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Re: Trump. Replace food stamps with food boxes. Very smart.
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2018, 08:07:35 AM »
It's still free food, guys. Beggars can't be choosers.

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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2018, 08:13:23 AM »
It seems like it would be a lot of added costs just to be able to dictate what kind of food poor people eat.

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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2018, 08:17:52 AM »
It seems like it would be a lot of added costs just to be able to dictate what kind of food poor people eat.

They are claiming it will cut costs in half.

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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2018, 08:19:04 AM »
It seems like it would be a lot of added costs just to be able to dictate what kind of food poor people eat.

They are claiming it will cut costs in half.

"The logistics of the proposal were also unclear"

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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2018, 08:38:57 AM »
If you have an EBT card, your SNAP benefits are loaded on the EBT card, so there is no distinction between EBT and SNAP anymore.

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« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2018, 08:39:56 AM »
On the grand continuum of punishing poor people this is not as bad as limiting withdrawals and charging big ATM fees like Kansas did or forcing people to go in to an office fill out paperwork every single month to try to get them to drop their Medicaid coverage, but it just underlines how little care their is for poor children who are by far the largest recipients of this benefit.

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« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2018, 08:41:04 AM »
I could be talked into this if the logistics were clear
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« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2018, 08:50:08 AM »
In this scenario I’m not sure why limiting choices is viewed as a bad thing.

unencumbered cash is the most efficient means of transfer.  anything else merely discounts the value to the recipient of the amount transferred from the public.
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« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2018, 08:56:28 AM »
In this scenario I’m not sure why limiting choices is viewed as a bad thing.

unencumbered cash is the most efficient means of transfer.  anything else merely discounts the value to the recipient of the amount transferred from the public.

I follow the general reasoning, but my expectation is that assuming the government acquired favorable contracts to obtain certain items in bulk it could get them significantly cheaper than any individual person could, thus lowering the cost of purchase.  Obviously administrative costs would go up, but even if you broke even in that scenario you end up with a program that (1) makes it easier on the recipient (don't have to go out shopping for basic items); and (2) is nutritionally balanced, which allows us to at least do SOMETHING to counteract the obesity epidemic.

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« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2018, 08:58:03 AM »
No way big food corps let this happen
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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2018, 09:39:43 AM »
I follow the general reasoning, but my expectation is that assuming the government acquired favorable contracts to obtain certain items in bulk it could get them significantly cheaper than any individual person could, thus lowering the cost of purchase.  Obviously administrative costs would go up, but even if you broke even in that scenario you end up with a program that (1) makes it easier on the recipient (don't have to go out shopping for basic items); and (2) is nutritionally balanced, which allows us to at least do SOMETHING to counteract the obesity epidemic.

grocery stores have profit margins of like 2% and purchasing and distributing food is basically the only thing they do.  there's not a chance in hell that the federal govt can improve upon their efficiency.  add in the govt disadvantage of paying people a living wage and the complication of trying to deliver the food and the idea is laughable.
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« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2018, 10:25:12 AM »
This seems like a real problem for the transient population. I mean, it probably could work fairly well for the people who live at NYCHA or something.  Though even there, the logistics issues of truckloads of food showing up at a place unequipped to handle such deliveries would be problematic. It has to be more expensive for the government to be doing/contracting out all of the S&H in this scenario.
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« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2018, 10:30:57 AM »
Couldn’t you just ship it to designated spots and let people come get it? 
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« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2018, 11:43:17 AM »
This seems like a real problem for the transient population. I mean, it probably could work fairly well for the people who live at NYCHA or something.  Though even there, the logistics issues of truckloads of food showing up at a place unequipped to handle such deliveries would be problematic. It has to be more expensive for the government to be doing/contracting out all of the S&H in this scenario.

Doesn't the USDA already ship food to every school district in America?

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« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2018, 11:46:51 AM »
this is a terrible idea

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« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2018, 11:48:21 AM »
this thread brings up a lot of reasons why this is pretty terrible

https://twitter.com/AnnieLowrey/status/963427645374517249


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« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2018, 11:49:44 AM »

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« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2018, 11:57:33 AM »
this thread brings up a lot of reasons why this is pretty terrible

https://twitter.com/AnnieLowrey/status/963427645374517249



I've done those food boxes and had a 3 box stretch where they were late or the food wasn't packaged properly and ruined.  Couldn't imagine if I relied on it to eat.

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Re: Trump. Replace food stamps with food boxes. Very smart.
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2018, 12:00:16 PM »
this is a terrible idea

it's one of the worst ideas yet to come out of the presidential awful idea factory that is well known for their awful ideas. it's also very LOLTrump.

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« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2018, 12:05:37 PM »
this thread brings up a lot of reasons why this is pretty terrible

https://twitter.com/AnnieLowrey/status/963427645374517249

Those are all solved by having the boxes at a common location (like a grocery store), and allowing different options/substitutions for allergies and religious preference.

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« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2018, 12:07:42 PM »
In this scenario I’m not sure why limiting choices is viewed as a bad thing.

unencumbered cash is the most efficient means of transfer.  anything else merely discounts the value to the recipient of the amount transferred from the public.

I don't understand why people have so much trouble with this concept

this thread brings up a lot of reasons why this is pretty terrible

https://twitter.com/AnnieLowrey/status/963427645374517249

Those are all solved by having the boxes at a common location (like a grocery store), and allowing different options/substitutions for allergies and religious preference.

also solved by letting people in need buy what they want/need, only my solution would take much less effort and cost less

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« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2018, 12:13:19 PM »
Quote from: michigancat
this thread brings up a lot of reasons why this is pretty terrible

https://twitter.com/AnnieLowrey/status/963427645374517249

Those are all solved by having the boxes at a common location (like a grocery store), and allowing different options/substitutions for allergies and religious preference.

also solved by letting people in need buy what they want/need, only my solution would take much less effort and cost less

I get the efficiency argument.  Obviously that debate isn't going anywhere until proposed logistics of the plan are explained.

That doesn't change the fact that the tweet you pasted makes really stupid points that you could just as easily try to argue with the current system.

1. What if you lose your card?
2. What if you're homeless?
3. What if the payment system is down?
4. What if the store doesn't stock the food you want?
5. What if the food you buy has bugs in it?

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« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2018, 12:13:58 PM »
it's a great solution to the problem of poor people having lives that are too pleasant and uncomplicated.
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« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2018, 12:58:57 PM »
Quote from: michigancat
this thread brings up a lot of reasons why this is pretty terrible

https://twitter.com/AnnieLowrey/status/963427645374517249

Those are all solved by having the boxes at a common location (like a grocery store), and allowing different options/substitutions for allergies and religious preference.

also solved by letting people in need buy what they want/need, only my solution would take much less effort and cost less

I get the efficiency argument.  Obviously that debate isn't going anywhere until proposed logistics of the plan are explained.

That doesn't change the fact that the tweet you pasted makes really stupid points that you could just as easily try to argue with the current system.

1. What if you lose your card?
2. What if you're homeless?
3. What if the payment system is down?
4. What if the store doesn't stock the food you want?
5. What if the food you buy has bugs in it?

are you serious?

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« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2018, 01:43:43 PM »
I guess I have believed the stories that you can get lobster and cigarettes with EBT and stamps so this seems appealing.  I must be wrong