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« Reply #125 on: July 16, 2014, 02:54:24 PM »
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« Reply #126 on: July 16, 2014, 02:55:52 PM »
Is there any doubt left that K-S-U is a terrible human?

Disagreeing on political issues doesn't make him a terrible human. I think he's being cold and partisan, but we all do that sometimes.

I'll concede that Republicans blew a golden opportunity to pass real immigration reform in the early 2000s when they controlled the WH and Congress. Does that make me less partisan? I'm still right that demanding real border security as a precondition is perfectly reasonable, and the Democrat's refusal to agree to it is the reason for the current impass.

As for "cold," I recognize that these are children and they need to be treated humanely, but we can do that by returning them to their families. This uncontrolled influx of illegal immigration is not good for America.
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« Reply #127 on: July 16, 2014, 02:57:23 PM »
Is there any doubt left that K-S-U is a terrible human?

Disagreeing on political issues doesn't make him a terrible human. I think he's being cold and partisan, but we all do that sometimes.

I'll concede that Republicans blew a golden opportunity to pass real immigration reform in the early 2000s when they controlled the WH and Congress. Does that make me less partisan? I'm still right that demanding real border security as a precondition is perfectly reasonable, and the Democrat's refusal to agree to it is the reason for the current impass.

As for "cold," I recognize that these are children and they need to be treated humanely, but we can do that by returning them to their families. This uncontrolled influx of illegal immigration is not good for America.

What would you like to see out of immigration reform? What should the standard for entry be?

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« Reply #128 on: July 16, 2014, 02:59:28 PM »
Is there any doubt left that K-S-U is a terrible human?

Disagreeing on political issues doesn't make him a terrible human. I think he's being cold and partisan, but we all do that sometimes.

No, he's a terrible human.

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« Reply #129 on: July 16, 2014, 02:59:55 PM »
maybe none of this is about immigration. 

maybe the US is creating a false conflict to put an end to the China-Nicaragua canal project

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« Reply #130 on: July 16, 2014, 03:01:00 PM »
I'd rather spend whatever K-S-U wants to spend on "border security" on feeding and educating these kids instead. We'd probably have enough left over to bring in a lot more, which would be great for humanity.

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« Reply #131 on: July 16, 2014, 03:06:27 PM »
I'd rather spend whatever K-S-U wants to spend on "border security" on feeding and educating these kids instead. We'd probably have enough left over to bring in a lot more, which would be great for humanity.

Great idea. How many more do you think we should take? Maybe an even million? Two million? Ten? At what point does a country that's already 18 trillion in debt, and adding a trillion per year, say "eff, we can't afford this"?
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« Reply #132 on: July 16, 2014, 03:13:14 PM »
Is there any doubt left that K-S-U is a terrible human?

Disagreeing on political issues doesn't make him a terrible human. I think he's being cold and partisan, but we all do that sometimes.

I'll concede that Republicans blew a golden opportunity to pass real immigration reform in the early 2000s when they controlled the WH and Congress. Does that make me less partisan? I'm still right that demanding real border security as a precondition is perfectly reasonable, and the Democrat's refusal to agree to it is the reason for the current impass.

As for "cold," I recognize that these are children and they need to be treated humanely, but we can do that by returning them to their families. This uncontrolled influx of illegal immigration is not good for America.

As posted above, they are being processed how our law states they need to be processed.  The mass quantity of kids is why the extra funding is needed, to process that number of kids as legislated.  If you want them immediately dumped south of the border the same day they are picked up, write your congress rep and ask them to stop being such babies on the non-negotiable stances and get something passed as far as immigration goes.

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« Reply #133 on: July 16, 2014, 03:19:19 PM »
Is there any doubt left that K-S-U is a terrible human?

Disagreeing on political issues doesn't make him a terrible human. I think he's being cold and partisan, but we all do that sometimes.

I'll concede that Republicans blew a golden opportunity to pass real immigration reform in the early 2000s when they controlled the WH and Congress. Does that make me less partisan? I'm still right that demanding real border security as a precondition is perfectly reasonable, and the Democrat's refusal to agree to it is the reason for the current impass.

As for "cold," I recognize that these are children and they need to be treated humanely, but we can do that by returning them to their families. This uncontrolled influx of illegal immigration is not good for America.

What would you like to see out of immigration reform? What should the standard for entry be?

Step 1: Seal the border to illegal immigration with a combination of drone surveillance, beefed up border security, and no release between aprehension and deportation.

Step 2: Require implementation of national e-verify system, with steeper consequencies for hiring illigal immigrants.

Step 3: Pass law reversing birthright citizenship (yes, it likely can be done by statute as opposed to Consitutional amendment).

Step 4: Issue guest worker permits, five years in length, renewable up to 10 years, to immigrants (both those that are presently here illegally and those that wish to immigrate to the U.S., upon completion of background check (no felonies) and payment of fee. Fees are allocated between the federal government (to pay for Steps 1, 2, and 3) and the states (to pay for social services, etc.)

Step 5: Expand U.S. Citizenship eligibility, but shift preference to higher skilled workers (reversing the Kennedy trend). The line for U.S. Citizenship starts at the border. Guest workers who were formerly illegal immigrants are not eligible until they return home.
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« Reply #134 on: July 16, 2014, 03:25:49 PM »
steps 2-5 make step 1 irrelevant and unnecessary.  it would be nothing more than a waste of money.
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« Reply #135 on: July 16, 2014, 03:29:06 PM »
wouldn't it just be easier/cheaper to carpet bomb the border with napalm (surely we have some of that laying around from 'nam) daily at random intervals?
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« Reply #136 on: July 16, 2014, 03:30:38 PM »
I'd rather spend whatever K-S-U wants to spend on "border security" on feeding and educating these kids instead. We'd probably have enough left over to bring in a lot more, which would be great for humanity.

