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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #775 on: June 11, 2018, 03:28:30 PM »
Ignored Ferguson and the #BLM movement. His own home city is the most corrupt city in the U.S. etc. but yeah, he was half black too.

30 seconds on google falsifies the first two (without arguing the point of whether ignoring a racially divisive issue is racially divisive).  the latter is entirely nonsensical.
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #776 on: June 11, 2018, 03:34:31 PM »
Did you lose your memory? If those two occurrences played out like they did under Trump, we’d be in the middle of a civil war for how poorly it was managed. But Obama was Cavalier as a shitty leader, so ho hum.

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #777 on: June 11, 2018, 03:41:54 PM »
memory is less reliable than archival evidence, inane counterfactuals aside.
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #778 on: June 11, 2018, 03:45:34 PM »
Yes, case closed, obviously!

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #779 on: June 11, 2018, 03:49:09 PM »
retraction accepted, thank you.
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #780 on: June 11, 2018, 04:09:54 PM »
Ignored Ferguson and the #BLM movement. His own home city is the most corrupt city in the U.S. etc. but yeah, he was half black too.


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how do you even quantify corruption? And what does your hometown have to do with your ethics?

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #781 on: June 11, 2018, 04:18:26 PM »
Ignored Ferguson and the #BLM movement. His own home city is the most corrupt city in the U.S. etc. but yeah, he was half black too.


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They'll never acknowledge what a fuckup obama was. Some dumbass will even argue chicago isn't corrupt or that obama "the police acted stupidly" "travon looks like my son" etc etc didn't stoke racial tensions with police.
 
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #782 on: June 11, 2018, 04:24:37 PM »
If you can’t make progress in your own state, you probably shouldn’t be leading a nation, I honestly kinda feel bad for him. Just a desperate party all around.

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #783 on: June 11, 2018, 04:31:38 PM »
If you can’t make progress in your own state, you probably shouldn’t be leading a nation, I honestly kinda feel bad for him. Just a desperate party all around.
Wait. You think a potential POTUS should have experience and success on a smaller scale before you feel they are worthy of your vote?

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« Reply #784 on: June 11, 2018, 04:33:54 PM »
am i to understand that your argument that obama's presidency was racially divisive is that he made insufficient progress combating corruption as an illinois state senator?
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« Reply #785 on: June 11, 2018, 04:35:45 PM »
If you can’t make progress in your own state, you probably shouldn’t be leading a nation, I honestly kinda feel bad for him. Just a desperate party all around.

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Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996, succeeding Democratic State Senator Alice Palmer from Illinois's 13th District, which, at that time, spanned Chicago South Side neighborhoods from Hyde Park–Kenwood south to South Shore and west to Chicago Lawn.[114] Once elected, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation that reformed ethics and health care laws.[115] He sponsored a law that increased tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare.[116] In 2001, as co-chairman of the bipartisan Joint Committee on Administrative Rules, Obama supported Republican Governor Ryan's payday loan regulations and predatory mortgage lending regulations aimed at averting home foreclosures.[117]

He was reelected to the Illinois Senate in 1998, defeating Republican Yesse Yehudah in the general election, and was re-elected again in 2002.[118] In 2000, he lost a Democratic primary race for Illinois's 1st congressional district in the United States House of Representatives to four-term incumbent Bobby Rush by a margin of two to one.[119]

In January 2003, Obama became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee when Democrats, after a decade in the minority, regained a majority.[120] He sponsored and led unanimous, bipartisan passage of legislation to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they detained, and legislation making Illinois the first state to mandate videotaping of homicide interrogations.[116][121] During his 2004 general election campaign for the U.S. Senate, police representatives credited Obama for his active engagement with police organizations in enacting death penalty reforms.[122] Obama resigned from the Illinois Senate in November 2004 following his election to the U.S. Senate.[123]

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #786 on: June 11, 2018, 04:37:41 PM »
Lol :lol:

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #787 on: June 11, 2018, 04:40:11 PM »
i hope @Kat Kid gets this thread back on track by offering his opinion on the UVA punishment.


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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #788 on: June 11, 2018, 05:02:30 PM »
#zaps all over this bitch
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #789 on: June 11, 2018, 05:09:44 PM »
am i to understand that your argument that obama's presidency was racially divisive is that he made insufficient progress combating corruption as an illinois state senator?

Does the City of Chicago receive any state funding?

SysBot won't answer of course.

Chicago's schools receive state funding and they are considered some of the worst public schools in the country.   I'm sure Chicago likely receives state funds for things like transportation and similar.

