Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 01:11:14 PM
Walked into a bad situation. Recruits better and has a better system.
Post by: bucket on October 13, 2013, 01:16:39 PM
G-Patts too probably
Post by: chum1 on October 13, 2013, 01:18:11 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 13, 2013, 01:19:19 PM
Post by: Panjandrum on October 13, 2013, 01:28:08 PM
He's a better game day coach, IMO. I won't argue there.
Post by: steve dave on October 13, 2013, 01:30:34 PM
I don't disagree in some respects, but it's easier to recruit to a good Texas program than it is to a good Kansas program.
He's a better game day coach, IMO. I won't argue there.
The "it's easier to recruit to Baylor than to K-State" talking point is pretty dumb fwiw
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 13, 2013, 01:30:48 PM
Now 3-1 vs Snyder.
Walked into a bad situation. Recruits better and has a better system.
He couldn't beat Snyder with a Heisman winner. His highest finish in the Big XII was 3rd. He's had 1 season where they were ranked at the end of the season.
Post by: kslim on October 13, 2013, 01:31:17 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 13, 2013, 01:32:44 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 13, 2013, 01:37:07 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 01:38:35 PM
39 wins so far with Briles in 5.5 seasons with Briles, and that includes 3 seasons with a Big 12 South schedule.
Briles vs Snyder: Briles 3 Wins, Snyder 1 Win
Post by: Fill My Bill on October 13, 2013, 01:47:44 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on October 13, 2013, 01:55:06 PM
Now 3-1 vs Snyder.
Walked into a bad situation. Recruits better and has a better system.
You are an idiot. But so very edgy and controversial. But still an idiot.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 13, 2013, 01:56:33 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on October 13, 2013, 01:59:12 PM
LHC LHC Bill Snyder has won the Big XII coach of the year 4 times.. Art Briles-0 which means Bill is 4x the coach Briles is.. because math bitch
Infinity times better; which means it isn't even close
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 02:03:42 PM
Baylor did not get their version of Vanier and an Indoor practice facility until after Briles arrived (sound familiar).
They averaged 3.3 wins a year in the 10 years prior to Briles, they'll more than double that average in 6 seasons under Briles.
When Briles came into the conference Brown, Stoops, Gundy and Leach were in the Big 12 South and in his first 3 seasons he had to play a full Big 12 South Schedule. (there's a reason why Snyder wants 2 divisions).
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 13, 2013, 02:05:09 PM
Post by: hemmy on October 13, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on October 13, 2013, 02:07:32 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 02:08:11 PM
Soooo... are you saying that is more impressive than Snyder's turn around?
No, but it's okay to admit that there's now another coach in the league who you can say owns Snyder.
Stoops, Gundy, now Briles.
Post by: bucket on October 13, 2013, 02:10:29 PM
Soooo... are you saying that is more impressive than Snyder's turn around?
Yes. Do you remember Baylor in the early 2000's?
Post by: star seed 7 on October 13, 2013, 02:12:23 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 02:18:56 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 13, 2013, 02:26:08 PM
Post by: chum1 on October 13, 2013, 02:26:37 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 02:27:43 PM
dax reminds me of the character lennie from of mice and men
You're just angry because you're realizing there's likely going to be another coach in the Big 12 who will own Snyder. Younger, does the things that kids like, has a prolific and exciting offense built off of speed and talent.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 13, 2013, 02:29:18 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 02:30:39 PM
nope not angry. keep strangling that puppy with all of your love though
Head-to-head the numbers don't lie, and the reality that he inherited a really bad football program facing the toughest teams in the conference every year say all there is to know.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 13, 2013, 02:33:53 PM
wut?nope not angry. keep strangling that puppy with all of your love though
Head-to-head the numbers don't lie, and the reality that he inherited a really bad football program facing the toughest teams in the conference every year say all there is to know.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 02:35:52 PM
Briles had Brown, Leach, Stoops and Gundy and AtM was still in the conference.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 13, 2013, 02:37:31 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 02:43:15 PM
:lol:
In four tries, Snyder has beaten Briles once.
Doesn't get any more clear than that.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 13, 2013, 02:44:38 PM
wut?:lol:
In four tries, Snyder has beaten Briles once.
Doesn't get any more clear than that.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 02:45:28 PM
wut?:lol:
In four tries, Snyder has beaten Briles once.
Doesn't get any more clear than that.
You've got nothing but your odd Tuck like anger with reality.
Sad
Post by: chum1 on October 13, 2013, 02:46:42 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 13, 2013, 02:50:28 PM
wut?:lol:
In four tries, Snyder has beaten Briles once.
Doesn't get any more clear than that.
You've got nothing but your odd Tuck like anger with reality.
Sad
Snyder: 1-3 vs Art Briles Baylor teams.
Now 3-1 vs Snyder.:cyclist:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 02:52:28 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 13, 2013, 02:55:06 PM
:love:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Reality is we have the reigning National Coach of the Year! :bill:
:love:
That Briles absolutely destroyed.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 13, 2013, 03:01:22 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 13, 2013, 03:03:23 PM
'grats!Reality is we have the reigning National Coach of the Year! :bill:
:love:
That Briles absolutely destroyed.
Post by: DQ12 on October 13, 2013, 03:11:16 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 03:15:05 PM
Dax, do you think LHC LHC Bill Snyder is a good football coach? Because you complain about him a lot, his system, his "slothfence" etc.
Sure
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 13, 2013, 03:16:11 PM
:love:
Post by: bucket on October 13, 2013, 03:32:55 PM
Post by: CHONGS on October 13, 2013, 03:46:45 PM
Post by: eastcat on October 13, 2013, 03:54:57 PM
LHC Bill Snyder>> Pete Carroll
:love:
lol
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 13, 2013, 04:22:56 PM
but bill owns al golden who was (is?) the greatest coach of all time?
oh my.
Post by: jgtbh on October 13, 2013, 05:19:31 PM
Reality is we have the reigning National Coach of the Year! :bill:
:love:
That Briles absolutely destroyed.
This girl and her friend with Leprosy have something to say to you and Glasco Martin... don't let it hurt your feelings... Glasco didn't
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgifti.me%2Fi%2FnmvUC.gif&hash=64eae5bfa33bb1cb44b7dab628fb1497f2033a39)
Post by: wiley on October 13, 2013, 05:57:20 PM
Soooo... are you saying that is more impressive than Snyder's turn around?
No, but it's okay to admit that there's now another coach in the league who you can say owns Snyder.
Stoops, Gundy, now Briles.
Just replaced Leach, nothing new
Post by: hemmy on October 13, 2013, 06:07:20 PM
Soooo... are you saying that is more impressive than Snyder's turn around?
No, but it's okay to admit that there's now another coach in the league who you can say owns Snyder.
Stoops, Gundy, now Briles.
