Wait, the guy would make a gay shower cake, but not a gay wedding cake?
We may disagree on a lot of things in this thread but at least we can all hopefully agree that this cake guy is a complete dumbass.
it just goes against an incredibly strong held religious belief of his. i don't believe in god or religion or whatever and i am super pro gay marriage, but in a weird way i kind of admire the guy for having his opinion and not swaying on it. i guess i also just don't feel like it comes from a bad place with him. maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm weird too but i kind of think crap are were really going to force this guy to do this? the more i learned about the case and what actually happened etc the more i feel like i just want him to be able to run his business the way he sees fit and make the cakes he feels like he can as a human being. is he weird as hell for not being willing to make a halloween cake? sure. is not making gay wedding cakes a little insensitive to gay couples? sure. but i think it's also insensitive to force this guy by law to make them.
I get all that I just think he's pretty dumb guy who isn't very good at thinking logically.
I also think it's outrageous that you're ok with him given the slippery slope precedent it provides but I do not think you are a dumbass at all.
I'm not 100% Ok with it but I'm also not 100% ok with the other side either. I guess I could also say that I think it's outrageous that you're ok with the government forcing him to make the cake given the slippery slope precedent it provides. Should he have to make a devil worshipping cake? Should he have to make a kkk cake? Should he have to make a cake for a religion he doesn't agree with or a cake celebrating the holocaust or 9/11. What if he's a broncos fan and hates the raiders and a raider fan wants him to make a cake if a raider pissing on a bronco? Does he have to do that?
I'm going to try one last time to respond to your hypotheticals because you have yet to respond to mine, but here goes:
It is
EASY to draw a line between being asked to do something you
DO NOT DO and something that you do for some people but not others. That is what is going on here. The couple never discussed specific designs, so the question presented to the Supreme Court is whether the baker should be able to create a wedding cake for straight couples but not create the SAME CAKE for others.
It is
NOT EASY to draw a line between what a person
INTENDS TO DO with the product you create. Presumably if the gay couple said "actually, this was for a straight wedding, not ours" you could have a situation where the baker says, "I don't believe you, I'm not doing it because I think you are going to use it in your wedding."