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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1675 on: July 22, 2015, 09:20:05 PM »
Old people can say the funniest things.

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1676 on: July 22, 2015, 09:27:55 PM »
Until Sean stops eating breakfast and lunch, I just can't trust him.

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1677 on: July 22, 2015, 10:14:46 PM »
Sean has kinda that pissed off since gym class chip kelly feel to him.

He could be a really sore loser and channel it into trying hard/scheming/cheating. Would take.

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1678 on: July 22, 2015, 10:44:57 PM »
I mean, you make GPat say no (and he would but you gotta try), then take another couple shots quietly at homerun hires. If they all say no, maybe you give Sean a try.
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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1679 on: July 22, 2015, 11:02:06 PM »
I am choosing to believe in Sean.  Last time, we didn't listen to Bill and we failed.  I vote we trust Bill.
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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1680 on: July 22, 2015, 11:25:34 PM »
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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1681 on: July 23, 2015, 01:19:00 AM »
Sean is not more risky than any other assistant
You mean any of our existing assistants, not other assistant non cfb, right?

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I mean any assistant we would have a reasonable shot at hiring.

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1682 on: July 23, 2015, 01:20:22 AM »
I mean, you make GPat say no (and he would but you gotta try), then take another couple shots quietly at homerun hires. If they all say no, maybe you give Sean a try.

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1683 on: July 23, 2015, 01:29:00 AM »
Sean has kinda that pissed off since gym class chip kelly feel to him.

He could be a really sore loser and channel it into trying hard/scheming/cheating. Would take.

In general, promoting from within appears to be a better solution, by and large, than hiring outside of the tree.

Boise did it for years with great success.  Patterson was hired from within after Fran.  Helfrich.  David Shaw.  Gundy.  You get to keep the same staff (likely), same administration (likely), same philosophy (likely), same support staff (likely).  Players get to run the same offense, same defense, etc.

I've been trying to talk myself into Sean.  I keep thinking that when Bill goes, Del and Hayes are probably walking away.  Maybe Mo.

If you paid Sean the same amount as the lowest paid Big 12 coach (Rhoads), you'd save a little over a million annually.  If Hayes, Mo, and Miller retired?  $1.045m.

In my mind, that's Sean's big positive.  You pretty much keep exactly what you have right now from an operations perspective, keep pretty much all of the coaches that are worth something, and then you still have huge money to go after strong assistants to prop him up.

I mean we could literally do this:
Sean: $1.8m
Leavitt (DC): $600k (+$100k over what he makes at CU)
Dimel (OC): $600k (+$200k)
Mangino (OC): $600k (+$250k over what he makes at ISU)
Dickey (OL): $425k (+$65k)
Cox (LB): $330k (+$50k)
Coleman (WR): $425k (+$250k)
Seiler: $215k (+$50k)
Klein: $205k
Clements: $425k (~+$94k over what he makes at OSU)

...and we'd be budget neutral to what we have right now.  Granted, Mangino, Leavitt, Dimel, etc. are older.  But that's a hell of a lot of talent at your coordinator positions.  Then you'd have Coleman, Seiler, Klein, and Clements to be your road warriors. 

I mean, I'd take that tomorrow and run.

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1684 on: July 23, 2015, 07:49:07 AM »
Old people can say the funniest things.
And add nothing of value to any conversation.

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1685 on: July 23, 2015, 07:54:24 AM »
Sean should have went and got head coaching credentials elsewhere. I don't want the guy without any previous experience.

Recruits will have no idea who he is and won't care about what his dad did.

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1686 on: July 23, 2015, 07:57:26 AM »
Gross

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1687 on: July 23, 2015, 07:59:42 AM »
Gross
Welcome to every future KSU football coaching search, probably.

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1688 on: July 23, 2015, 09:28:12 AM »
If Mo walked away tomorrow, would anyone know?

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1689 on: July 23, 2015, 09:31:37 AM »
instead of spending money on the new super ugly on the inside vanier, i would've used the 70 million to offer gpat a ten year 7 million dollar contract. instead we will pretty much end up with the football equivalent of the new basketball training facility and oscar weber.

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1690 on: July 23, 2015, 09:39:47 AM »
Pay Sean 500k to be head coach, pay Venzy 1.5 mill to be defensive coordinator, and I'm in.

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1691 on: July 23, 2015, 09:46:50 AM »
I know a coach on the staff personally. Sean is not well liked within the staff, I don't think we would enjoy the benefit that usually comes from hiring within if we were to promote Sean.  It bothers me that Sean has never worked anywhere else, other than a staff position with Prince, he has never worked for anyone other than Bill and has never been more than a special teams coordinator.

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1692 on: July 23, 2015, 10:02:51 AM »
Sean, in an attempt to live up to the success of his father, would go to great and desperate lengths. Lots of burner cell phones, bag men, et al.

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1693 on: July 23, 2015, 11:36:05 AM »
I know a coach on the staff personally. Sean is not well liked within the staff, I don't think we would enjoy the benefit that usually comes from hiring within if we were to promote Sean.  It bothers me that Sean has never worked anywhere else, other than a staff position with Prince, he has never worked for anyone other than Bill and has never been more than a special teams coordinator.

Umm, where are the player performance scoops?

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1694 on: July 23, 2015, 12:25:16 PM »
I know a coach on the staff personally. Sean is not well liked within the staff, I don't think we would enjoy the benefit that usually comes from hiring within if we were to promote Sean.  It bothers me that Sean has never worked anywhere else, other than a staff position with Prince, he has never worked for anyone other than Bill and has never been more than a special teams coordinator.

Umm, where are the player performance scoops?

Yea man, this opportunity exists here today:

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1695 on: July 23, 2015, 12:29:13 PM »
Sean, in an attempt to live up to the success of his father, would go to great and desperate lengths. Lots of burner cell phones, bag men, et al.

Promise?

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1696 on: July 23, 2015, 02:40:57 PM »
Sean, in an attempt to live up to the success of his father, would go to great and desperate lengths. Lots of burner cell phones, bag men, et al.

Promise?

You can take that to the bank! (After first channeling it through a series of no fewer than 3 intermediaries)

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1697 on: July 23, 2015, 03:34:18 PM »
How Aspy is Sean?  More than Bill?  Less?  I mean, Bill is like the goldilocks of Aspy, and quite frankly, how common is that?  Is it even fair to hope that Sean is too? 

How many Sean Aspy lottery tickets would we have to buy before we find a Sean that is the perfect amount of Aspy that Bill is?

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1698 on: July 23, 2015, 04:30:54 PM »
Oh sure, part of my thoughts want to march right in line with what LHC LHC Bill Snyder wants.

The other parts kind of think like what the current assistants must think at various points in time.

The guy has never been through the grind anywhere else but K-State.   Which means no matter how demanding dad might be, it's still dad, and dad has always been there flying air cover.   Nothing is greater career air cover than dad having a contract (during Snyder I) which basically guarantees sonny a job for life.    Working in an environment where dad is always up their at your 12'oclock because he's the legend is not the same as being on a staff where you're working for a guy who, at the end of the day, doesn't give an eff you're LHC LHC Bill Snyder's son; either perform, or else. 

There may be no greater roller coaster in college football than Sean Snyder's special teams.   They've been brilliant, they've been awful, sometimes in the span of seconds on the game clock.   

Proponents always toss around how nobody else can really understand the K-State culture.  Really? 

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Re: Snyder Retirement Coaching Search Master Thread
« Reply #1699 on: July 23, 2015, 11:17:48 PM »
Srsly, this could just be a way of Bill pressuring JC to start looking around.  Bill could REALLY be ready this time and possibly JC is not.