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2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« on: November 29, 2016, 11:34:29 PM »
335th as of today.  rutgers and texas tech are major conference teams with even worse noncons (so far).


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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2016, 05:49:13 AM »
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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2016, 06:17:16 AM »
oscar is such an unbelievable piece of crap, he's honestly a very garbage human being. I don't like that people assume that he's a good guy just because he loses a bunch of basketball games. If you're in year four and have this schedule, you're attempting to steal at least one more year's salary from your employer. That makes you a shitty person. If you have to trick people into retaining you, then you don't deserve to be employed.
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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2016, 06:34:00 AM »
oscar is in year 5.

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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2016, 06:36:38 AM »
oscar is in year 5.

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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2016, 06:53:10 AM »
How does an unbelievably shitty SOS in the non con help oscar keep his job exactly?
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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2016, 07:12:01 AM »
How does an unbelievably shitty SOS in the non con help oscar keep his job exactly?

I think the thought process is that you'll escape the non-con w/o any losses, and hope that you get lucky and pick up some good wins in conference and sneak into the tournament. If you play good teams throughout the year, you're more likely to be exposed. It's not a strategy w/o it's drawbacks (committee hates weak schedules), but I can't see any other reason for having this schedule. It doesn't make us a better basketball team.
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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2016, 07:42:45 AM »
How does an unbelievably shitty SOS in the non con help oscar keep his job exactly?

the wildcat saluters only look at the W/L column and moral victories
being almost there is really good enough because we're k-state and we do things the right way and we could be UNC if we wanted to cheat like them but we're better than that because we know the value of hard work and work ethic because we grew up on farms and have 16 goals.

the worst part is that it's not just oscar.  we're being sold a 1998 ford Taurus with 190,000 miles on it for $6k at 18% interest and currie is complicit in this bullshit sales job.  because we know his hands are on our schedules (see: FB @ Stanford) and he's doing everything he can to make his fan base believe he made a good hire in oscar. 

i support currie as much as i can but treating your alumni like we're all rough ridin' idiots doesn't fly


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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2016, 07:54:09 AM »
Well, we've had top 20ish the past couple years, so this will give oscar an opportunity to show that he can fail to make the tournament regardless of schedule.

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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2016, 08:27:59 AM »
Green Bay, however.  They're terrifying.

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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2016, 08:39:43 AM »
An easy OOC makes it harder to make the tournament IMO. The more you reduce your games against Top 50 or Top 100 teams, the less your margin for error. I don't think empty wins against all these >200 teams will matter to even the crazy loyal supporters if this team doesn't make postseason.

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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2016, 08:49:22 AM »
If the tournament-selectors (who are really schedule-makers when you think about it) don't put a 20-ish-win 'cat team in the 2017 field, it just shows that they're oscar haters and he should be given more time to stick it to them.

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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2016, 09:00:18 AM »
If the tournament-selectors (who are really schedule-makers when you think about it) don't put a 20-ish-win 'cat team in the 2017 field, it just shows that they're oscar haters and he should be given more time to stick it to them.

Yeah, the average tuck is just going to support oscar even more fervently if we're left out of the tourney with 20+ wins. oscar knows exactly what he's doing.
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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2016, 09:04:03 AM »
I wonder if we end up keeping oscar longer than Illinois did.

I suspect we might.

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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2016, 09:07:54 AM »
I wonder if we end up keeping oscar longer than Illinois did.

I suspect we might.

I wonder if Illinois will keep Groce (who is worse) longer than we keep oscar.

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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2016, 09:16:56 AM »
I wonder if we end up keeping oscar longer than Illinois did.

I suspect we might.

I wonder if Illinois will keep Groce (who is worse) longer than we keep oscar.

Groce, in my estimation, is the only effective counter argument to firing oscar. Although, I think the moral of the story there is that it's not wise to give college basketball coaches too much time. You either have it or you don't. Not a lot of coaches get it turned around after five or six seasons. Much more likely to hit if you keep trying different options. Hanging on to your mediocre coach to avoid hiring a bad coach is no way to go through life.
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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2016, 09:32:15 AM »
I wonder if we end up keeping oscar longer than Illinois did.

I suspect we might.

He's in adequate health.

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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2016, 09:32:53 AM »
I wonder if we end up keeping oscar longer than Illinois did.

I suspect we might.

I wonder if Illinois will keep Groce (who is worse) longer than we keep oscar.
I think they won't, but then again they have a recent history of hiring shitty shitty coaches and hanging on to th for way too long.

His recent recruiting class is what kept him from getting canned last year I think.

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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2016, 09:34:59 AM »
His recent recruiting class is what kept him from getting canned last year I think.

Didn't oscar hang on for similar reasons? I would think Illinois would learn their lesson.

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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2016, 09:41:49 AM »
His recent recruiting class is what kept him from getting canned last year I think.

Didn't oscar hang on for similar reasons? I would think Illinois would learn their lesson.

One would think, but alas Illinois is one messed up Athletic Department.  Their sequence of hires in football and basketball over the past decade or so has been disastrous.  I do think that if Illinois fails to make the tournament this year he's probably gone.

Here's the class: http://illinois.247sports.com/Season/2017-Basketball/Commits

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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2016, 11:00:42 AM »
Some people get completely obsessed by the theoretical "tuck", it's very interesting
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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2016, 12:07:47 PM »
It will be funny when we get 0 road wins this year.
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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2016, 12:42:51 PM »
I never felt that this schedule was to help us get in the NCAA, but rather to help us get into the NIT.  When we end the year with 18/19 wins, we will probably get in the NIT, and then oscar's trajectory is suddenly pointing up.

I fully believe if we get in the NIT, oscar is here another year easily. 

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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2016, 12:56:30 PM »
I never felt that this schedule was to help us get in the NCAA, but rather to help us get into the NIT.  When we end the year with 18/19 wins, we will probably get in the NIT, and then oscar's trajectory is suddenly pointing up.

I fully believe if we get in the NIT, oscar is here another year easily.
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Re: 2016-2017 kstate noncon sos
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2016, 01:14:40 PM »
Of course he is correct.  oscar will get an extension this year if he gets an NIT bid.  This has always been the case since Fostergate.