Coaching Carousel Master Thread (MAYBE FEATURING THE KSU CATS?)

[bones129]

I don't know what some of you are doing with the Texas and Alabama jobs.  They are for all intents and purposes the same job.  Yes, Texas is absolutely better but all of the things people trumpet that makes Texas great, Alabama has the same elements. 

They both have all the money a basketball program needs. They both are football schools in football states which leads to not nearly as much pressure on the basketball coach. They both play in conferences with one blue blood and a bunch of other schools that can easily be passed. They both have close access to many talented players. Alabama recruits Georgia, Florida,  Mississippi, Tennessee, and Louisiana just as easily as UT recruits east and west Texas.

If he's offered both UT is the better choice because they're more ready to win now but Alabama isn't nearly the pit some of you think it is. The $3 million was a starting point, Parrish said he wouldn't be surprised if they went to 4 or 5 for 3Gs.  He also said that Alabama will commit to improving facilities. Mike Slive apparently sent a directive to the schools outlining why it is important that they take basketball seriously. Finally Parrish said that Nick Saban will be actively involved in the bid for Marshall. He thinks Gregg will leave WSU for Alabama but will take UT if it's offered.

Very interesting if true. Can't see Marshall staying where he is his entire career.

[wetwillie]

4 milly is top 5 salary isnt it?  I was thinking that was more than thad, billy and izzo make.  5 million would be jaw dropping.

[bones129]

4 milly is top 5 salary isnt it?  I was thinking that was more than thad, billy and izzo make.  5 million would be jaw dropping.

'Bama wants it all. A natty in the big sports.

[MakeItRain]

4 milly is top 5 salary isnt it?  I was thinking that was more than thad, billy and izzo make.  5 million would be jaw dropping.

On his podcast Parrish mentioned 7 years $28 million.

[michigancat]

I don't know what some of you are doing with the Texas and Alabama jobs.  They are for all intents and purposes the same job.  Yes, Texas is absolutely better but all of the things people trumpet that makes Texas great, Alabama has the same elements. 

They both have all the money a basketball program needs. They both are football schools in football states which leads to not nearly as much pressure on the basketball coach. They both play in conferences with one blue blood and a bunch of other schools that can easily be passed. They both have close access to many talented players. Alabama recruits Georgia, Florida,  Mississippi, Tennessee, and Louisiana just as easily as UT recruits east and west Texas.

If he's offered both UT is the better choice because they're more ready to win now but Alabama isn't nearly the pit some of you think it is. The $3 million was a starting point, Parrish said he wouldn't be surprised if they went to 4 or 5 for 3Gs.  He also said that Alabama will commit to improving facilities. Mike Slive apparently sent a directive to the schools outlining why it is important that they take basketball seriously. Finally Parrish said that Nick Saban will be actively involved in the bid for Marshall. He thinks Gregg will leave WSU for Alabama but will take UT if it's offered.

The fact that Texas can easily win now is a pretty major difference.

[bones129]

Greg is now in the spotlight.   

[MakeItRain]

I don't know what some of you are doing with the Texas and Alabama jobs.  They are for all intents and purposes the same job.  Yes, Texas is absolutely better but all of the things people trumpet that makes Texas great, Alabama has the same elements. 

They both have all the money a basketball program needs. They both are football schools in football states which leads to not nearly as much pressure on the basketball coach. They both play in conferences with one blue blood and a bunch of other schools that can easily be passed. They both have close access to many talented players. Alabama recruits Georgia, Florida,  Mississippi, Tennessee, and Louisiana just as easily as UT recruits east and west Texas.

If he's offered both UT is the better choice because they're more ready to win now but Alabama isn't nearly the pit some of you think it is. The $3 million was a starting point, Parrish said he wouldn't be surprised if they went to 4 or 5 for 3Gs.  He also said that Alabama will commit to improving facilities. Mike Slive apparently sent a directive to the schools outlining why it is important that they take basketball seriously. Finally Parrish said that Nick Saban will be actively involved in the bid for Marshall. He thinks Gregg will leave WSU for Alabama but will take UT if it's offered.

The fact that Texas can easily win now is a pretty major difference.

Of course, but the point is that Alabama isn't some dog.  The advantage UT has now is almost solely attributable to Barnes. Also most competitive guys will absolutely think they can win at Alabama quickly.

[MakeItRain]

Greg is now in the spotlight.   

He has been for the last two seasons. He wanted UCLA but they wouldn't wait for WSUs final four run to end.  Last year there wasn't a job good enough or a marginal job willing to pay him $4 million a year.

