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Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« on: November 10, 2014, 09:27:47 AM »


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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2014, 09:51:20 AM »
There is a lot of money to be made by allowing a fastlane fee be charged to both consumer and program provider(netflix).  The lobby for this will make it happen. 

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2014, 09:52:40 AM »
Will that money create value though?  I mean, what work is someone doing to make that possible?

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2014, 09:57:28 AM »
It will give the cable companies (really big companies) the ability to charge you and I more and to charge the program providers more as well.  So, that seems like a pretty good place to start

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2014, 10:02:10 AM »
Well so let's liken the internet to a big pipe of water.  Right now data is just flowing through and regardless of source or destination it flows just the same.  So some companies want to charge more to prioritize your data.  If that happens and revenue is generated, is it use to make the internet faster via investment and upgrades?  Or do they just split the big pipe up into a bunch of smaller pipes and valve down the ones that won't pay?

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2014, 10:06:05 AM »
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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2014, 10:11:31 AM »
Google has been railing on our country for like 5-6 years now saying that the country isn't doing enough to move forward as far as infrastructure or technology, development wise, to move the internet speed and volume forward.  Accused us of resting on our laurels. 

The infrastructure allows them an excuse to create a premium.

The pipe stays big until it hits your cable provider.  They then cut it down to a variety of sized pipes, put some butter fly valves on said various sized pipes, then charge program providers for which pipe they want and how open they want that butter fly valve to be.  Then they pass the cost to you. 

Making a bigger pipe only makes sense to them if they have more customers if this whole thing passes.   

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2014, 10:13:48 AM »
Our cost of service from the cable providers will go up and our subscription fees to the program providers will go up.

Another big issue is it will start a huge barrier to entry for competing program providers. 

The internet is a big place for innovation.  This is going to make that pretty tough compared to what it is now.

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2014, 10:18:24 AM »
Sounds like communist internet to me

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2014, 10:20:01 AM »
Could kill the stock trading based on latency?

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2014, 10:35:43 AM »
Maybe not if you and other online traders pay your service provider to upgrade to a faster internet package.   :dunno:

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2014, 10:49:44 AM »
Ya actually it would probably become more prevalent.

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2014, 10:54:06 AM »
Quote from:  ted cruz tweet
"Net Neutrality" is Obamacare for the Internet; the Internet should not operate at the speed of government.

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2014, 10:55:02 AM »
Quote from:  ted cruz tweet
"Net Neutrality" is Obamacare for the Internet; the Internet should not operate at the speed of government.

 :flush:

Holy crap.

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2014, 10:58:28 AM »
Ya actually it would probably become more prevalent.
No. Traders already run their own fiber. This wouldn't have an impact.
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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2014, 10:59:48 AM »
Ted Cruze is a conservative hero.  This whole thing is going to be Ted Cruze and his ilk making sure that your netflix runs fast and ppl are going to want it, since they want fast netflix. 

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2014, 11:00:43 AM »
Ya actually it would probably become more prevalent.
No. Traders already run their own fiber. This wouldn't have an impact.

Across the ocean?  Link?

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2014, 11:02:31 AM »
Quote from:  ted cruz tweet
"Net Neutrality" is Obamacare for the Internet; the Internet should not operate at the speed of government.

 :flush:

Holy crap.

yeah, he has already got someone paying him to push for this.

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2014, 11:04:25 AM »
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This is a dangerous idea because Cruz is one of the most powerful people in Congress. He's on the Subcommittee on Communications, Technology, and the internet.

Any chance he gets Huelskamp'd?

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2014, 11:07:02 AM »
Ya actually it would probably become more prevalent.
No. Traders already run their own fiber. This wouldn't have an impact.

Across the ocean?  Link?
www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-29/cable-across-atlantic-aims-to-save-traders-milliseconds.html

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2014, 11:33:27 AM »
Can someone succinctly explain why "net neutrality" is a good thing? Without knowing anything else about it, the name alone sounds very Orwellian - not unlike "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" (eff the patients and jack up the cost of insurance) or "Bank Secrecy Act" (requiring banks to report "personal" financial info to the government).
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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2014, 11:37:10 AM »
Can someone succinctly explain why "net neutrality" is a good thing? Without knowing anything else about it, the name alone sounds very Orwellian - not unlike "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" (eff the patients and jack up the cost of insurance) or "Bank Secrecy Act" (requiring banks to report "personal" financial info to the government).

It ensures that cable providers can't slow down competing services that offer alternatives to cable tv to make those services less attractive to consumers.

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« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2014, 11:39:39 AM »
I also cannot wait for Cruz to run, seeing how clueless he is.

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Re: Hopefully An Issue We Can Get Some Bi-Partisan Agreement On
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2014, 11:45:39 AM »
Utilities should not be allowed to do this.  Non-utilities should not be allowed to collude to do this.

Basically I agree, although I'm skeptical that new regulations will improve upon the existing body of law we have to prevent this (eg, if you let the feds eff with it, we're just as likely to get non neutral Web as if we let time Warner super stream espn and curtail fox sports).
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