Author Topic: Have we sunk so far into the abyss that no decent coach will come here? (Read 10281 times)

MakeItRain · « **Reply #50 on:** January 11, 2018, 11:43:23 AM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on January 11, 2018, 10:06:48 AM

Quote from: MakeItRain on January 09, 2018, 11:19:58 PM
Quote from: ksu_FAN1 on January 09, 2018, 10:44:14 PM
Stew was a mediocre point guard, a game manager at best.

I will murder you.
Stew was rough ridin' terrible

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You're going to pay for that.

Quote from: sys on January 11, 2018, 11:23:56 AM

haha. good times, kat kid. those were good times.

I was the lone dissenter in a sea of haters. My guy Stew wasn't by any means a flashy point guard but he was a steady presence, he played solid D and didn't turn the ball over. I'm pretty sure he's still top 5 all time in A:TO

_33 · « **Reply #51 on:** January 11, 2018, 01:23:21 PM »

I don't see him.

Face it MIR, he sucked garbage.

meow meow · « **Reply #52 on:** January 11, 2018, 01:25:41 PM »

man, not a good look by mir here today

wetwillie · « **Reply #53 on:** January 11, 2018, 02:58:29 PM »

Quote from: _33 on January 11, 2018, 01:23:21 PM

I don't see him.

Face it MIR, he sucked garbage.

Sure the guy that is a master of Photoshop puts an unlinked and unsourced info graphic that supports his agenda and we are supposed to take it at face value.

ednksu · « **Reply #54 on:** January 11, 2018, 03:05:04 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on January 11, 2018, 08:48:19 AM

Quote from: ednksu on January 11, 2018, 05:44:21 AM
Quote from: michigancat on January 10, 2018, 07:06:52 PM
Quote from: ednksu on January 10, 2018, 06:48:43 PM
I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.

lol did you see this post? like, pretty much everything has improved every year. Lots of things to hate about oscar without having weird feelings about Wade.

Quote from: ksu_FAN1 on January 09, 2018, 10:51:02 PM
Cartier.

Dean.

FTA, 2PA have both gone down, TO rate when up between 16 and 17 and is much higher so far through conference only stats, which many here agree is when Wade started turning the corner to being a player who could impact the game again. I would also argue the eFG% going up is a factor of him being more passive taking easier shots (see his assist numbers going up as he chooses to pass more instead of shooting, granted that is mostly because of oscar's system which under utilizes the post, in the post.).

Holy crap he doubled down

JFC enough with the bullshit trolling from you.

Pretty much everyone agrees that Wade is regressing in many aspects of his game under oscar's development. Great work bringing no stats or arguments to back up your point as I laid out very specific items which many here have said are cause for concern with his game play.

wetwillie · « **Reply #55 on:** January 11, 2018, 03:14:59 PM »

I think Korn is doing a great job developing Wade and anyone who thinks differently is most likely a squawk

Kat Kid · « **Reply #56 on:** January 11, 2018, 03:24:06 PM »

1.5 A:TO ratio is the definition of a great point guard.*

*in MIR's opinion

Kat Kid · « **Reply #57 on:** January 11, 2018, 03:26:26 PM »

At least people don't pretend Aaron Swartzendruber was worth a crap.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #58 on:** January 11, 2018, 03:43:37 PM »

Quote from: _33 on January 11, 2018, 01:23:21 PM

I don't see him.

Face it MIR, he sucked garbage.

Fake news

Quote from: Kat Kid on January 11, 2018, 03:24:06 PM

1.5 A:TO ratio is the definition of a great point guard.*

*in MIR's opinion

Your face is a 1:5 HOT:FUGLY ratio

_33 · « **Reply #59 on:** January 11, 2018, 03:47:27 PM »

https://issuu.com/k-statesports/docs/entire_mbb_guide/127

michigancat · « **Reply #60 on:** January 11, 2018, 04:30:18 PM »

Quote from: ednksu on January 11, 2018, 03:05:04 PM

Quote from: michigancat on January 11, 2018, 08:48:19 AM
Quote from: ednksu on January 11, 2018, 05:44:21 AM
Quote from: michigancat on January 10, 2018, 07:06:52 PM
Quote from: ednksu on January 10, 2018, 06:48:43 PM
I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.

lol did you see this post? like, pretty much everything has improved every year. Lots of things to hate about oscar without having weird feelings about Wade.

