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...and hauled you off.”

- Senator Jay Rockafellar (D- W.Va.) referring to reading the CIA Torture Report in to the Congressional record

Obama is every bit as culpable in the torture regime if those who participated it are not exposed and brought to justice.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/20/cia-torture-white-house_n_6195032.html


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Re: “The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2014, 03:55:57 PM »
We're far too busy harassing, impoverishing, abusing and murdering our own citizens in the neo-totalitarian Obama police state for your stupid crusade to imprison Dick Cheney for torturing terrorists.
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The simple fact is, the all the stuff that Dems supposedly hated . . . just kept right on going after Obama was elected.

This is true. And disappointing.
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Re: “The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2014, 05:21:25 PM »
I'm glad we're still using torture to extract intelligence (like what helped us get OBL), and I'm also glad that libtards realize how hypocritical the Dems are on this ('cause, when you get elected, you actually have a stake in preventing terrorist attacks and have to behave like a grownup). It's a win win!  :cheers:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: “The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2014, 05:25:58 PM »
I'm glad we're still using torture to extract intelligence (like what helped us get OBL), and I'm also glad that libtards realize how hypocritical the Dems are on this ('cause, when you get elected, you actually have a stake in preventing terrorist attacks and have to behave like a grownup). It's a win win!  :cheers:


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I'm glad we're still using torture to extract intelligence (like what helped us get OBL), and I'm also glad that libtards realize how hypocritical the Dems are on this ('cause, when you get elected, you actually have a stake in preventing terrorist attacks and have to behave like a grownup). It's a win win!  :cheers:

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I'm glad we're still using torture to extract intelligence (like what helped us get OBL), and I'm also glad that libtards realize how hypocritical the Dems are on this ('cause, when you get elected, you actually have a stake in preventing terrorist attacks and have to behave like a grownup). It's a win win!  :cheers:

You hate the rule of law and prefer tyranny to the republic.

Against non-Americans, the more tyranny the better. :yum:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: “The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2014, 07:21:45 PM »
I'm glad we're still using torture to extract intelligence (like what helped us get OBL), and I'm also glad that libtards realize how hypocritical the Dems are on this ('cause, when you get elected, you actually have a stake in preventing terrorist attacks and have to behave like a grownup). It's a win win!  :cheers:


Link?

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/panetta-torture-bin-laden/2013/02/04/id/488677/

It is undeniable that leads obtained from waterboarding and other "torture" assisted in locating OBL. The best the PC apologists can claim is "well, we could have caught him anyway without those leads." Pure speculation.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: “The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2014, 07:29:23 PM »
I'm glad we're still using torture to extract intelligence (like what helped us get OBL), and I'm also glad that libtards realize how hypocritical the Dems are on this ('cause, when you get elected, you actually have a stake in preventing terrorist attacks and have to behave like a grownup). It's a win win!  :cheers:


Link?

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/panetta-torture-bin-laden/2013/02/04/id/488677/

It is undeniable that leads obtained from waterboarding and other "torture" assisted in locating OBL. The best the PC apologists can claim is "well, we could have caught him anyway without those leads." Pure speculation.

I think that is the wrong link.  It has the CIA director on record as saying they would have found him without torture and the lead that the bottom part of the article references was 7 years prior to the killing of OBL.
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Re: “The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2014, 10:47:40 AM »
Droning suspected terrorists and everyone within 200 yards = acceptable war strategy
Pouring water on suspected terrorists heads = criminal

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Re: “The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2014, 12:26:41 PM »
I'm glad we're still using torture to extract intelligence (like what helped us get OBL), and I'm also glad that libtards realize how hypocritical the Dems are on this ('cause, when you get elected, you actually have a stake in preventing terrorist attacks and have to behave like a grownup). It's a win win!  :cheers:


Link?

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/panetta-torture-bin-laden/2013/02/04/id/488677/

It is undeniable that leads obtained from waterboarding and other "torture" assisted in locating OBL. The best the PC apologists can claim is "well, we could have caught him anyway without those leads." Pure speculation.