So the fact that a vastly superior Baylor team almost got beat by a crap KSU team (which would have made it 2-2 vs 3-1) now means Briles > Snyder? What if the cats won, would you declare Briles = Snyder?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 06:44:03 PM
Post by: Katpappy on October 13, 2013, 08:57:23 PM
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on October 13, 2013, 09:56:09 PM
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on October 13, 2013, 10:01:14 PM
Who is responsible for assembling the "crap" K-State squad?This admittedly crap KState squad is still better than most of the teams that played before Snyder. It also has plenty of future potential, the team is improving, coaching still needs to improve, but this year doesn't discount all his previous success. If we are bowl eligible, there will be plenty of hope for the team in the future, hopefully Bill will learn from his coaching mistakes. I have not been a fan at all of his coaching decisions thus far, but give me a break.
Post by: Katpappy on October 13, 2013, 10:02:36 PM
Who is responsible for assembling the "crap" K-State squad?SODJ is just like the kid with the red t-shirt in his gif sig; he just wants some attention. As in "look at me, I don't like our coach because he's losing". :runaway:
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 13, 2013, 10:02:54 PM
Post by: Katpappy on October 13, 2013, 10:03:51 PM
Who is responsible for assembling the "crap" K-State squad?This admittedly crap KState squad is still better than most of the teams that played before Snyder. It also has plenty of future potential, the team is improving, coaching still needs to improve, but this year doesn't discount all his previous success. If we are bowl eligible, there will be plenty of hope for the team in the future, hopefully Bill will learn from his coaching mistakes. I have not been a fan at all of his coaching decisions thus far, but give me a break. :D
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on October 13, 2013, 10:15:38 PM
jackstack, shut up:whistle1:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 14, 2013, 07:44:29 AM
He took over at Houston after the dumpster fire our current OC left behind and played a non-conference schedule that Snyder would have dropped like a plate of whipped butter or changed faster than moving the team to the shady side of the plane on a trans-continental flight through multiple time zones (Oregon, Alabama, Michigan, Miss. State, Oklahoma State and Miami). With TCU, Louisville, Southern Miss (when they were good), Central Florida (thank you again EMAW sniper) and East Carolina on the conference schedule in the first 2-3 years, and did well.
Then walked into another dumpster fire at Baylor playing against a Big 12 South schedule and 4 BCS school non-conference games in his first 2 years.
Post by: catzacker on October 14, 2013, 08:31:45 AM
briles has yet to win anything of substance. moving forward, who would I take? Briles. But that doesn't diminish what Bill has done. Bill's accomplishments (to this point) are remarkably better than Briles.
Post by: deputy dawg on October 14, 2013, 08:53:34 AM
Talent differential speaks to recruiting, which is a separate issue. Briles, directly or indirectly, recruits better talent that LHCBS.
Post by: Trim on October 14, 2013, 08:58:36 AM
moving forward, who would I take? Briles. But that doesn't diminish what Bill has done. Bill's accomplishments (to this point) are remarkably better than Briles.
This is the right answer. We should usher Bill into retirement and name a stadium after him or something, and hire Briles.
Post by: Steffy08 on October 14, 2013, 10:07:00 AM
moving forward, who would I take? Briles. But that doesn't diminish what Bill has done. Bill's accomplishments (to this point) are remarkably better than Briles.
This is the right answer. We should usher Bill into retirement and name a stadium after him or something, and hire Briles.
Let's revisit this in 10 years. Then, it will be: LHC Bill Snyder, Hall of Famer, five-time conference coach of the year, three-time national coach of the year, four-time conference champion; national championship in 2014 (first year of playoffs) and playoff semifinalists in 2015.
Briles: Best BU coach since Graft Taft; got BU share of conference in 2013. Then, team underperformed in 2014, finishing 6-3 (and tied for second to champ KSU), and then lack of player discipline and recruiting scandals led to his eventual departure. Produced the best run of BU football since the 1970's, but no Hall of Famer.
Post by: Trim on October 14, 2013, 11:46:40 AM
moving forward, who would I take? Briles. But that doesn't diminish what Bill has done. Bill's accomplishments (to this point) are remarkably better than Briles.
This is the right answer. We should usher Bill into retirement and name a stadium after him or something, and hire Briles.
Let's revisit this in 10 years. Then, it will be: LHC Bill Snyder, Hall of Famer, five-time conference coach of the year, three-time national coach of the year, four-time conference champion; national championship in 2014 (first year of playoffs) and playoff semifinalists in 2015.
Briles: Best BU coach since Graft Taft; got BU share of conference in 2013. Then, team underperformed in 2014, finishing 6-3 (and tied for second to champ KSU), and then lack of player discipline and recruiting scandals led to his eventual departure. Produced the best run of BU football since the 1970's, but no Hall of Famer.
Not if we "fire" Bill now and hire Briles.
Post by: Skipper44 on October 14, 2013, 11:52:07 AM
It is said Briles will never take a job outside of the state of Texas - I am relatively sure Ark offered him and Tenn prolly got involved to some degree. Briles has the potential to become the Snyder of Waco unless UT or ATM come after him and I could see him turning down ATM if he has BU rolling like they are now and the Big 12 is stable.moving forward, who would I take? Briles. But that doesn't diminish what Bill has done. Bill's accomplishments (to this point) are remarkably better than Briles.
This is the right answer. We should usher Bill into retirement and name a stadium after him or something, and hire Briles.
Let's revisit this in 10 years. Then, it will be: LHC LHC Bill Snyder, Hall of Famer, five-time conference coach of the year, three-time national coach of the year, four-time conference champion; national championship in 2014 (first year of playoffs) and playoff semifinalists in 2015.
Briles: Best BU coach since Graft Taft; got BU share of conference in 2013. Then, team underperformed in 2014, finishing 6-3 (and tied for second to champ KSU), and then lack of player discipline and recruiting scandals led to his eventual departure. Produced the best run of BU football since the 1970's, but no Hall of Famer.
Not if we "fire" Bill now and hire Briles.
Post by: Trim on October 14, 2013, 11:59:02 AM
It is said Briles will never take a job outside of the state of Texas - I am relatively sure Ark offered him and Tenn prolly got involved to some degree. Briles has the potential to become the Snyder of Waco unless UT or ATM come after him and I could see him turning down ATM if he has BU rolling like they are now and the Big 12 is stable.moving forward, who would I take? Briles. But that doesn't diminish what Bill has done. Bill's accomplishments (to this point) are remarkably better than Briles.
This is the right answer. We should usher Bill into retirement and name a stadium after him or something, and hire Briles.
Let's revisit this in 10 years. Then, it will be: LHC LHC Bill Snyder, Hall of Famer, five-time conference coach of the year, three-time national coach of the year, four-time conference champion; national championship in 2014 (first year of playoffs) and playoff semifinalists in 2015.
