quote from: pvegs on November 25, 2014, 10:55:06 AM
Tre is looking very DITR

I'm really pleased with Harris, Harris, and Hurt thus far. Good class.

Watching Gill-Caesar I was pretty upset we didn't land him, but I'm not sure who I would have gotten rid of from our class to get him.

pvegs · « **Reply #6 on:** November 25, 2014, 01:25:50 PM »

Quote from: Panjandrum on November 25, 2014, 01:06:07 PM

Quote from: pvegs on November 25, 2014, 10:55:06 AM
Tre is looking very DITR

I'm really pleased with Harris, Harris, and Hurt thus far. Good class.

With Tre I think we knew he could shoot, but I've been surprised how comfortable he looks with the motion offense. Better handle and defense could make him pretty legit down the road.

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #7 on:** November 25, 2014, 01:31:04 PM »

Edwards is really struggling with getting in an offensive rhythm. I don't think he has taken a lot of good shots. He got to be hunting for straight line drives.

Jevon and Malek also don't have a scoring rhythm. Nigel needs to attack the interior of the defense more.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #8 on:** November 25, 2014, 01:43:59 PM »

Quote from: pvegs on November 25, 2014, 01:25:50 PM

Quote from: Panjandrum on November 25, 2014, 01:06:07 PM
Quote from: pvegs on November 25, 2014, 10:55:06 AM
Tre is looking very DITR

I'm really pleased with Harris, Harris, and Hurt thus far. Good class.

With Tre I think we knew he could shoot, but I've been surprised how comfortable he looks with the motion offense. Better handle and defense could make him pretty legit down the road.

My issue was this; I've heard for years that K-State was recruiting a "shooter", going back to guys like Adam Lopez. None of them ever seemed to turn into really good shooters. There were some okay ones, but it seems like we never had a great shooter that was listed as a shooter when we recruited him. Again, it is WAY early in his career, but I suppose I expected Harris to be another one of these guys that just turned out to be a decent shooter and hit around 1/3 of his 3s, but he looks to be better than that.

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 25, 2014, 01:46:19 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on November 25, 2014, 01:43:59 PM

Quote from: pvegs on November 25, 2014, 01:25:50 PM
Quote from: Panjandrum on November 25, 2014, 01:06:07 PM
Quote from: pvegs on November 25, 2014, 10:55:06 AM
Tre is looking very DITR

I'm really pleased with Harris, Harris, and Hurt thus far. Good class.

With Tre I think we knew he could shoot, but I've been surprised how comfortable he looks with the motion offense. Better handle and defense could make him pretty legit down the road.

My issue was this; I've heard for years that K-State was recruiting a "shooter", going back to guys like Adam Lopez. None of them ever seemed to turn into really good shooters. There were some okay ones, but it seems like we never had a great shooter that was listed as a shooter when we recruited him. Again, it is WAY early in his career, but I suppose I expected Harris to be another one of these guys that just turned out to be a decent shooter and hit around 1/3 of his 3s, but he looks to be better than that.

He hasn't shot less than 50% from 3 in a game yet, which is making my hopes skyrocket. I also heard he had a 3-4 day stint in practice where he shot about 90% from 3.

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #10 on:** November 25, 2014, 01:54:16 PM »

Tre's length is big for him, makes up for not having above average athleticism. When you watched game film of Tre in prep school you knew he was an elite shooter. He was shooting a very high percentage and his teammates did a terrible job of getting him good looks.

Skipper44 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 25, 2014, 02:03:01 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on November 25, 2014, 01:43:59 PM

Quote from: pvegs on November 25, 2014, 01:25:50 PM
Quote from: Panjandrum on November 25, 2014, 01:06:07 PM
Quote from: pvegs on November 25, 2014, 10:55:06 AM
Tre is looking very DITR

I'm really pleased with Harris, Harris, and Hurt thus far. Good class.

With Tre I think we knew he could shoot, but I've been surprised how comfortable he looks with the motion offense. Better handle and defense could make him pretty legit down the road.

My issue was this; I've heard for years that K-State was recruiting a "shooter", going back to guys like Adam Lopez. None of them ever seemed to turn into really good shooters. There were some okay ones, but it seems like we never had a great shooter that was listed as a shooter when we recruited him. Again, it is WAY early in his career, but I suppose I expected Harris to be another one of these guys that just turned out to be a decent shooter and hit around 1/3 of his 3s, but he looks to be better than that.

Tre is the first one with size, maybe the first "shooter" recruit over 6-3 since Lance? Lance was significantly better athlete than Tre.

