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'17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« on: March 10, 2018, 03:16:57 PM »
kstate fans seem significantly happier with this team than last year's team, which was objectively better.

i'm curious why. 


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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2018, 03:33:31 PM »
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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2018, 03:58:01 PM »
kstate fans seem significantly happier with this team than last year's team, which was objectively better.

i'm curious why.

They were worse, but they were more consistent. This year's team was clearly not good enough to beat other good teams, but they were good enough to beat the average to bad teams if they played consistently to their ceiling in those games.
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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2018, 04:03:02 PM »
kstate fans seem significantly happier with this team than last year's team, which was objectively better.

i'm curious why.

They were worse, but they were more consistent. This year's team was clearly not good enough to beat other good teams, but they were good enough to beat the average to bad teams if they played consistently to their ceiling in those games.
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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2018, 04:26:05 PM »
Sorry but I was told this was oscar's second best team. Who should I believe?

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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2018, 04:35:40 PM »
because being oscar’s second best team is a badge of honor


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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2018, 04:39:33 PM »
Our most likeable players from last year are back this year. Plus finishing well in the top half of the Big 12 in a year when it has been more hyped than ever.

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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2018, 04:57:06 PM »
I don’t think that it’s about likable players- we should like our players regardless



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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2018, 05:46:11 PM »
I don’t agree with the premise
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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2018, 05:59:39 PM »
Well there’s a difference between likeable and most likeable.

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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2018, 05:59:41 PM »
I don’t agree with the premise

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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2018, 06:06:22 PM »
I’m going by tournament seeding (the true objective measure)
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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2018, 06:07:20 PM »
Sorry but I was told this was oscar's second best team. Who should I believe?

it depends on what you're interested in - relative achievement or absolute quality.
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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2018, 06:09:12 PM »
Our most likeable players from last year are back this year. Plus finishing well in the top half of the Big 12 in a year when it has been more hyped than ever.

i thought of that.  it can't hurt that johnson is no longer in the picture.
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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2018, 06:14:13 PM »
I’m going by tournament seeding (the true objective measure)

that's a relative measure.  it's objective, but relative.  per kenpom, the average big 12 team is about 3 points worse this year than last.
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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2018, 06:16:29 PM »
I don’t agree with the premise

He's going by kenpom.

do you disagree with the rating?
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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2018, 06:25:41 PM »
I don’t agree with the premise

He's going by kenpom.

do you disagree with the rating?

The math is the math.

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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2018, 06:29:07 PM »
Oscar keeping his mouth shut this year about his hard chart.  People like this team but don't love it. Not much excitement.  No one is masturbating in Aggieville over this team. Hunch is popular though

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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2018, 06:56:02 PM »


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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2018, 07:43:03 PM »
I don’t agree with the premise

He's going by kenpom.

do you disagree with the rating?

It's a blatant misapplication, but I'm sure you knew that. What an incredibly dumbass way to attempt to justify a flawed premise.

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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2018, 07:45:03 PM »
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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2018, 07:57:42 PM »
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If he were actually interested in the conversation the answer is so obvious it'd be a three post thread.

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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2018, 08:58:12 PM »
I think the biggest similarity between last year's team and this year's team is that neither can hold the jock of an actually good team, let alone a great team. This year's team was probably a little more consistent against the mediocre/bad teams, and definitely better on the road.

What I'm trying to say is, I think this team has NIT championship potential at the same calibur potential of making the round of 32 and then getting curb stomped.

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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2018, 10:21:54 PM »
It's a blatant misapplication, but I'm sure you knew that. What an incredibly dumbass way to attempt to justify a flawed premise.

i don't think it is, in what way do you think it is?



If he were actually interested in the conversation the answer is so obvious it'd be a three post thread.

i wouldn't have posed the question if i wasn't interested in what people's thoughts were.  i have various half-formed theories of my own, but i'm interested in what other people believe.
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Re: '17 ksu the cats vs '18 ksu the cats
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2018, 10:24:36 PM »
I think the biggest similarity between last year's team and this year's team is that neither can hold the jock of an actually good team, let alone a great team.

last year's team beat #7 wvu and beat #13 baylor twice.
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