[MakeItRain]

I also want to talk about what Mississippi State did to Rick Ray

Yes they were no good after his third year but when he took over the entire team was in Mississippi State's drug program. Pretty tough to get a team cleaned up, improve the grades and improve the apr, and win at a place like Mississippi State. So he cleans up the program and they repay him by working with Adidas to work out a deal with another coach while he still has a job. Also eff Ben Howland for doing that to another coach.

I wish the BCA actually had some power because this is the type of bullshit they fight against.

[kso_FAN]

I didn't know that stuff about Miss St when Ray got there. He did take over a program that won a little bit under Stansbury though and Ray's teams were awful. It would be hard to be patient with very little sign that the program was getting better.

And if Alabama is truly willing to double Gregg's salary, he should absolutely listen. What is the max Wichita will go to keep him? $2 Mil? $2.5?

[TownieCat]

Not sure about the full story on Stansbury, but he "retired" after a 21 win season. The program may have had some off the court problems but it was still winning. Ray lost 19+ games all three years.

[Kat Kid]

I didn't know that stuff about Miss St when Ray got there. He did take over a program that won a little bit under Stansbury though and Ray's teams were awful. It would be hard to be patient with very little sign that the program was getting better.

And if Alabama is truly willing to double Gregg's salary, he should absolutely listen. What is the max Wichita will go to keep him? $2 Mil? $2.5?

I have no idea what WSU's athletics budget is but driving that entire budget is hoops so I have a hard time seeing how they wouldn't make more of an effort to keep him.

[pissclams]

fire up the d@x signal
if anyone knows their budget, it would be him

[michigancat]

Of course, but the point is that Alabama isn't some dog.  The advantage UT has now is almost solely attributable to Barnes. Also most competitive guys will absolutely think they can win at Alabama quickly.

I agree. I'm pretty sure I said he should consider Bama if Grant had improved the program and went for greener pastures. I don't think Barnes should be fired, because you're absolutely right that they are comparable to schools like Bama and LSU and he has blown them out of the water.

[kso_FAN]

Not sure about the full story on Stansbury, but he "retired" after a 21 win season. The program may have had some off the court problems but it was still winning. Ray lost 19+ games all three years.

Yeah, I don't know either. I'm sure MIR is correct that the program was a mess when he arrived, but I would think Ray could make more push than he did in 3 years. The guy lost 62% of his games (75% in conference) and beat 5 total Top 100 teams over his first 3 seasons.

Also, I'm sure Stansbury is the probably the ultimate Bruceketball nightmare.

1998–99   Mississippi State   20–13   8–8   T–3rd (West)   NIT 1st Round
1999–00   Mississippi State   14–16   5–11   T–5th (West)   
2000–01   Mississippi State   18–13   7–9   T–4th (West)   NIT Quarterfinals
2001–02   Mississippi State   27–8   10–6   2nd (West)   NCAA 2nd Round
2002–03   Mississippi State   21–10   9–7   1st (West)   NCAA 1st Round
2003–04   Mississippi State   26–4   14–2   1st (West)   NCAA 2nd Round
2004–05   Mississippi State   23–11   9–7   3rd (West)   NCAA 2nd Round
2005–06   Mississippi State   15–15   5–11   5th (West)   
2006–07   Mississippi State   21–14   8–8   T–1st (West)   NIT Final Four
2007–08   Mississippi State   23–11   12–4   1st (West)   NCAA 2nd Round
2008–09   Mississippi State   23–13   9–7   3rd (West)   NCAA 1st Round
2009–10   Mississippi State   24–12   9–7   T–1st (West)   NIT 2nd Round
2010–11   Mississippi State   17–13   9–7   2nd (West)   
2011–12   Mississippi State   21–12   8–8   T–6th   NIT 1st Round

Mississippi State:   293–165 (.641)   122–102 (.545)   

[Havs]

SEC basketball 

[michigancat]

Do white guys ever get fired after three seasons?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Do white guys ever get fired after three seasons?

Billy Clyde recently was fired after less than three.

[Havs]

Do white guys ever get fired after three seasons?

You have to be REALLY bad... 38-57 bad... like, get blown out by Greg McDermott twice bad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Lickliter

[Skipper44]

usually they have to go full Billy Clyde

[michigancat]

Do white guys ever get fired after three seasons?

Billy Clyde recently was fired after less than three.

TWICE!!!

[Rage Against the McKee]

LOL 3 years is BCG's longest stint at any school.

[kso_FAN]

Do white guys ever get fired after three seasons?

You have to be REALLY bad... 38-57 bad... like, get blown out by Greg McDermott twice bad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Lickliter

Lickliter and Ray had nearly identical records over 3 years.

[Skipper44]

everyone's favorite polo shirt model Pat Knight was also fired after 3 seasons (twice if you don't count Bob bailing mid season)

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

If the BCA wants to make sure no black coaches ever get hired, they should cry racism every time a black coach is fired for failing miserably.