Briles: Best BU coach since Graft Taft; got BU share of conference in 2013. Then, team underperformed in 2014, finishing 6-3 (and tied for second to champ KSU), and then lack of player discipline and recruiting scandals led to his eventual departure. Produced the best run of BU football since the 1970's, but no Hall of Famer.
Not if we "fire" Bill now and hire Briles.
Hmmm... move K-State to Texas?
Post by: Skipper44 on October 14, 2013, 12:00:40 PM
that option will be on the table when Conference Armageddon fires back upIt is said Briles will never take a job outside of the state of Texas - I am relatively sure Ark offered him and Tenn prolly got involved to some degree. Briles has the potential to become the Snyder of Waco unless UT or ATM come after him and I could see him turning down ATM if he has BU rolling like they are now and the Big 12 is stable.moving forward, who would I take? Briles. But that doesn't diminish what Bill has done. Bill's accomplishments (to this point) are remarkably better than Briles.This is the right answer. We should usher Bill into retirement and name a stadium after him or something, and hire Briles.
Let's revisit this in 10 years. Then, it will be: LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder, Hall of Famer, five-time conference coach of the year, three-time national coach of the year, four-time conference champion; national championship in 2014 (first year of playoffs) and playoff semifinalists in 2015.
Briles: Best BU coach since Graft Taft; got BU share of conference in 2013. Then, team underperformed in 2014, finishing 6-3 (and tied for second to champ KSU), and then lack of player discipline and recruiting scandals led to his eventual departure. Produced the best run of BU football since the 1970's, but no Hall of Famer.
Not if we "fire" Bill now and hire Briles.
Hmmm... move K-State to Texas?
Post by: wetwillie on October 14, 2013, 12:25:10 PM
Post by: Trogdor on October 14, 2013, 12:29:23 PM
Watching goEMAW defend Snyder against Dax feels like something out of the twilight zone.
:popcorn:
Post by: Katpappy on October 14, 2013, 12:40:14 PM
Watching goEMAW defend Snyder against Dax feels like something out of the twilight zone.only because he didn't have a Bohl, Brown & Gundy > Snyder. :Carl:
Post by: Steffy08 on October 14, 2013, 12:58:53 PM
Watching goEMAW defend Snyder against Dax feels like something out of the twilight zone.only because he didn't have a Bohl, Brown & Gundy > Snyder. :Carl:
Another way to think about the question:
Could Briles win two conference championships at K-State, starting in 1989 and coaching until now. No way in hell.
Would Snyder have built what he did at K-State if he had been hired at Baylor. Yes.
This will become more clear as time goes on. Briles is a good coach, but he is not at the same level of Snyder. Or Stoops. I don't think he is at the same level of Patterson, either. If I had to pick between Patterson and Briles as my coach for the next 15 years, I would pick Patterson.
Post by: DQ12 on October 14, 2013, 01:00:18 PM
I think Briles is currently the best coach in the conference.Watching goEMAW defend Snyder against Dax feels like something out of the twilight zone.only because he didn't have a Bohl, Brown & Gundy > Snyder. :Carl:
Another way to think about the question:
Could Briles win two conference championships at K-State, starting in 1989 and coaching until now. No way in hell.
Would Snyder have built what he did at K-State if he had been hired at Baylor. Yes.
This will become more clear as time goes on. Briles is a good coach, but he is not at the same level of Snyder. Or Stoops. I don't think he is at the same level of Patterson, either. If I had to pick between Patterson and Briles as my coach for the next 15 years, I would pick Patterson.
Post by: Katpappy on October 14, 2013, 01:03:07 PM
SD and I tend to disagree; it's Mack. ;)I think Briles is currently the best coach in the conference.Watching goEMAW defend Snyder against Dax feels like something out of the twilight zone.only because he didn't have a Bohl, Brown & Gundy > Snyder. :Carl:
Another way to think about the question:
Could Briles win two conference championships at K-State, starting in 1989 and coaching until now. No way in hell.
Would Snyder have built what he did at K-State if he had been hired at Baylor. Yes.
This will become more clear as time goes on. Briles is a good coach, but he is not at the same level of Snyder. Or Stoops. I don't think he is at the same level of Patterson, either. If I had to pick between Patterson and Briles as my coach for the next 15 years, I would pick Patterson.
Post by: nicname on October 14, 2013, 01:11:50 PM
Only Osborne, McCartney and Stopps have had clearly superior programs at concurrent times.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 14, 2013, 01:18:13 PM
I can think of numerous times when Snyder took a clearly superior team into a stadum and barely won. I can think of 2 games during the 1998 season alone, and that doesn't include the two losses that year.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 14, 2013, 01:38:23 PM
Do we really want to talk about taking a clearly superior team into a game and barely hanging on to win?
I can think of numerous times when Snyder took a clearly superior team into a stadum and barely won. I can think of 2 games during the 1998 season alone, and that doesn't include the two losses that year.
WHAT :Wha:
THAT NEVER HAPPENS TO ANYONE EVER.
Post by: 'taterblast on October 14, 2013, 01:39:59 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 14, 2013, 03:07:14 PM
I think Briles is currently the best coach in the conference.Watching goEMAW defend Snyder against Dax feels like something out of the twilight zone.only because he didn't have a Bohl, Brown & Gundy > Snyder. :Carl:
Another way to think about the question:
Could Briles win two conference championships at K-State, starting in 1989 and coaching until now. No way in hell.
Would Snyder have built what he did at K-State if he had been hired at Baylor. Yes.
This will become more clear as time goes on. Briles is a good coach, but he is not at the same level of Snyder. Or Stoops. I don't think he is at the same level of Patterson, either. If I had to pick between Patterson and Briles as my coach for the next 15 years, I would pick Patterson.
Hmmm, good discussion topic. Are talking like, who should win coach of the year this year, or who is going to have the best career when they retire?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 14, 2013, 03:36:33 PM
The list of coaches to have owned Snyder is pretty short. Osborne, McCartney, Barnett went 4-2, Stoops, Gundy is 2-1, Leach, Briles currently 3-1.
Only Osborne, McCartney and Stopps have had clearly superior programs at concurrent times.
I went and looked, and it's pretty ugly. Stoops, Leach, Gundy and Briles are a combined 21-4 head to head against Snyder.
By any measure, that's getting dominated.
Post by: OregonSmock on October 14, 2013, 04:04:04 PM
Post by: deputy dawg on October 14, 2013, 04:06:41 PM
Do we really want to talk about taking a clearly superior team into a game and barely hanging on to win?
I can think of numerous times when Snyder took a clearly superior team into a stadum and barely won. I can think of 2 games during the 1998 season alone, and that doesn't include the two losses that year.
Hey, Dax, I was referring to Snyder's coaching job as being pretty good to hang with Baylor, not criticizing Briles for letting an inferior team hang around.