Great idea. How many more do you think we should take? Maybe an even million? Two million? Ten? At what point does a country that's already 18 trillion in debt, and adding a trillion per year, say "eff, we can't afford this"?

How much are you willing to spend on border security?

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« Reply #137 on: July 16, 2014, 03:32:12 PM »
steps 2-5 make step 1 irrelevant and unnecessary.  it would be nothing more than a waste of money.

Step 1 is definitely necessary. Even if Step 2 were to halt all illegal immigration for jobs (and it won't), it still doesn't solve the problem of drug trafficking and other illegal activity. The border must be surveilled and secured.
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« Reply #138 on: July 16, 2014, 03:32:58 PM »
I'd rather spend whatever K-S-U wants to spend on "border security" on feeding and educating these kids instead. We'd probably have enough left over to bring in a lot more, which would be great for humanity.

Great idea. How many more do you think we should take? Maybe an even million? Two million? Ten? At what point does a country that's already 18 trillion in debt, and adding a trillion per year, say "eff, we can't afford this"?

How much are you willing to spend on border security?

Plenty, especially is we ultimately pay for at least some of it with a guest worker program. See my 5 Step Program.
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« Reply #139 on: July 16, 2014, 03:37:39 PM »
Would be more cost effective to convince MX to build a wall at their south border and beef up their southern border security.  We could go halvesies on it and come out ahead. 

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« Reply #140 on: July 16, 2014, 03:42:08 PM »
steps 2-5 make step 1 irrelevant and unnecessary.  it would be nothing more than a waste of money.

Step 1 is definitely necessary. Even if Step 2 were to halt all illegal immigration for jobs (and it won't), it still doesn't solve the problem of drug trafficking and other illegal activity. The border must be surveilled and secured.

you can hunt drug smugglers without prohibiting the free ingress and egress of people.  indeed, it is lunacy to suggest that the focus on preventing the latter does not make the former more difficult.

black market labor is a very minor problem in the united states, the vast majority of illegal immigrants work within the taxed, regulated job market.  of course there would be some percentage of black market labor available to illegal immigrants, but it would not be a percentage that is nationally significant.

your last sentence is entirely unsupported by logic or fact.  it is mere dogma.
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« Reply #141 on: July 16, 2014, 03:44:08 PM »
I participated in black market labor for basically all of HS and College.  I was paid cash wages, friends.

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« Reply #142 on: July 16, 2014, 03:45:52 PM »
I participated in black market labor for basically all of HS and College.  I was paid cash wages, friends.

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We should have stiffer penalties for the employers who do this. Annual audits if caught and such.

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« Reply #143 on: July 16, 2014, 10:59:04 PM »
steps 2-5 make step 1 irrelevant and unnecessary.  it would be nothing more than a waste of money.

Step 1 is definitely necessary. Even if Step 2 were to halt all illegal immigration for jobs (and it won't), it still doesn't solve the problem of drug trafficking and other illegal activity. The border must be surveilled and secured.

you can hunt drug smugglers without prohibiting the free ingress and egress of people.  indeed, it is lunacy to suggest that the focus on preventing the latter does not make the former more difficult.

black market labor is a very minor problem in the united states, the vast majority of illegal immigrants work within the taxed, regulated job market.  of course there would be some percentage of black market labor available to illegal immigrants, but it would not be a percentage that is nationally significant.

your last sentence is entirely unsupported by logic or fact.  it is mere dogma.

Do they illegally use other people's SSN?

That's not kosher.

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« Reply #144 on: July 16, 2014, 11:02:05 PM »
Is there any doubt left that K-S-U is a terrible human?

Disagreeing on political issues doesn't make him a terrible human. I think he's being cold and partisan, but we all do that sometimes.

No, he's a terrible human.

I don't have the GE creds to really judge but KSU should probably head to GPC.  He'll be greeted with open arms over there.

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« Reply #145 on: July 16, 2014, 11:06:18 PM »
I disagree.  Thats a diff level.  Reason and logic dont exist there.  Just crazy and militant.   

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« Reply #146 on: July 16, 2014, 11:45:15 PM »
Do they illegally use other people's SSN?

i'm not terribly up to date on the laws regarding ssn's; i don't know what is illegal and what isn't.  most illegals have false documents of some sort.
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« Reply #147 on: July 17, 2014, 12:16:08 AM »
Are these kids considered illegal immigrants, refugees or both? Something in between? It makes a difference. These kids are different from run-of-the-mill illegal-immigrants.
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« Reply #148 on: July 17, 2014, 08:31:52 AM »
Build a wall. Keep them out. Secure the border. End of story.

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« Reply #149 on: July 17, 2014, 08:32:57 AM »
Are these kids considered illegal immigrants, refugees or both? Something in between? It makes a difference. These kids are different from run-of-the-mill illegal-immigrants.

Why would they be considered refugees? They're coming for the exact same reason they've been coming for decades - poverty - not war or genocide. They're telling the border agents that the reason they're coming now is because they believe they'll get amnesty.
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