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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2015, 11:56:35 PM »
I don't think he was declared ineligible at that point right? 
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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2015, 11:58:30 PM »
Loved it. 

I would be a joy to hear the OP read by Morgan Freeman or Tom Rinaldi or such.
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« Reply #52 on: January 04, 2015, 12:09:13 AM »
I don't think he was declared ineligible at that point right?

He was never declared ineligible, Currie made unilateral decision suspend him while the investigation of how he got the money happening.

Frank had a lot to lose personally if he played Jamar, he certainly would have been fired and likely sold out to the NCAA by Currie. It's much harder find a job as an insubordinate NCAA cheat.

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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2015, 12:09:42 AM »
Loved it. 

I would be a joy to hear the OP read by Morgan Freeman or Tom Rinaldi or such.
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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #54 on: January 04, 2015, 12:23:45 AM »
I've decided that I blame Frank more than Currie. If your boss tells you to do something, you just say "Yes, boss!" even if you plan to totally disregard what your boss just said. Frank was just too unsophisticated and honest.
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I don't know if Frank leaves without Currie doing what he did to Jamar, but I don't know how anyone could fault Frank for having enough at that point. The difference between Frank, Deb, and Bill wasn't any kind of unsophistication but it was options. Frank didn't have to put up with it so he didn't.

He doesn't have to deal with any of it if he just says, "Yeah, boss. Agree 100%!" How much is that to ask?

Frank could do that or try his luck elsewhere. As MIR has been preaching lately, good players and coaches think they are good and want to be the guy. Frank thought that he could be put into a mid-to-low tier program and make them relevant in order to prove his worth and then move up from there if he wanted. Assuming he believed he is a good/great coach, how can you be mad at him for choosing that option instead of the option to put up with Currie?

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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #55 on: January 04, 2015, 12:41:30 AM »
I've decided that I blame Frank more than Currie. If your boss tells you to do something, you just say "Yes, boss!" even if you plan to totally disregard what your boss just said. Frank was just too unsophisticated and honest.
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I don't know if Frank leaves without Currie doing what he did to Jamar, but I don't know how anyone could fault Frank for having enough at that point. The difference between Frank, Deb, and Bill wasn't any kind of unsophistication but it was options. Frank didn't have to put up with it so he didn't.

He doesn't have to deal with any of it if he just says, "Yeah, boss. Agree 100%!" How much is that to ask?

Frank could do that or try his luck elsewhere. As MIR has been preaching lately, good players and coaches think they are good and want to be the guy. Frank thought that he could be put into a mid-to-low tier program and make them relevant in order to prove his worth and then move up from there if he wanted. Assuming he believed he is a good/great coach, how can you be mad at him for choosing that option instead of the option to put up with Currie?

I said that I blamed him more than Currie. He can certainly leave, but if he gets another coaching job, he'll also get another boss with whom he sometimes disagrees. Maybe he should start a business and be his own boss.

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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #56 on: January 04, 2015, 12:43:32 AM »
I've decided that I blame Frank more than Currie. If your boss tells you to do something, you just say "Yes, boss!" even if you plan to totally disregard what your boss just said. Frank was just too unsophisticated and honest.
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I don't know if Frank leaves without Currie doing what he did to Jamar, but I don't know how anyone could fault Frank for having enough at that point. The difference between Frank, Deb, and Bill wasn't any kind of unsophistication but it was options. Frank didn't have to put up with it so he didn't.

He doesn't have to deal with any of it if he just says, "Yeah, boss. Agree 100%!" How much is that to ask?

Frank could do that or try his luck elsewhere. As MIR has been preaching lately, good players and coaches think they are good and want to be the guy. Frank thought that he could be put into a mid-to-low tier program and make them relevant in order to prove his worth and then move up from there if he wanted. Assuming he believed he is a good/great coach, how can you be mad at him for choosing that option instead of the option to put up with Currie?

I said that I blamed him more than Currie. He can certainly leave, but if he gets another coaching job, he'll also get another boss with whom he sometimes disagrees. Maybe he should start a business and be his own boss.

this is kind of hard to do in coaching

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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #57 on: January 04, 2015, 12:47:52 AM »
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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #58 on: January 04, 2015, 12:50:17 AM »

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« Reply #59 on: January 04, 2015, 12:51:18 AM »
he didnt start that business tho, he was just best in the business

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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #60 on: January 04, 2015, 01:05:23 AM »
I've decided that I blame Frank more than Currie. If your boss tells you to do something, you just say "Yes, boss!" even if you plan to totally disregard what your boss just said. Frank was just too unsophisticated and honest.
Yeah

I don't know if Frank leaves without Currie doing what he did to Jamar, but I don't know how anyone could fault Frank for having enough at that point. The difference between Frank, Deb, and Bill wasn't any kind of unsophistication but it was options. Frank didn't have to put up with it so he didn't.