Post by: TownieCat on October 14, 2013, 04:12:19 PM
Snyder's entire career at K-State has pretty much been smoke and mirrors. Everyone outside of Butthurtville got the memo years ago.
16 of 17, tho. :billdance:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 14, 2013, 04:15:29 PM
Snyder's entire career at K-State has pretty much been smoke and mirrors. Everyone outside of Butthurtville got the memo years ago.
The entire Mangino era at ku was nothing but smoke and mirrors.
Post by: OregonSmock on October 14, 2013, 04:19:31 PM
Snyder's entire career at K-State has pretty much been smoke and mirrors. Everyone outside of Butthurtville got the memo years ago.
The entire Mangino era at ku was nothing but smoke and mirrors.
12-1 Orange Bowl, tho
Post by: catzacker on October 14, 2013, 04:20:46 PM
Post by: TownieCat on October 14, 2013, 04:22:52 PM
Snyder's entire career at K-State has pretty much been smoke and mirrors. Everyone outside of Butthurtville got the memo years ago.
The entireMangino era at ku2007 season was nothing but smoke and mirrors.
Post by: Steffy08 on October 14, 2013, 04:25:28 PM
seems like a pretty straightforward argument here. snyder has accomplished more, is the better coach if you consider everything ever. briles is the better coach right now. will take.
Briles has the better team this season. So, if Snyder has a better team next season, does that mean Snyder is a better coach? And, does that mean that Gene Chizick was the best coach the year he won the national championship?
Post by: 'taterblast on October 14, 2013, 04:26:32 PM
seems like a pretty straightforward argument here. snyder has accomplished more, is the better coach if you consider everything ever. briles is the better coach right now. will take.
Briles has the better team this season. So, if Snyder has a better team next season, does that mean Snyder is a better coach? And, does that mean that Gene Chizick was the best coach the year he won the national championship?
yes, yes, and yes.
Post by: Steffy08 on October 14, 2013, 04:29:24 PM
Snyder's entire career at K-State has pretty much been smoke and mirrors. Everyone outside of Butthurtville got the memo years ago.
You're so cute when you try to talk KU football
Post by: Steffy08 on October 14, 2013, 04:33:07 PM
seems like a pretty straightforward argument here. snyder has accomplished more, is the better coach if you consider everything ever. briles is the better coach right now. will take.
Briles has the better team this season. So, if Snyder has a better team next season, does that mean Snyder is a better coach? And, does that mean that Gene Chizick was the best coach the year he won the national championship?
yes, yes, and yes.
OK, well at least I understand your criteria. Most people consider the question presented in terms of a longer time frame, but that is not the style on this board. It does make the analysis a little easier , though.
Of course, you also understand that this makes oscar Weber a better coach than Frank Martin or Bob Huggins or Lon Kruger......and the same as Bill Self. I'm so glad to know that everybody who is trashing Snyder under this criteria will be applauding Weber.
Post by: 'taterblast on October 14, 2013, 04:35:09 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2013, 04:43:14 PM
Every single person in this thread, steffy being the exception, would trade Snyder in for Art right now. Snyder has had a great career, Briles is now a better coach. How in the hell could anyone reasonably debate this?
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 14, 2013, 04:45:27 PM
1. Stoops
2. Brown
3. Briles
4. Snyder
5. Gundy
No one else will be close.
Kingsbury may very well end up on that list, but it's way too early to tell.
Post by: DQ12 on October 14, 2013, 08:27:03 PM
Hmmm, good discussion topic. Are talking like, who should win coach of the year this year, or who is going to have the best career when they retire?i'm talking about who i would want coaching my team for the next 5 years.
Post by: wetwillie on October 14, 2013, 08:41:52 PM
Here's how I'd look at it. By the time they retire, this is the ranked list of who will have accomplished the most:
1. Stoops
2. Brown
3. Briles
4. Snyder
5. Gundy
No one else will be close.
Kingsbury may very well end up on that list, but it's way too early to tell.
I think Briles could win a natty at a higher profile school, but i don't think he will get one at Baylor if he decides to be baylors Snyder.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2013, 12:55:01 AM
Here's how I'd look at it. By the time they retire, this is the ranked list of who will have accomplished the most:
1. Stoops
2. Brown
3. Briles
4. Snyder
5. Gundy
No one else will be close.
Kingsbury may very well end up on that list, but it's way too early to tell.
I think Briles could win a natty at a higher profile school, but i don't think he will get one at Baylor if he decides to be baylors Snyder.
You do realize it will be easier for him after this season, right? For all intents and purposes the Big 12 champ will get a shot at the national championship
Post by: Steffy08 on October 15, 2013, 06:05:08 AM
I find it hilarious that people are answering Dax' 3-1 talking point with Snyder's number of Big 12 championships and COY awards, as if Briles has been coaching against Snyder for 20 years.
Every single person in this thread, steffy being the exception, would trade Snyder in for Art right now. Snyder has had a great career, Briles is now a better coach. How in the hell could anyone reasonably debate this?
No, I said we need to revisit in 10 years; at that time it will be clear who better coach was and currently is. Why don't you take briles and snyders conference record during Snyder 2.0? Seems like fair comparison. Snyder will have more wins.......even after this year. Snyder is 22-15 and briles is 17-19. Briles had the hèisman trophy winner and still finished behind Snyder in 2011. This isn't even close. You dramatically under appreciate Snyder and overvalue briles, but hey that knee jerk reaction is sooo this board. Briles is a good coach but I think there are going to be problems long term. His teams do not show a great amount of discipline and his approach depends on having better athletes. Briles has really scored with some receivers and seastrunk, but I doubt he will always have the best athletes in the big 12. Ut and ou are down right now, but when they get back to usual and dont think briles can have much success with his style. He won't change his style, and that style sucks unless you have superstars at the skill positions. Plus, I think there will be some discipline and recruiting issues long-term. The way they handled the Dixon assault is telling.....completely swept under the rug.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2013, 12:27:20 PM
Turnovers, penalties, bad angles, poor clock management, terrible footwork at QB, terrible technique in the secondary and on and on and on . . .
We really gonna talk about Art Briles and Baylor lacking discipline?
Post by: pissclams on October 15, 2013, 12:30:07 PM
criteria #1, patriotism. is the coach a true patriot? list examples.
criteria #2, america. how does the coach spend his/her 4th of july holiday?
criteria #3, the red white and blue. does the coach speak any foreign languages? if so, why?
criteria #4, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. how does this coach pursue happiness? vacations at the lake with a bbq and smores like americans do?
criteria #5, these colors don't bleed. does the coach know the meaning of this term and if not, what term do they use to exprese america's global dominance?
go cats
Post by: kso_FAN on October 15, 2013, 12:46:26 PM
there are many different things about coaching that really matter when examining a coach and how their teams perform in the trenches. i feel most of those things have been ignored in this thread.
criteria #1, patriotism. is the coach a true patriot? list examples.
criteria #2, america. how does the coach spend his/her 4th of july holiday?
criteria #3, the red white and blue. does the coach speak any foreign languages? if so, why?
criteria #4, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. how does this coach pursue happiness? vacations at the lake with a bbq and smores like americans do?
criteria #5, these colors don't bleed. does the coach know the meaning of this term and if not, what term do they use to exprese america's global dominance?
go cats
I would guess Briles values the state of Texas (like most weird Texas people) over the good ole US of A.
