not just missouri, best to avoid all cops

[puniraptor]

whatever happened to that old dentist insurance exec who killed that guy by accident instead of unnecessarily tazing him?

[michigancat]

And that absurd to think that cops need to be dragged around the hood for a minimum "x" laps before they can respond, because that is what you're advocating. The cop used fair, polite, firm commands to get what was legally required to drive.  The guy became combative and chose to escalate the situation through rhetoric and actions.  The cop never raised his voice and politely ordered the guy out of the vehicle (another lawful order).  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim.  The best critique you have is that he should have got back in his car to initiate a pursuit through a neighborhood, and think about how stupid that sounds.

LOL the cop was not being polite at all. He was totally hostile and impatient.

[ednksu]

  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho

Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.

i am talking more generally about the time police devote to training weapons, combat, and tactics in comparison to training de-escalating irate citizens after common traffic stops.

Look you can make a legitimate critique about concerns of too many vets applying their .mil background to police work and the use of .mil tech in general policing.  But you can't apply those concerns to this stop.  It's rough ridin' foolish to say that this cop wasn't reasonable up to the point of the struggle.  Don't want front plate laws, talk to the legislature.  It's a primary offense and a reasonable stop in high crime neighborhoods. http://spotcrime.com/oh/cincinnati 

I would ask this: what else do you believe the cop should have done up to the point of reaching in the car door?  Lets just start their.  In no way, IMO, can you say he wasn't polite, firm, but fair with his requests and demeanor.

[CNS]

  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho

Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.

The guy was not combative.  I mean he was running away for fucks sake.  That is basically the literal opposite of combative. 

Maybe cops need training on understanding what being drug actually is.  I mean, he can't shoot someone based on what he thinks will eventually happen rather than what is.

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[puniraptor]

i'm not talking about vets. im talking about police training to be warriors.


this is a real problem! i watched an episode of vice about it!

[michigancat]

whatever happened to that old dentist insurance exec who killed that guy by accident instead of unnecessarily tazing him?

this guy?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/1105/Mehserle-verdict-Johannes-Mehserle-sentencing-stuns-Oscar-Grant-supporters-sparks-riots-in-Oakland

[puniraptor]

i mean just look at this photograph of a cop training for a routine traffic stop

[ednksu]

  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho

Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.

The guy was not combative.  I mean he was running away for fucks sake.  That is basically the literal opposite of combative. 

Maybe cops need training on understanding what being drug actually is.  I mean, he can't shoot someone based on what he thinks will eventually happen rather than what is.

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Refusing to say where your license is? Refusing to produce a necessary document that allows you to drive?  In a smart aleck fashion telling the cop to run his name?  Pulling the door shut as the cop lawfully tries to extricate him from the car?  Stop and watch the video at the very least.

[michigancat]

  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho

Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.

The guy was not combative.  I mean he was running away for fucks sake.  That is basically the literal opposite of combative. 

Maybe cops need training on understanding what being drug actually is.  I mean, he can't shoot someone based on what he thinks will eventually happen rather than what is.

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Refusing to say where your license is? Refusing to produce a necessary document that allows you to drive?  In a smart aleck fashion telling the cop to run his name?  Pulling the door shut as the cop lawfully tries to extricate him from the car?  Stop and watch the video at the very least.

you're insane

[puniraptor]

whatever happened to that old dentist insurance exec who killed that guy by accident instead of unnecessarily tazing him?

this guy?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/1105/Mehserle-verdict-Johannes-Mehserle-sentencing-stuns-Oscar-Grant-supporters-sparks-riots-in-Oakland

nope, this guy!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/13/the-73-year-old-reserve-cop-who-mistook-his-gun-for-a-taser/

possible copycat killer?!

[CNS]

I really hope EDN is trolling our assess off

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[ednksu]

  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho

Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.

The guy was not combative.  I mean he was running away for fucks sake.  That is basically the literal opposite of combative. 

Maybe cops need training on understanding what being drug actually is.  I mean, he can't shoot someone based on what he thinks will eventually happen rather than what is.

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Refusing to say where your license is? Refusing to produce a necessary document that allows you to drive?  In a smart aleck fashion telling the cop to run his name?  Pulling the door shut as the cop lawfully tries to extricate him from the car?  Stop and watch the video at the very least.

you're insane

And you can't even have a reasonable conversation about this topic.

As already asked:
I would ask this: what else do you believe the cop should have done up to the point of reaching in the car door?  Lets just start their.  In no way, IMO, can you say he wasn't polite, firm, but fair with his requests and demeanor.

[puniraptor]

objective super meta experiment:

google image search "police training"

[puniraptor]

  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho

Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.

The guy was not combative.  I mean he was running away for fucks sake.  That is basically the literal opposite of combative. 

Maybe cops need training on understanding what being drug actually is.  I mean, he can't shoot someone based on what he thinks will eventually happen rather than what is.

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Refusing to say where your license is? Refusing to produce a necessary document that allows you to drive?  In a smart aleck fashion telling the cop to run his name?  Pulling the door shut as the cop lawfully tries to extricate him from the car?  Stop and watch the video at the very least.

you're insane

And you can't even have a reasonable conversation about this topic.

As already asked:
I would ask this: what else do you believe the cop should have done up to the point of reaching in the car door?  Lets just start their.  In no way, IMO, can you say he wasn't polite, firm, but fair with his requests and demeanor.

he should have politely and firmly stated that if the suspect turned the ignition and put the car into gear he would shoot him in the head.

[MeatSauce]

is it normal for University police to make traffic stops?

[puniraptor]

is it normal for University police to make traffic stops?

in their jurisdiction, yes.

[ednksu]

[puniraptor]

[michigancat]

As already asked:
I would ask this: what else do you believe the cop should have done up to the point of reaching in the car door?  Lets just start their.  In no way, IMO, can you say he wasn't polite, firm, but fair with his requests and demeanor.

As I said earlier, I think he could have been less hostile and let the guy speak, for starters. He was interrupting and was hostile and impatient. He also could have asked for the guys information and called it in to verify his license status (I'm guessing driving w/o a license on you carries a less severe punishment than driving with a suspended license). If that was not an option, he could have asked the guy to step out of the car (before opening the door). I'm not sure why he would need to have the guy get out of his car, but asking him would have been a far better option than reaching for the door and seatbelt.  That's just a start, I'm sure more could have been done.

[ednksu]

[puniraptor]

What about Intent to Flee? Death Penalty?

[chum1]

It's nice to have K-S-U-W posting again?

[CNS]

The officer should have repeated himself and held fort until back up got there.  When he realized the car would take off soon, he should have verbally addressed that with the guy.   He should have done pretty much anything other than what he did.  I mean, worse case a guy without a license gets away that day....

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[sys]

most non-murderous humans don't even need training to know that if you're holding onto a car door and the car starts slowly moving that letting go of the door is a more ethical way to avoid being dragged than shooting the car's driver in the head.

[sys]

I really hope EDN is trolling our assess off

nope, he really is a monster.  he has a history on this board.