Tre really reminds me of Gilson De Jesus - longish, close to the floor set shooter. I don't care if he ever develops any game off the dribble, having a guy that knows his role and is confident in what he does is great.

Mr Bread · « **Reply #12 on:** November 25, 2014, 02:08:36 PM »

He moves better than I was led to believe reading this blog previously.

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #13 on:** November 25, 2014, 02:13:23 PM »

He also put on 20 pounds of muscle last year at prep school. Really paying off.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #14 on:** November 25, 2014, 02:16:37 PM »

Quote from: Skipper44 on November 25, 2014, 02:03:01 PM

Tre really reminds me of Gilson De Jesus - longish, close to the floor set shooter. I don't care if he ever develops any game off the dribble, having a guy that knows his role and is confident in what he does is great.

That's probably a decent comparison.

K-State basketball just has not been filled with great shooters.

ChiComCat · « **Reply #15 on:** November 25, 2014, 03:06:13 PM »

Wow, 96-97 was awful.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 25, 2014, 03:49:15 PM »

Cartier Martin. Complete stud.

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 25, 2014, 04:13:42 PM »

Shane Southwell had our best season 3pt% since 1990?

pvegs · « **Reply #18 on:** November 25, 2014, 05:10:09 PM »

Quote from: Stevesie60 on November 25, 2014, 04:13:42 PM

Shane Southwell had our best season 3pt% since 1990?

Does anyone remember that Phog post where someone said Southwell had the weirdest career trajectory of any Big 12 player? it was something like:

Fr: Terrible from 3, don't guard
Soph: Terrible from 3, don't guard,
Jr: Best 3 pt shooter in league
Sr: Terrible from 3, don't guard

kslim · « **Reply #19 on:** November 26, 2014, 12:04:27 PM »

Quote from: pvegs on November 25, 2014, 05:10:09 PM

Quote from: Stevesie60 on November 25, 2014, 04:13:42 PM
Shane Southwell had our best season 3pt% since 1990?

Does anyone remember that Phog post where someone said Southwell had the weirdest career trajectory of any Big 12 player? it was something like:

Fr: Terrible from 3, don't guard
Soph: Terrible from 3, don't guard,
Jr: Best 3 pt shooter in league
Sr: Terrible from 3, don't guard

you could have done this game by game with jamar

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #20 on:** November 26, 2014, 01:06:44 PM »

Quote from: pvegs on November 25, 2014, 05:10:09 PM

Quote from: Stevesie60 on November 25, 2014, 04:13:42 PM
Shane Southwell had our best season 3pt% since 1990?

Does anyone remember that Phog post where someone said Southwell had the weirdest career trajectory of any Big 12 player? it was something like:

Fr: Terrible from 3, don't guard
Soph: Terrible from 3, don't guard,
Jr: Best 3 pt shooter in league
Sr: Terrible from 3, don't guard

Shane was never a bad defender.

michigancat · « **Reply #21 on:** November 29, 2014, 11:37:12 PM »

Quote from: Mixed-Nutz on November 26, 2014, 01:06:44 PM

Quote from: pvegs on November 25, 2014, 05:10:09 PM
Quote from: Stevesie60 on November 25, 2014, 04:13:42 PM
Shane Southwell had our best season 3pt% since 1990?

Does anyone remember that Phog post where someone said Southwell had the weirdest career trajectory of any Big 12 player? it was something like:

Fr: Terrible from 3, don't guard
Soph: Terrible from 3, don't guard,
Jr: Best 3 pt shooter in league
Sr: Terrible from 3, don't guard
Shane was never a bad defender.

They're saying you wouldn't need to guard him when you were defending him.

sys · « **Reply #22 on:** November 30, 2014, 03:39:42 AM »

holy eff, will scott was a good shooter. and that 87-88 team is just ridiculous. three guys shooting right at 50% from three, that's insane.

maybe because the three-point line was so new, it didn't seem like a big deal at the time. that plus the volumes weren't what they'd be today. or maybe it's just so long ago, i don't remember the big deal that it was. but imagine that today. no one doing their games or analyzing them would be able to talk about anything else.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #23 on:** December 04, 2014, 09:02:50 AM »

kso_FAN · « **Reply #24 on:** December 10, 2014, 10:16:32 AM »

The overall numbers are important for the season, but a major point of discussion has been improvement. IMHO the per 100s give us the truest picture of improvement and we can see there are some guys who have significantly dropped off so far this year.

Jevon, Nigel, and Nino are mostly better players, but that hasn't offset the losses from Will and Shane or the regression of Gip and Westicles. The good thing is newcomers have somewhat offset the issues with rebounding, but turnovers and lack of scoring really stand out as I look at the charts, despite the improved shooting from this team.