Quote from: ksu_FAN1 on January 09, 2018, 10:51:02 PM
Cartier.

Dean.

FTA, 2PA have both gone down, TO rate when up between 16 and 17 and is much higher so far through conference only stats, which many here agree is when Wade started turning the corner to being a player who could impact the game again. I would also argue the eFG% going up is a factor of him being more passive taking easier shots (see his assist numbers going up as he chooses to pass more instead of shooting, granted that is mostly because of oscar's system which under utilizes the post, in the post.).

Holy crap he doubled down

JFC enough with the bullshit trolling from you.

Pretty much everyone agrees that Wade is regressing in many aspects of his game under oscar's development. Great work bringing no stats or arguments to back up your point as I laid out very specific items which many here have said are cause for concern with his game play.

THE STATS ARE LITERALLY IN FAN'S POST

OF COURSE HE HAS FEWER FGA THIS SEASON THERE'S STILL 15 GAMES LEFT YOU DUMBFUCK

HE IS SHOOTING MORE OFTEN THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS SHOOTING BETTER FROM 2 THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS SHOOTING BETTER FROM 3 THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS SHOOTING BETTER FROM THE FREE THROW LINE THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS GETTING REBOUNDS AT A HIGHER RATE THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS GETTING MORE BLOCKS THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS GETTING MORE STEALS THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS DRAWING MORE FOULS THAN HE EVER HAS

HE GETS TO THE FREE THROW LINE THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS FOULING LESS THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS TURNING IT OVER LESS THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS GETTING ASSISTS AT A HIGHER RATE THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS LITERALLY BETTER AT EVERYTHING THAN HE'S EVER BEEN HOLY eff HOW CAN YOU BE THIS STUPID

MakeItRain · « **Reply #61 on:** January 11, 2018, 04:59:29 PM »

Quote from: _33 on January 11, 2018, 03:47:27 PM

https://issuu.com/k-statesports/docs/entire_mbb_guide/127

virus, do not click

kso_FAN · « **Reply #62 on:** January 11, 2018, 05:12:15 PM »

Oh man, this has become a fun thread.

FWIW MIR, among players that played at least 1/3 of the minutes, Clent is 17th, 31st, 39th, and 41st in A:TO since 2002.

He is 10th, 14th, 24th, and 34th in assists per 100.

He wasn't really terrible.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #63 on:** January 11, 2018, 05:31:06 PM »

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #64 on:** January 11, 2018, 05:40:40 PM »

Clent had a good game in '08 vs KU and that's all that matters to me. #MyGuy

wetwillie · « **Reply #65 on:** January 11, 2018, 05:47:39 PM »

He played the right way that's for sure

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #66 on:** January 11, 2018, 05:49:53 PM »

Also proposed to his wife on Senior night on the court. #GOAT

mocat · « **Reply #67 on:** January 11, 2018, 06:00:50 PM »

Quote from: _33 on January 11, 2018, 01:23:21 PM

I don't see him.

Face it MIR, he sucked garbage.

Look who sits atop that sexy list if you consider minimum 128 games played

kso_FAN · « **Reply #68 on:** January 11, 2018, 06:17:13 PM »

Wooly agrees that Stew was a player: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article194268474.html

“I don’t recall every shot, but I remember Schyler Thomas made a couple,” Wooldridge said. “That was big. Cartier Martin hit one big, big shot at the top of the key. Dramane Diarra played well. Then there was Clent Stewart. Man, he was a competitor. He is your classic definition of a winner. Maybe his heart had a lot to do with us winning that game.”

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #69 on:** January 11, 2018, 06:41:23 PM »

Sky is my guy! What a walk-on!

KST8FAN · « **Reply #70 on:** January 11, 2018, 09:05:04 PM »

Quote from: mocat on January 11, 2018, 06:00:50 PM

Quote from: _33 on January 11, 2018, 01:23:21 PM
I don't see him.

Face it MIR, he sucked garbage.

Look who sits atop that sexy list if you consider minimum 128 games played

I was a "Roder Rooter" in 82-84.

Tom

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Kat Kid · « **Reply #71 on:** January 11, 2018, 09:20:12 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN1 on January 11, 2018, 06:17:13 PM

Wooly agrees that Stew was a player: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article194268474.html

“I don’t recall every shot, but I remember Schyler Thomas made a couple,” Wooldridge said. “That was big. Cartier Martin hit one big, big shot at the top of the key. Dramane Diarra played well. Then there was Clent Stewart. Man, he was a competitor. He is your classic definition of a winner. Maybe his heart had a lot to do with us winning that game.”