And frankly, I don't like that.
Not.
One.
Bit.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2013, 12:47:16 PM
I don't compare the records of the two the last 4 years for the same reason I wouldn't compare Briles' first 4 years at Baylor to Snyder's first 4 years at Kansas State. The situations aren't the same so what is gained by comparing the records?I find it hilarious that people are answering Dax' 3-1 talking point with Snyder's number of Big 12 championships and COY awards, as if Briles has been coaching against Snyder for 20 years.
Every single person in this thread, steffy being the exception, would trade Snyder in for Art right now. Snyder has had a great career, Briles is now a better coach. How in the hell could anyone reasonably debate this?
No, I said we need to revisit in 10 years; at that time it will be clear who better coach was and currently is. Why don't you take briles and snyders conference record during Snyder 2.0? Seems like fair comparison. Snyder will have more wins.......even after this year. Snyder is 22-15 and briles is 17-19. Briles had the hèisman trophy winner and still finished behind Snyder in 2011. This isn't even close. You dramatically under appreciate Snyder and overvalue briles, but hey that knee jerk reaction is sooo this board.
I also love how you concluded that I dramatically underappreciated Snyder and overvalued Briles. Where did I place a value on either of them for you to figure that out?
You and landon/timhawk have to be the two worst posters on this board when it comes to logic and conclusions.
Post by: pissclams on October 15, 2013, 12:58:33 PM
there are many different things about coaching that really matter when examining a coach and how their teams perform in the trenches. i feel most of those things have been ignored in this thread.
criteria #1, patriotism. is the coach a true patriot? list examples.
criteria #2, america. how does the coach spend his/her 4th of july holiday?
criteria #3, the red white and blue. does the coach speak any foreign languages? if so, why?
criteria #4, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. how does this coach pursue happiness? vacations at the lake with a bbq and smores like americans do?
criteria #5, these colors don't bleed. does the coach know the meaning of this term and if not, what term do they use to exprese america's global dominance?
go cats
I would guess Briles values the state of Texas (like most weird Texas people) over the good ole US of A.
And frankly, I don't like that.
Not.
One.
Bit.
yup. they fly their own flag at the same height as old glory down there. only state in the union allowed to do so. i wonder why?
Post by: Skipper44 on October 15, 2013, 01:07:23 PM
Plus, I think there will be some discipline and recruiting issues long-term. The way they handled the Dixon assault is telling.....completely swept under the rug.LOL, I guess some fans only see what they want to with Snyder.
Post by: MadCat on October 15, 2013, 01:20:41 PM
there are many different things about coaching that really matter when examining a coach and how their teams perform in the trenches. i feel most of those things have been ignored in this thread.
criteria #1, patriotism. is the coach a true patriot? list examples.
criteria #2, america. how does the coach spend his/her 4th of july holiday?
criteria #3, the red white and blue. does the coach speak any foreign languages? if so, why?
criteria #4, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. how does this coach pursue happiness? vacations at the lake with a bbq and smores like americans do?
criteria #5, these colors don't bleed. does the coach know the meaning of this term and if not, what term do they use to exprese america's global dominance?
go cats
I would guess Briles values the state of Texas (like most weird Texas people) over the good ole US of A.
And frankly, I don't like that.
Not.
One.
Bit.
yup. they fly their own flag at the same height as old glory down there. only state in the union allowed to do so. i wonder why?
http://www.snopes.com/history/american/texasflag.asp (http://www.snopes.com/history/american/texasflag.asp)
Post by: pissclams on October 15, 2013, 01:24:24 PM
there are many different things about coaching that really matter when examining a coach and how their teams perform in the trenches. i feel most of those things have been ignored in this thread.
criteria #1, patriotism. is the coach a true patriot? list examples.
criteria #2, america. how does the coach spend his/her 4th of july holiday?
criteria #3, the red white and blue. does the coach speak any foreign languages? if so, why?
criteria #4, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. how does this coach pursue happiness? vacations at the lake with a bbq and smores like americans do?
criteria #5, these colors don't bleed. does the coach know the meaning of this term and if not, what term do they use to exprese america's global dominance?
go cats
I would guess Briles values the state of Texas (like most weird Texas people) over the good ole US of A.
And frankly, I don't like that.
Not.
One.
Bit.
yup. they fly their own flag at the same height as old glory down there. only state in the union allowed to do so. i wonder why?
http://www.snopes.com/history/american/texasflag.asp (http://www.snopes.com/history/american/texasflag.asp)
wow, someone that actually thinks isn't a reverse truth website. hey buddy- news for you: plenty of texans flags fly at the same level as old glory and it's legal down there. i have to wonder though, why are you defending the practice? been on any out of country vacations lately, pedro?
Post by: Steffy08 on October 15, 2013, 06:00:26 PM
I find it hilarious that people are answering Dax' 3-1 talking point with Snyder's number of Big 12 championships and COY awards, as if Briles has been coaching against Snyder for 20 years.I don't compare the records of the two the last 4 years for the same reason I wouldn't compare Briles' first 4 years at Baylor to Snyder's first 4 years at Kansas State. The situations aren't the same so what is gained by comparing the records?
Every single person in this thread, steffy being the exception, would trade Snyder in for Art right now. Snyder has had a great career, Briles is now a better coach. How in the hell could anyone reasonably debate this?
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No, I said we need to revisit in 10 years; at that time it will be clear who better coach was and currently is. Why don't you take briles and snyders conference record during Snyder 2.0? Seems like fair comparison. Snyder will have more wins.......even after this year. Snyder is 22-15 and briles is 17-19. Briles had the hèisman trophy winner and still finished behind Snyder in 2011. This isn't even close. You dramatically under appreciate Snyder and overvalue briles, but hey that knee jerk reaction is sooo this board.
I also love how you concluded that I dramatically underappreciated Snyder and overvalued Briles. Where did I place a value on either of them for you to figure that out?
You and landon/timhawk have to be the two worst posters on this board when it comes to logic and conclusions.
You are right: it is not logical to compare ghe last 4 years but it is very logical to compare based on last weekend or the first half of this season. Snyder and briles weren't starting from the exact place four years ago, but pretty close. It is at least a much better comparison than one game or half a season.
My logic is plenty fine; you just don't like my perspective, son.