   

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« Reply #790 on: June 11, 2018, 06:41:40 PM »
i hope @Kat Kid gets this thread back on track by offering his opinion on the UVA punishment.

You hit on my point.  The irony of forcing someone to write a paper on free speech and have it approved by the dean of their college because they violated free speech codes is what hit me about it.

I just legitimately never saw much consideration of the consequences of no platforming for as much criticism as it got. I think it had been implied that this was an action that had the tacit approval of the academy (or depending on your level of paranoia) that it was some key tool in the Marxist indoctrination playbook being unleashed on the nations youth by marxist revolutionary professors.


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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #791 on: June 11, 2018, 10:48:13 PM »
i hope @Kat Kid gets this thread back on track by offering his opinion on the UVA punishment.

You hit on my point.  The irony of forcing someone to write a paper on free speech and have it approved by the dean of their college because they violated free speech codes is what hit me about it.

I just legitimately never saw much consideration of the consequences of no platforming for as much criticism as it got. I think it had been implied that this was an action that had the tacit approval of the academy (or depending on your level of paranoia) that it was some key tool in the Marxist indoctrination playbook being unleashed on the nations youth by marxist revolutionary professors.


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Yeah.  Definitely some incongruencies.  It's not how I would've handled it.


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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #792 on: June 12, 2018, 09:26:51 AM »
as dlew also pointed out, since we don't know what she did, we have no basis for deciding if the punishment is apt.  in a larger sense; however, it is completely appropriate for an educational institution to impose a punishment that is educational in nature.  that's not even vaguely ironic.
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« Reply #793 on: June 12, 2018, 10:29:59 AM »
as dlew also pointed out, since we don't know what she did, we have no basis for deciding if the punishment is apt.  in a larger sense; however, it is completely appropriate for an educational institution to impose a punishment that is educational in nature.  that's not even vaguely ironic.
you may be right.  i would want to see what the prompt actually is - which was left pretty vague in the tweet.  if it's aimed at getting the student to merely understand (as distinct from agreeing with) the underlying rationales of free speech rights or free discourse, then i don't think i'd have an issue with it.  no harm in that. 

i would take issue if the prompt required her to actually profess that free discourse is beneficial or important.


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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #795 on: June 14, 2018, 02:00:45 PM »
i find his voice/accent combination addictive.  i wish we could get a bunch of eastern canadian tenors (i guess tenor ???) to replace all of our radio and tv personalities.
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« Reply #796 on: June 14, 2018, 02:33:14 PM »
i find his voice/accent combination addictive.  i wish we could get a bunch of eastern canadian tenors (i guess tenor ???) to replace all of our radio and tv personalities.
I've noticed this too - especially how he pronounces "God."  "Gwoughd"


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« Reply #797 on: June 14, 2018, 03:32:48 PM »
Yea his voice is amaze
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #798 on: June 14, 2018, 06:04:00 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/us/politics/campus-speech-protests.html

Finally, we can have free speech on college campuses by expelling student protestors and by compelling campuses to be open forums for Nazis and whomever else some campus organization troll wants to invite.

Incredible, no one could have foreseen this "free speech defense" rhetoric being cynically manipulated.

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“You did it for underrepresented students, do it for underrepresented points of view,” said Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee and the chairman of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions. In his comments, which he made at a New York Times conference on higher education last month, Mr. Alexander said that if colleges did not prioritize political diversity, they risked graduating a generation of overly squeamish adults.

“We don’t want a whole generation of students who have to go to a safe room when they read an offensive tweet,” he said. “They need to learn how to deal with that in our society.”

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #799 on: June 14, 2018, 06:19:10 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/us/politics/campus-speech-protests.html

Finally, we can have free speech on college campuses by expelling student protestors and by compelling campuses to be open forums for Nazis and whomever else some campus organization troll wants to invite.

Incredible, no one could have foreseen this "free speech defense" rhetoric being cynically manipulated.

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“You did it for underrepresented students, do it for underrepresented points of view,” said Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee and the chairman of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions. In his comments, which he made at a New York Times conference on higher education last month, Mr. Alexander said that if colleges did not prioritize political diversity, they risked graduating a generation of overly squeamish adults.

“We don’t want a whole generation of students who have to go to a safe room when they read an offensive tweet,” he said. “They need to learn how to deal with that in our society.”
I'm not sure exactly what your vague criticism is, but I imagine we agree that there's a difference between protest and interfering with someone else's speech. 

I of course have no issue with protests so long as they're non-violent and don't interfere with others' ability to listen or be heard. 
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