I think that is the wrong link.  It has the CIA director on record as saying they would have found him without torture and the lead that the bottom part of the article references was 7 years prior to the killing of OBL.

That's what I said. (1) It is undeniable that leads from enhanced interrogation helped us find OBL (and who knows what else) and (2) the "official" apologist line is that "well, yeah, but we probably would have gotten him anyway."

There's a reason even libtards like Obama keep doing this in secret - it works.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: “The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2014, 11:38:34 PM »
Droning suspected terrorists and everyone within 200 yards = acceptable war strategy
Pouring water on suspected terrorists heads = criminal

Hi, I'm a libtard, and I have a perverted obsession with the bush administration
Here's a crazy thought: How about we do neither of those things?


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Re: “The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2014, 12:25:17 AM »
I think we've learened from this thread that both the Obama administration and certain people on this BBS are just awful awful people.

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I'm glad we're still using torture to extract intelligence (like what helped us get OBL), and I'm also glad that libtards realize how hypocritical the Dems are on this ('cause, when you get elected, you actually have a stake in preventing terrorist attacks and have to behave like a grownup). It's a win win!  :cheers:

You hate the rule of law and prefer tyranny to the republic.




Against non-Americans, the more tyranny the better. :yum:

So youre fine if American Soldiers are tortured the same way by enemy combatants, why the heck did we execute all those Japanese leaders after WW2 then?

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Re: “The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2014, 11:10:22 AM »
Droning suspected terrorists and everyone within 200 yards = acceptable war strategy
Pouring water on suspected terrorists heads = criminal

Hi, I'm a libtard, and I have a perverted obsession with the bush administration
Here's a crazy thought: How about we do neither of those things?

That probably is crazy, but it wouldn't bother me.
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I'm glad we're still using torture to extract intelligence (like what helped us get OBL), and I'm also glad that libtards realize how hypocritical the Dems are on this ('cause, when you get elected, you actually have a stake in preventing terrorist attacks and have to behave like a grownup). It's a win win!  :cheers:

You hate the rule of law and prefer tyranny to the republic.




Against non-Americans, the more tyranny the better. :yum:

So youre fine if American Soldiers are tortured the same way by enemy combatants, why the heck did we execute all those Japanese leaders after WW2 then?

First, I'm not "fine" with it - that's why we hunt them down and kill them. Second, even if we banned all "torture" - your apparent belief that these thugs would extend us the same courtesy is laughable. Third, your attempt to draw an equivalency between the "torture" we engage in - waterboarding, sleep deprivation, stress positions, etc. - and the real attrocities committed by terrorists, the WWII Japanese, etc., is also laughable. In summary, your statement is completely ridiculous on multiple levels.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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I'm glad we're still using torture to extract intelligence (like what helped us get OBL), and I'm also glad that libtards realize how hypocritical the Dems are on this ('cause, when you get elected, you actually have a stake in preventing terrorist attacks and have to behave like a grownup). It's a win win!  :cheers:

You hate the rule of law and prefer tyranny to the republic.




Against non-Americans, the more tyranny the better. :yum:

So youre fine if American Soldiers are tortured the same way by enemy combatants, why the heck did we execute all those Japanese leaders after WW2 then?

First, I'm not "fine" with it - that's why we hunt them down and kill them. Second, even if we banned all "torture" - your apparent belief that these thugs would extend us the same courtesy is laughable. Third, your attempt to draw an equivalency between the "torture" we engage in - waterboarding, sleep deprivation, stress positions, etc. - and the real attrocities committed by terrorists, the WWII Japanese, etc., is also laughable. In summary, your statement is completely ridiculous on multiple levels.

Ill agree the equivalency isnt there, but youre fine with Americans getting waterboarded, sleep deprived, and everything else? I do think someone has to take a moral stand for human dignity why not the supposed greatest country in the world?