Post by: Tobias on October 15, 2013, 06:06:56 PM
My logic is plenty fine; you just don't like my perspective, son.
may not be the best word choice here, lacey... :sdeek:
Post by: Spracne on October 15, 2013, 06:07:58 PM
I find it hilarious that people are answering Dax' 3-1 talking point with Snyder's number of Big 12 championships and COY awards, as if Briles has been coaching against Snyder for 20 years.I don't compare the records of the two the last 4 years for the same reason I wouldn't compare Briles' first 4 years at Baylor to Snyder's first 4 years at Kansas State. The situations aren't the same so what is gained by comparing the records?
Every single person in this thread, steffy being the exception, would trade Snyder in for Art right now. Snyder has had a great career, Briles is now a better coach. How in the hell could anyone reasonably debate this?
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No, I said we need to revisit in 10 years; at that time it will be clear who better coach was and currently is. Why don't you take briles and snyders conference record during Snyder 2.0? Seems like fair comparison. Snyder will have more wins.......even after this year. Snyder is 22-15 and briles is 17-19. Briles had the hèisman trophy winner and still finished behind Snyder in 2011. This isn't even close. You dramatically under appreciate Snyder and overvalue briles, but hey that knee jerk reaction is sooo this board.
I also love how you concluded that I dramatically underappreciated Snyder and overvalued Briles. Where did I place a value on either of them for you to figure that out?
You and landon/timhawk have to be the two worst posters on this board when it comes to logic and conclusions.
You are right: it is not logical to compare ghe last 4 years but it is very logical to compare based on last weekend or the first half of this season. Snyder and briles weren't starting from the exact place four years ago, but pretty close. It is at least a much better comparison than one game or half a season.
My logic is plenty fine; you just don't like my perspective, son....SON!!!!!!
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2013, 06:36:34 PM
My logic is plenty fine; you just don't like my perspective, son.
may not be the best word choice here, lacey... :sdeek:
Take the moronic rambling from the village idiot with a grain of salt.
Post by: Katpappy on October 15, 2013, 10:20:26 PM
Art Briles: 'We looked death in the face'
Posted by: Chris Vannini on Tuesday October 15, 2013
Every practice deals with situational work, but there was one situation Baylor hasn’t been in until this past weekend.
A close, competitive game.
After winning their first four games by an average of 54.2 points, the Bears found themselves trailing at Kansas State 25-21 heading into the fourth quarter. It was a only matter of time before Baylor would find itself in a struggle, and they came through, scoring two fourth-quarter touchdowns to win 35-25.
“The thing we did through the first four, five weeks is we practiced for a game,” Art Briles said at his weekly press conference. “That’s why I’m saying we’re still in the infant stages of our season, because that was the first complete game we’ve played.
“We’ve been practicing for those scenarios, because we haven’t been able to do them up to this point. It’s all changed now, but we were ready when the time game.”
It’s a situation Oregon often finds itself in. A year ago, the Ducks played one game that was decided by one score: a 17-14 loss against Stanford. This year, quarterback Marcus Mariota took his first fourth-quarter snap this past weekend, when Washington gave the Ducks a challenge. Like Baylor, Oregon powered through the fourth for a win.
That was the biggest takeaway for Briles from the K-State game. The Wildcats outscored Baylor 15-0 in the third quarter and had a blocked punt. The Bears finally faced some adversity, and they overcame it.
“We looked death in the face the other day and said, ‘Not today,’” Briles said. “That’s what we did. What happened to us in the third quarter, if you’re on the road and you get a punt blocked, it’s about 90 percent that you don’t win the football game.
“That’s why I’m saying we showed a lot of maturity as a team. Those things not only deflate what you’ve got going on, but it inflates the crowd and gets them going. It’s critical.” :Wha:
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Art Briles: 'We looked death in the face'
Posted by: Chris Vannini on Tuesday October 15, 2013
Every practice deals with situational work, but there was one situation Baylor hasn’t been in until this past weekend.
A close, competitive game.
After winning their first four games by an average of 54.2 points, the Bears found themselves trailing at Kansas State 25-21 heading into the fourth quarter. It was a only matter of time before Baylor would find itself in a struggle, and they came through, scoring two fourth-quarter touchdowns to win 35-25.
“The thing we did through the first four, five weeks is we practiced for a game,” Art Briles said at his weekly press conference. “That’s why I’m saying we’re still in the infant stages of our season, because that was the first complete game we’ve played.
“We’ve been practicing for those scenarios, because we haven’t been able to do them up to this point. It’s all changed now, but we were ready when the time game.”
It’s a situation Oregon often finds itself in. A year ago, the Ducks played one game that was decided by one score: a 17-14 loss against Stanford. This year, quarterback Marcus Mariota took his first fourth-quarter snap this past weekend, when Washington gave the Ducks a challenge. Like Baylor, Oregon powered through the fourth for a win.
That was the biggest takeaway for Briles from the K-State game. The Wildcats outscored Baylor 15-0 in the third quarter and had a blocked punt. The Bears finally faced some adversity, and they overcame it.
“We looked death in the face the other day and said, ‘Not today,’” Briles said. “That’s what we did. What happened to us in the third quarter, if you’re on the road and you get a punt blocked, it’s about 90 percent that you don’t win the football game.
“That’s why I’m saying we showed a lot of maturity as a team. Those things not only deflate what you’ve got going on, but it inflates the crowd and gets them going. It’s critical.” :Wha:
Post by: kst8cat on October 18, 2013, 09:48:40 AM
The list of coaches to have owned Snyder is pretty short. Osborne, McCartney, Barnett went 4-2, Stoops, Gundy is 2-1, Leach, Briles currently 3-1.
Only Osborne, McCartney and Stopps have had clearly superior programs at concurrent times.
I went and looked, and it's pretty ugly. Stoops, Leach, Gundy and Briles are a combined 21-4 head to head against Snyder.
By any measure, that's getting dominated.
You didn't look hard enough because your numbers are false. They are 18-5 vs. Snyder. The five wins are:
2000 vs Leach
2003, 2012 vs. Stoops
2011 vs. Briles
2012 vs. Gundy
Post by: kst8cat on October 18, 2013, 09:52:35 AM
Do we really want to talk about taking a clearly superior team into a game and barely hanging on to win?
I can think of numerous times when Snyder took a clearly superior team into a stadum and barely won. I can think of 2 games during the 1998 season alone, and that doesn't include the two losses that year.
By definition, the games we barely won don't include the two losses, so you really did not have to specify that.
Post by: Trim on October 23, 2013, 10:58:19 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on October 23, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9861289/chris-brown-how-art-briles-potent-offense-made-baylor-national-title-contender
Really good article.
Post by: Trim on October 23, 2013, 11:11:26 AM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9861289/chris-brown-how-art-briles-potent-offense-made-baylor-national-title-contender
Really good article.