He doesn't have to deal with any of it if he just says, "Yeah, boss. Agree 100%!" How much is that to ask?

Frank could do that or try his luck elsewhere. As MIR has been preaching lately, good players and coaches think they are good and want to be the guy. Frank thought that he could be put into a mid-to-low tier program and make them relevant in order to prove his worth and then move up from there if he wanted. Assuming he believed he is a good/great coach, how can you be mad at him for choosing that option instead of the option to put up with Currie?

I said that I blamed him more than Currie. He can certainly leave, but if he gets another coaching job, he'll also get another boss with whom he sometimes disagrees. Maybe he should start a business and be his own boss.

Oversimplifying what happened certainly makes your point easier to make. This was far from the standard employee having disagreements with his boss. Let's also stop pretending that Frank chronic issues getting along with his bosses, evidence supports the opposite.

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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #61 on: January 04, 2015, 01:25:51 AM »
I've decided that I blame Frank more than Currie. If your boss tells you to do something, you just say "Yes, boss!" even if you plan to totally disregard what your boss just said. Frank was just too unsophisticated and honest.
Yeah

I don't know if Frank leaves without Currie doing what he did to Jamar, but I don't know how anyone could fault Frank for having enough at that point. The difference between Frank, Deb, and Bill wasn't any kind of unsophistication but it was options. Frank didn't have to put up with it so he didn't.

He doesn't have to deal with any of it if he just says, "Yeah, boss. Agree 100%!" How much is that to ask?

Frank could do that or try his luck elsewhere. As MIR has been preaching lately, good players and coaches think they are good and want to be the guy. Frank thought that he could be put into a mid-to-low tier program and make them relevant in order to prove his worth and then move up from there if he wanted. Assuming he believed he is a good/great coach, how can you be mad at him for choosing that option instead of the option to put up with Currie?

I said that I blamed him more than Currie. He can certainly leave, but if he gets another coaching job, he'll also get another boss with whom he sometimes disagrees. Maybe he should start a business and be his own boss.

Oversimplifying what happened certainly makes your point easier to make. This was far from the standard employee having disagreements with his boss. Let's also stop pretending that Frank chronic issues getting along with his bosses, evidence supports the opposite.

I don't see why whether or not it is on par with a standard disagreement matters. It's his fault that he didn't have the wool pulled over Currie's eyes. He wasn't smart enough.

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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #62 on: January 04, 2015, 01:39:36 AM »
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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #63 on: January 04, 2015, 02:27:05 AM »
I mean, if you think part of your job is dealing with people like Curtis Malone, you'd have to be pretty naive to expect to have an open, candid relationship with your AD.


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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2015, 01:52:15 PM »
I'm just glad FAN made this post so that Weber gets fired within two months.

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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #69 on: January 04, 2015, 02:05:35 PM »
I'm just glad FAN made this post so that Weber gets fired within two months.

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The FANman succeeded getting the only two coaches fired in 20 years fired within two months. Good enuff. I'll put an extra fruit and nut cornucopia in the ksu_FAN grotto, just to be safe.

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« Reply #70 on: January 04, 2015, 02:07:27 PM »
I'm just glad FAN made this post so that Weber gets fired within two months.

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« Reply #71 on: January 04, 2015, 02:10:03 PM »
There were people of substantial importance at USCe who wanted Frank fired after his absurd tirade recorded by ESPN cameras last year, and its beyond a shadow of doubt that Frank had/has to improve dramatically this year both in wins and behavior or he's likely gone.   

So 2 jobs, two AD's having to deal with substantial Frank Martin behavioral issues, but there's still dumbasses in this forum who continue to blame everyone else but Frank.   


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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #72 on: January 04, 2015, 02:13:27 PM »
I'm just glad FAN made this post so that Weber gets fired within two months.

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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #73 on: January 04, 2015, 02:15:51 PM »
There's also still dumbasses who think Frank deserves leeway because he wins, when to date the guy has placed exactly ZERO trophies of importance in the trophy case.   

No AD is going to fall on their sword in the face of dealing with a maniac who brings an empty trophy case to the equation.


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Re: K-State basketball and the tipping point of the fulcrum...
« Reply #74 on: January 04, 2015, 02:22:37 PM »
kick their asses, dax