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Re: “The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2014, 11:56:07 AM »
I'm glad we're still using torture to extract intelligence (like what helped us get OBL), and I'm also glad that libtards realize how hypocritical the Dems are on this ('cause, when you get elected, you actually have a stake in preventing terrorist attacks and have to behave like a grownup). It's a win win!  :cheers:


Link?

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/panetta-torture-bin-laden/2013/02/04/id/488677/

It is undeniable that leads obtained from waterboarding and other "torture" assisted in locating OBL. The best the PC apologists can claim is "well, we could have caught him anyway without those leads." Pure speculation.

I think that is the wrong link.  It has the CIA director on record as saying they would have found him without torture and the lead that the bottom part of the article references was 7 years prior to the killing of OBL.

That's what I said. (1) It is undeniable that leads from enhanced interrogation helped us find OBL (and who knows what else) and (2) the "official" apologist line is that "well, yeah, but we probably would have gotten him anyway."

There's a reason even libtards like Obama keep doing this in secret - it works.
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You people just can't handle the fact the best intelligence, the most actionable information, came from real intelligence work, not doing weird crap to people like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.  Sorry you and Sean Hannity can't jerk off to "pouring water on suspected terrorists (sic) heads."
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Droning suspected terrorists and everyone within 200 yards = acceptable war strategy
Pouring water on suspected terrorists heads = criminal

Hi, I'm a libtard, and I have a perverted obsession with the bush administration
Here's a crazy thought: How about we do neither of those things?
yes, both of the things fsd mentioned are deplorable

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I'm glad we're still using torture to extract intelligence (like what helped us get OBL), and I'm also glad that libtards realize how hypocritical the Dems are on this ('cause, when you get elected, you actually have a stake in preventing terrorist attacks and have to behave like a grownup). It's a win win!  :cheers:

You hate the rule of law and prefer tyranny to the republic.




Against non-Americans, the more tyranny the better. :yum:

So youre fine if American Soldiers are tortured the same way by enemy combatants, why the heck did we execute all those Japanese leaders after WW2 then?

First, I'm not "fine" with it - that's why we hunt them down and kill them. Second, even if we banned all "torture" - your apparent belief that these thugs would extend us the same courtesy is laughable. Third, your attempt to draw an equivalency between the "torture" we engage in - waterboarding, sleep deprivation, stress positions, etc. - and the real attrocities committed by terrorists, the WWII Japanese, etc., is also laughable. In summary, your statement is completely ridiculous on multiple levels.

Ill agree the equivalency isnt there, but youre fine with Americans getting waterboarded, sleep deprived, and everything else?

You realize you just described Navy Seal training, right? Regardless, I didn't say I'm fine with it. See above. But if, in your fantasy land, we could somehow limit terrorists to the same methods of "torture" we use, that would be a nice improvement.
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Re: “The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2014, 11:08:21 PM »
The simple fact is, the all the stuff that Dems supposedly hated . . . just kept right on going after Obama was elected.

Repubs and Dems guilty of the same crimes? I am shocked.

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Droning suspected terrorists and everyone within 200 yards = acceptable war strategy
Pouring water on suspected terrorists heads = criminal

Hi, I'm a libtard, and I have a perverted obsession with the bush administration
Here's a crazy thought: How about we do neither of those things?
yes, both of the things fsd mentioned are deplorable

I think you meant "all three", not both
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: “The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2014, 02:31:41 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-waterboardings-role-in-identifying-a-terrorist/2014/12/08/40bc2578-7ee2-11e4-81fd-8c4814dfa9d7_story.html

It really is something how everyone involved in the torture of prisoners under U.S. authority has come out strongly against the report detailing how they tortured people.

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Re: “The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2014, 02:37:24 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-waterboardings-role-in-identifying-a-terrorist/2014/12/08/40bc2578-7ee2-11e4-81fd-8c4814dfa9d7_story.html

It really is something how everyone involved in the torture of prisoners under U.S. authority has come out strongly against the report detailing how they tortured people.

You're entitled to your own opinions, KK, but not your own facts. If you want to argue that waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation may be effective, but is still morally wrong, go right ahead.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.