I almost started a new thread called Grantlanalysis.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 23, 2013, 11:33:09 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 07, 2014, 11:32:35 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on December 07, 2014, 12:04:46 PM
Briles now 4-1 vs Snyder, with 1 outright Dr. Pepper and 1 shared Dr. Pepper.
Yeah, Briles ownership of Snyder has surpassed Leach and Stoops. I take some small measure of solace in the fact that at least Baylor is now winning the conference and has become a legit elite contender the last 2 seasons. Also, Snyder has won at Norman 2 straight times.
Post by: Katpappy on December 07, 2014, 12:07:42 PM
So did Baylor. :dunno: Nevermind... Home/AwayBriles now 4-1 vs Snyder, with 1 outright Dr. Pepper and 1 shared Dr. Pepper.
Yeah, Briles ownership of Snyder has surpassed Leach and Stoops. I take some small measure of solace in the fact that at least Baylor is now winning the conference and has become a legit elite contender the last 2 seasons. Also, Snyder has won at Norman 2 straight times.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 07, 2014, 12:10:42 PM
Post by: Katpappy on December 07, 2014, 12:13:03 PM
I only brought up Snyder winning at Norman because it means Stoops ownership of Snyder seems to have subsided a bit.For some reason Stoops isn't winning like before. Lose of BV??? :dunno:
Post by: EMAWzified on December 07, 2014, 12:20:47 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 07, 2014, 12:23:49 PM
Briles is sitting amidst a recruiting hotbed. Can only imagine what DITR Snyder could mine from there.
So? Everyone in the Big 12, nearly everyone in the SEC, and much of the Pac-12 recruit Texas hard.
Post by: scottwildcat on December 07, 2014, 12:38:59 PM
Oh yeah how many trophies does briles have?
the same amount.
Post by: wiley on December 07, 2014, 07:16:41 PM
Post by: steve dave on December 07, 2014, 07:22:57 PM
Post by: wiley on December 07, 2014, 07:23:55 PM
I feel like briles big moment was when he hired bennett as the dc.Interview with Bennett said he never once turned on his computer while coaching at smu, even snyder would chuckle at that (i think).
Post by: chum1 on December 07, 2014, 07:34:23 PM
Post by: wiley on December 07, 2014, 07:43:51 PM
Did YOUR gym teacher use a computer? Mine sure didn't.Yes, he did
Post by: Trim on December 08, 2014, 12:27:44 AM
moving forward, who would I take? Briles. But that doesn't diminish what Bill has done. Bill's accomplishments (to this point) are remarkably better than Briles.
This is the right answer. We should usher Bill into retirement and name a stadium after him or something, and hire Briles.
Let's revisit this in 10 years. Then, it will be: LHC Bill Snyder, Hall of Famer, five-time conference coach of the year, three-time national coach of the year, four-time conference champion; national championship in 2014 (first year of playoffs) and playoff semifinalists in 2015.
Briles: Best BU coach since Graft Taft; got BU share of conference in 2013. Then, team underperformed in 2014, finishing 6-3 (and tied for second to champ KSU), and then lack of player discipline and recruiting scandals led to his eventual departure. Produced the best run of BU football since the 1970's, but no Hall of Famer.
:lol:
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2014, 01:54:41 PM
moving forward, who would I take? Briles. But that doesn't diminish what Bill has done. Bill's accomplishments (to this point) are remarkably better than Briles.
This is the right answer. We should usher Bill into retirement and name a stadium after him or something, and hire Briles.
Let's revisit this in 10 years. Then, it will be: LHC Bill Snyder, Hall of Famer, five-time conference coach of the year, three-time national coach of the year, four-time conference champion; national championship in 2014 (first year of playoffs) and playoff semifinalists in 2015.
Briles: Best BU coach since Graft Taft; got BU share of conference in 2013. Then, team underperformed in 2014, finishing 6-3 (and tied for second to champ KSU), and then lack of player discipline and recruiting scandals led to his eventual departure. Produced the best run of BU football since the 1970's, but no Hall of Famer.
:lol:
Oops. Like the zeal though.
Post by: Mr Bread on December 08, 2014, 02:12:15 PM
Oh yeah how many trophies does briles have?
the same amount.
Negative. Briles has an outright Conference USA champy too. :surprised:
Post by: DQ12 on December 09, 2014, 12:54:41 AM
Also, in 2012, when we played Baylor, they were playing as good as anyone at the conference at that point. At some point during that 2012 season for them, things just clicked into place. They've been playing at a super high level ever since.Briles now 4-1 vs Snyder, with 1 outright Dr. Pepper and 1 shared Dr. Pepper.
Yeah, Briles ownership of Snyder has surpassed Leach and Stoops. I take some small measure of solace in the fact that at least Baylor is now winning the conference and has become a legit elite contender the last 2 seasons. Also, Snyder has won at Norman 2 straight times.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on December 09, 2014, 01:25:37 AM
Post by: DQ12 on December 09, 2014, 01:27:37 AM
Would like to see how Briles does once his staff starts moving on and up. That is the one thing that makes Bill 1.0 so amazing.until we were left with a bunch of idiot coaches
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on December 09, 2014, 01:30:37 AM
It took 15 years.Would like to see how Briles does once his staff starts moving on and up. That is the one thing that makes Bill 1.0 so amazing.until we were left with a bunch of idiot coaches
Post by: Steffy08 on December 09, 2014, 10:49:12 AM
moving forward, who would I take? Briles. But that doesn't diminish what Bill has done. Bill's accomplishments (to this point) are remarkably better than Briles.
This is the right answer. We should usher Bill into retirement and name a stadium after him or something, and hire Briles.
Let's revisit this in 10 years. Then, it will be: LHC LHC Bill Snyder, Hall of Famer, five-time conference coach of the year, three-time national coach of the year, four-time conference champion; national championship in 2014 (first year of playoffs) and playoff semifinalists in 2015.
Briles: Best BU coach since Graft Taft; got BU share of conference in 2013. Then, team underperformed in 2014, finishing 6-3 (and tied for second to champ KSU), and then lack of player discipline and recruiting scandals led to his eventual departure. Produced the best run of BU football since the 1970's, but no Hall of Famer.
:lol:
Oops. Like the zeal though.
Let's revisit in ten years. Snyder will be hall of famer; maybe have a national championship. Regardless of what Briles manages to achieve before the crap hits the fan, we know it will have hit the fan in ten years. When it does, even Dave Bliss will be appalled.
Post by: kslim on December 09, 2014, 11:16:13 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 09, 2014, 11:28:01 AM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on December 09, 2014, 11:30:36 AM
Bennett is a loser head coach who probably won't go anywhere, have any of his offensive assistants left?All have been there for all 7 years at Baylor, assume most where also at Houston. Defensive staff was rebuilt by Bennett.
