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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #475 on: May 26, 2018, 02:11:46 PM »
I mean, that’s gotta be mental illness or something.


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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #477 on: June 04, 2018, 10:54:12 AM »
Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you

unless they are gay and want cake...

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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #478 on: June 04, 2018, 01:48:14 PM »
Man, pretty disappointing punt from the Supreme Court.  I was all excited to get some good jurisprudence on this issue.  They didn't even touch the validity of the Colorado Law.

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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #479 on: June 04, 2018, 04:01:16 PM »
do I still have to sell my house to Ace and Gary?

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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #480 on: June 04, 2018, 09:11:04 PM »
do I still have to sell my house to Ace and Gary?

Are you an artist who designed and built the house?

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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #481 on: June 04, 2018, 11:49:56 PM »
do I still have to sell my house to Ace and Gary?

Are you an artist who designed and built the house?

A baker is not an artist, either.

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Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #482 on: June 05, 2018, 06:40:50 AM »
Unfortunately the Supreme Court’s opinion doesn’t even go that far. Your only clear path is if you refuse to sell to Ace & Gary and local authorities are very mean about your religion when they determine whether you were improperly discriminating.

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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #483 on: June 05, 2018, 09:08:20 PM »
Yeah I need someone to give me a quick rundown on why the Supremes think the state being mean to the guy means he gets to break the law.

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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #484 on: June 05, 2018, 09:22:33 PM »
do I still have to sell my house to Ace and Gary?
Yes.  Unless you burn it.

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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #485 on: June 05, 2018, 09:28:53 PM »
I think you have to sell common things and merchandise to all regardless of their sexual affiliations on choice of personal interconnectivity.  A person who provides special services or creates specialty things like a decorative cake should be able to choose who they contract with.  If I made Trump pies, I should not be forced to make Obama or Clinton pies.

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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #486 on: June 06, 2018, 08:11:03 AM »
I think you have to sell common things and merchandise to all regardless of their sexual affiliations on choice of personal interconnectivity.  A person who provides special services or creates specialty things like a decorative cake should be able to choose who they contract with.  If I made Trump pies, I should not be forced to make Obama or Clinton pies.

But you should be forced to sell your Trump pies to never-Trumpers.

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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #487 on: June 06, 2018, 12:21:54 PM »
Yeah I need someone to give me a quick rundown on why the Supremes think the state being mean to the guy means he gets to break the law.

probably the same general principle as how if the state does not provide due process in a murder trial, the murderer gets to murder.
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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #488 on: June 06, 2018, 12:32:37 PM »
I’m still of the opinion that private businesses should be able to refuse service to anyone they want and for any reason.


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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #489 on: June 06, 2018, 01:33:02 PM »
Yeah I need someone to give me a quick rundown on why the Supremes think the state being mean to the guy means he gets to break the law.

probably the same general principle as how if the state does not provide due process in a murder trial, the murderer gets to murder.

Similar. The rule is a pretty sound one given the extra protections afforded for sincerely held beliefs. It just feels very forced in this case. Certainly nothing even close to raising to due process concerns.

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« Reply #490 on: June 06, 2018, 02:14:24 PM »
Yeah, its the National Review, but overall probably the best light review of the decision:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/masterpiece-cakeshop-ruling-religious-liberty-victory/




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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #492 on: June 07, 2018, 03:52:29 PM »
Did they ask him to make a cake showing a couple of guys giving each other blow jobs? Or was it just a regular wedding cake that could have been for any wedding?

They are equating it to a cake with an anti-gay message, but did the requested cake have a pro-gay message written on it?

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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #493 on: June 07, 2018, 03:59:13 PM »
Did they ask him to make a cake showing a couple of guys giving each other blow jobs? Or was it just a regular wedding cake that could have been for any wedding?

They are equating it to a cake with an anti-gay message, but did the requested cake have a pro-gay message written on it?

The guy in the link is just a tool that sells tools and doesn't want gay people to use tools.

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« Reply #494 on: June 07, 2018, 04:00:48 PM »
Did they ask him to make a cake showing a couple of guys giving each other blow jobs? Or was it just a regular wedding cake that could have been for any wedding?

They are equating it to a cake with an anti-gay message, but did the requested cake have a pro-gay message written on it?

The article Woogy posted is actually pretty helpful if you ignore the overtly partisan remarks.  The decision was purely procedural.  The Supreme Court didn't want to touch the speech issue directly, instead they determined the hearing/decision was not made fairly.  For the purposes of the court's opinion, the distinctions you are asking about as far as types of cakes wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome.

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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #495 on: June 07, 2018, 04:01:49 PM »
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/07/01/tennessee-hardware-store-no-gays-allowed-sign/29552615/

And cases like this are exactly why most of the liberal-leaning judges were fine with punting on the cake case.

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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #496 on: June 07, 2018, 04:04:10 PM »
What test is applied to insure a customer is not gay?
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« Reply #497 on: June 07, 2018, 05:12:34 PM »
What test is applied to insure a customer is not gay?

the flag test

http://amyxhardware.com/

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« Reply #498 on: June 07, 2018, 05:16:03 PM »
Bit of a wackycat08 moment for me in that post  :blush:
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Re: Freedom is really not applicable to Christian businesses!
« Reply #499 on: August 15, 2018, 02:19:42 PM »
They’re making another run at the Colorado baker. The liberal fascists just can’t let it go. https://pjmedia.com/faith/christian-baker-again-under-fire-for-refusing-transgender-cake-despite-supreme-court-win/
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