The Jim Woolridge Winner Seal of Approval.

ednksu · « **Reply #72 on:** January 12, 2018, 07:27:33 AM »

Quote from: michigancat on January 11, 2018, 04:30:18 PM

Quote from: ednksu on January 11, 2018, 03:05:04 PM
Quote from: michigancat on January 11, 2018, 08:48:19 AM
Quote from: ednksu on January 11, 2018, 05:44:21 AM
Quote from: michigancat on January 10, 2018, 07:06:52 PM
Quote from: ednksu on January 10, 2018, 06:48:43 PM
I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.

lol did you see this post? like, pretty much everything has improved every year. Lots of things to hate about oscar without having weird feelings about Wade.

Quote from: ksu_FAN1 on January 09, 2018, 10:51:02 PM
Cartier.

Dean.

FTA, 2PA have both gone down, TO rate when up between 16 and 17 and is much higher so far through conference only stats, which many here agree is when Wade started turning the corner to being a player who could impact the game again. I would also argue the eFG% going up is a factor of him being more passive taking easier shots (see his assist numbers going up as he chooses to pass more instead of shooting, granted that is mostly because of oscar's system which under utilizes the post, in the post.).

Holy crap he doubled down

JFC enough with the bullshit trolling from you.

Pretty much everyone agrees that Wade is regressing in many aspects of his game under oscar's development. Great work bringing no stats or arguments to back up your point as I laid out very specific items which many here have said are cause for concern with his game play.

THE STATS ARE LITERALLY IN FAN'S POST

OF COURSE HE HAS FEWER FGA THIS SEASON THERE'S STILL 15 GAMES LEFT YOU DUMBFUCK

HE IS SHOOTING MORE OFTEN THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS SHOOTING BETTER FROM 2 THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS SHOOTING BETTER FROM 3 THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS SHOOTING BETTER FROM THE FREE THROW LINE THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS GETTING REBOUNDS AT A HIGHER RATE THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS GETTING MORE BLOCKS THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS GETTING MORE STEALS THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS DRAWING MORE FOULS THAN HE EVER HAS

HE GETS TO THE FREE THROW LINE THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS FOULING LESS THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS TURNING IT OVER LESS THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS GETTING ASSISTS AT A HIGHER RATE THAN HE EVER HAS

HE IS LITERALLY BETTER AT EVERYTHING THAN HE'S EVER BEEN HOLY eff HOW CAN YOU BE THIS STUPID

Are you an adult? I know you've been on various for a long time but damn dude, get over yourself.

I never said anything comparing explicitly this years stats to others. Further the stats I did mention show a decline from FR to SO year. Further many, but not all, of the stats you mention show a player who is taking easier shots and mechanically improving. Yes his 2% is higher, as well as his 3%, better stat would be the eFG% that you ignore. Further things like FTRate dropped pretty heavily from FR to SO again, and didn't really recover all that greatly until these last few games where he has exploded back on scene. Looking at his rebounding, again, he is just how getting back to where he was a FR, which is sad to consider all the promise he showed in his first campaign. Again, I don't put rebounding so much on him, but oscar's system that I don't think puts post players in a position to provide maximum impact. We'll see how his rebounding stats finish this year as I think our competition has allowed those to become overly inflated to this point. I expect a marginal improvement because he is doing more this year. But maybe in your world taking 42 less free throws and 20 some odd less shots between your FR and SO year, and having significant trouble getting yourself inserted into early season games is an example of improvement. Dunno. we'll see how things go over the last half of the season, when we actually have competition (because this season totally isn't a mirror of last season).

kso_FAN · « **Reply #73 on:** January 12, 2018, 10:59:27 AM »

You could say Dean had a slight slide from his FR to SO years, but his improvement this year is significant so far.

michigancat · « **Reply #74 on:** January 12, 2018, 11:30:11 AM »

Quote from: ednksu on January 12, 2018, 07:27:33 AM

I never said anything comparing explicitly this years stats to others.

what the eff is this?

Quote from: ednksu on January 10, 2018, 06:48:43 PM

I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.

and yeah you can talk about his efg if you want, dumbass.