Author Topic: Is oscar ruining Claws? (Read 20469 times)

renocat · « **on:** January 22, 2016, 10:23:55 AM »

I am concerned by Claws downward development spiral. I have never seen oscar's ability to coach big players.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2016, 10:33:37 AM »

No. He's got talent, but not elite talent. Most of these guys that aren't certain future pros are going to have a lull in their first season at some point. Not worried about it really.

CHONGS · « **Reply #2 on:** January 22, 2016, 11:11:10 AM »

Quote from: royals&ksu_FAN on January 22, 2016, 10:33:37 AM

No. He's got talent, but not elite talent. Most of these guys that aren't certain future pros are going to have a lull in their first season at some point. Not worried about it really.

I could be way off base in my comparos, but he reminds me a lot of a taller Jamar for some reason.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 22, 2016, 11:13:38 AM »

Quote from: Chingon on January 22, 2016, 11:11:10 AM

Quote from: royals&ksu_FAN on January 22, 2016, 10:33:37 AM
No. He's got talent, but not elite talent. Most of these guys that aren't certain future pros are going to have a lull in their first season at some point. Not worried about it really.
I could be way off base in my comparos, but he reminds me a lot of a taller Jamar for some reason.

Not bad, but I think Claws will be a way better shooter. Jamar was way more athletic.

CHONGS · « **Reply #4 on:** January 22, 2016, 11:14:18 AM »

Was he?

kso_FAN · « **Reply #5 on:** January 22, 2016, 11:15:58 AM »

Quote from: Chingon on January 22, 2016, 11:11:10 AM

Quote from: royals&ksu_FAN on January 22, 2016, 10:33:37 AM
No. He's got talent, but not elite talent. Most of these guys that aren't certain future pros are going to have a lull in their first season at some point. Not worried about it really.
I could be way off base in my comparos, but he reminds me a lot of a taller Jamar for some reason.

I think that's a solid comparo.

Gooch · « **Reply #6 on:** January 22, 2016, 11:16:20 AM »

Jamar destroys Claws on the adorable scale.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 22, 2016, 11:18:17 AM »

Quote from: Chingon on January 22, 2016, 11:14:18 AM

Was he?

I think so, but it's a really good comparison.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #8 on:** January 22, 2016, 11:20:57 AM »

Quote from: Gooch on January 22, 2016, 11:16:20 AM

Jamar destroys Claws on the adorable scale.

RAWP!

CNS · « **Reply #9 on:** January 22, 2016, 11:23:32 AM »

DNR thread, but the answer to OP is yes. Claws needs development and oscar is not his guy for that.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #10 on:** January 22, 2016, 11:28:50 AM »

Last year he was playing maybe 2 quarters a night while destroying 2A competition. I'm not at all surprised that he's wearing down a bit, he has never been conditioned to play like this. That's the biggest problem with coming from a small KS school, but with his talent he'll be fine.

ksupamplemousse · « **Reply #11 on:** January 22, 2016, 12:14:45 PM »

My concern is that oscar's offense is not putting him in positions to succeed. Got to shoot to get out of a slump, but he doesn't seem to be getting the ball in a position to shoot very often at all.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #12 on:** January 22, 2016, 12:16:54 PM »

Quote from: ksupamplemousse on January 22, 2016, 12:14:45 PM

My concern is that oscar's offense is not putting him in positions to succeed. Got to shoot to get out of a slump, but he doesn't seem to be getting the ball in a position to shoot very often at all.

How many wide open looks did he have from the high post against Baylor's zone? He took 12 shots, most on the team in that game.

SdK · « **Reply #13 on:** January 22, 2016, 12:31:11 PM »

Sourgrapefruit

ksupamplemousse · « **Reply #14 on:** January 22, 2016, 12:32:39 PM »

Quote from: royals&ksu_FAN on January 22, 2016, 12:16:54 PM

Quote from: ksupamplemousse on January 22, 2016, 12:14:45 PM
My concern is that oscar's offense is not putting him in positions to succeed. Got to shoot to get out of a slump, but he doesn't seem to be getting the ball in a position to shoot very often at all.

How many wide open looks did he have from the high post against Baylor's zone? He took 12 shots, most on the team in that game.

No, you're right. Went back and looked at the numbers, and he's shooting plenty. I must just mentally block out his misses or something, he really hasn't seemed that involved at all to me, but he is in fact getting plenty of shots up.

Ptolemy · « **Reply #15 on:** January 22, 2016, 12:42:46 PM »

He's Shawn Rhoads with a 3-point shot.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #16 on:** January 22, 2016, 12:51:55 PM »

Quote from: Ptolemy on January 22, 2016, 12:42:46 PM

He's Shawn Rhoads with a 3-point shot.

3PT shooting was the one thing Shawn Rhoads did best. Wade appears to be better at almost every other basketball related skill so far.

dal9 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 22, 2016, 02:32:51 PM »

He needs to sack up a little bit, especially on Defense and the boards. The generous interpretation is that the coaches told him to be careful about picking up fouls and he has taken it to too much to heart.

Skipper44 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 22, 2016, 03:51:12 PM »

Quote from: ksupamplemousse on January 22, 2016, 12:14:45 PM

My concern is that oscar's offense is not putting him in positions to succeed. Got to shoot to get out of a slump, but he doesn't seem to be getting the ball in a position to shoot very often at all.

even tho he is 0fer the conference season outside of the TT game I still want oscar to run a couple of sets that get him a 3 every game. The only chance we have of escaping low/medium status in the next 3 years is if Claws can space the floor, imo

michigancat · « **Reply #19 on:** January 22, 2016, 03:52:57 PM »

tougher competition is having an effect. (Like it is the whole team)

Ptolemy · « **Reply #20 on:** January 22, 2016, 04:17:57 PM »

Quote from: royals&ksu_FAN on January 22, 2016, 12:51:55 PM

3PT shooting was the one thing Shawn Rhoads did best. Wade appears to be better at almost every other basketball related skill so far.

G FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% A S B PTS REB
RHODES YR1 28 50 113 .442 40 84 .476 10 29 .345 24 37 .649 27 13 24 134 103

WADE YR1 18 65 152 .428 65 152 .428 12 46 .261 44 64 .688 16 11 11 186 110

Partial year 1 for Wade, but it's pretty much Rhodes with (at least belief in) a 3-point shot.

Damn I'm good!

kso_FAN · « **Reply #21 on:** January 22, 2016, 04:45:45 PM »

Wade is a much better rebounder and gets to the FT line much more. Rhoads was a better shower. I think Wade had more upside.

kitten_mittons · « **Reply #22 on:** January 22, 2016, 05:04:57 PM »

They also both had really terrible coaches! Very similar!

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#LIFE · « **Reply #23 on:** January 22, 2016, 05:59:26 PM »

Quote from: kitten_mittons on January 22, 2016, 05:04:57 PM

They also both had really terrible coaches! Very similar!

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oscar might be WCOAT at player development

kso_FAN · « **Reply #24 on:** January 26, 2016, 12:14:41 PM »

https://twitter.com/kstatesports/status/692046344848953344