Post by: Spracne on December 09, 2014, 11:34:54 AM
Bennett is a loser head coach who probably won't go anywhere, have any of his offensive assistants left?All have been there for all 7 years at Baylor, assume most where also at Houston. Defensive staff was rebuilt by Bennett.
Man, sounds like Briles caught lightning in a bottle with his staff...
Post by: kslim on December 09, 2014, 11:42:19 AM
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Man, sounds like Briles caught lightning in a bottle with his staff...
Post by: Skipper44 on December 09, 2014, 12:56:22 PM
It is unlikely Briles loses anyone from his defensive staff and I doubt losing many offensive assistants will be much of a problem. In fact, Briles would likely replace any losses with an up and coming Texas HS coach that further adds to his recruiting base in Texas.
With Strong not embracing the Texas HS HUNH style and OU stuck in a rut it is not hard to imagine Briles on run of double digit win seasons not unlike DoD 1.0.
Post by: Jabeez on December 09, 2014, 01:03:54 PM
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@TravHaneyESPN: POST: Big 12 talks, assesses after its bad weekend. (Members aren't pleased with Briles.) Who's next at Houston? (In) http://es.pn/163jbAq
What do they say about briles? I hate that guy.
Post by: XocolateThundarr on December 09, 2014, 01:51:24 PM
Bennett is a loser head coach who probably won't go anywhere, have any of his offensive assistants left?All have been there for all 7 years at Baylor, assume most where also at Houston. Defensive staff was rebuilt by Bennett.
Man, sounds like Briles caught lightning in a bottle with his staff...
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Post by: meow meow on December 09, 2014, 01:59:32 PM
Post by: bshea85 on December 09, 2014, 02:16:20 PM
Post by: Spracne on December 09, 2014, 02:19:33 PM
it's pretty sick what some people can make jokes about
That really put a charge into you, eh?
Post by: That_Guy on December 09, 2014, 02:53:10 PM
I remember the days when Baylor was an automatic "W" for Kstate. It didn't matter if we played at home or away, Baylor just rolled over.
I miss those days. I remember I used to root for Baylor except when playing the 'Cats of course back when they were trash just because they were always the underdog in almost every game.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 15, 2015, 06:30:54 PM
@davidubben: Does Art Briles' rebuild top LHC Bill Snyder's?
I would say yes. #tucknation is melting down about it. It's immaterial that Baylor is in Texas and it's immaterial that OU and Texas are "down". OU has gone 51-15 over the last five seasons. That's not very "down". Briles still has to go into Texas high schools and recruit against everyone and their favorite pet.
Briles has matched the success of Snyder. I'm not sure if the rebuild is better only because I'm not sure if Baylor was as bad when Briles arrived as K-State was when Snyder did. They are very comparable.
Post by: 'taterblast on May 15, 2015, 06:36:27 PM
@davidubben: Does Art Briles' rebuild top LHC Bill Snyder's?
it's a fair question, i wouldn't be offended by anyone saying briles. but, snyder did have a bigger hole to climb out of. and even if texas-ou aren't exactly down, snyder had to rebuild during the nebraska-colorado monster.
two consecutive league titles is better than anything snyder has done, imo.
Post by: bucket on May 15, 2015, 07:25:32 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 15, 2015, 08:36:09 PM
35-101 prior to Briles as a member of the Big 12.
Post by: bucket on May 15, 2015, 08:38:49 PM
Any tradition they had prior to Briles was a distant memory.
35-101 prior to Briles as a member of the Big 12.
Three bowls in the 90's :dunno:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 15, 2015, 09:29:04 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 15, 2015, 09:48:41 PM
Post by: wetwillie on May 15, 2015, 09:48:51 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2015, 06:46:42 AM
Post by: GoodForAnother on May 16, 2015, 07:19:38 AM
Post by: bucket on May 16, 2015, 10:02:44 AM
Snyder, Stoops, Patterson, Brown had 8 to 20 year head starts on Briles.
What?
Post by: GONNATEAMKILLU on May 16, 2015, 10:31:45 AM
When he runs it into the ground, retires for a few years and then comes back and wins another league title lets talk.
This
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on May 16, 2015, 10:39:59 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 16, 2015, 11:00:30 AM
Post by: meow meow on May 16, 2015, 11:29:46 AM
When he runs it into the ground, retires for a few years and then comes back and wins another league title lets talk.
This
Shouldn't briles get more credit if he doesn't run it into the ground
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2015, 11:40:46 AM
Post by: GONNATEAMKILLU on May 16, 2015, 03:02:45 PM
When he runs it into the ground, retires for a few years and then comes back and wins another league title lets talk.
This
Shouldn't briles get more credit if he doesn't run it into the ground
Absolutely not
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 17, 2015, 08:56:41 AM
Resources is not a good argument. Relative to the era, one could easily argue that Briles had fewer resources relative to Snyder. When Briles started Baylor was woefully behind on facilities relative to the rest of the Big 12 and schools recruiting Texas hard.
Yeah, the cfb landscape of 1989 is essentially identical to the landscape of 2008 (or whenever art started).
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 17, 2015, 10:29:09 AM
Resources is not a good argument. Relative to the era, one could easily argue that Briles had fewer resources relative to Snyder. When Briles started Baylor was woefully behind on facilities relative to the rest of the Big 12 and schools recruiting Texas hard.
Yeah, the cfb landscape of 1989 is essentially identical to the landscape of 2008 (or whenever art started).
That's pretty much the point. K-State only had to do $11 million dollars worth of facilities projects in between 1989 and 1993 and other schools were coming to take tours to see them. In 2008 $11 million in facilities improvements was a drop in the bucket.
Post by: ben ji on May 17, 2015, 11:10:31 AM
Resources is not a good argument. Relative to the era, one could easily argue that Briles had fewer resources relative to Snyder. When Briles started Baylor was woefully behind on facilities relative to the rest of the Big 12 and schools recruiting Texas hard.
Yeah, the cfb landscape of 1989 is essentially identical to the landscape of 2008 (or whenever art started).
That's pretty much the point. K-State only had to do $11 million dollars worth of facilities projects in between 1989 and 1993 and other schools were coming to take tours to see them. In 2008 $11 million in facilities improvements was a drop in the bucket.
Was it 2008 that we spent 10 million to "redo" vanier only to tear it all down 8 years later?
Just LOL at the whole RP/BK era.
Post by: bucket on May 17, 2015, 11:14:23 AM
Resources is not a good argument. Relative to the era, one could easily argue that Briles had fewer resources relative to Snyder. When Briles started Baylor was woefully behind on facilities relative to the rest of the Big 12 and schools recruiting Texas hard.
Yeah, the cfb landscape of 1989 is essentially identical to the landscape of 2008 (or whenever art started).
That's pretty much the point. K-State only had to do $11 million dollars worth of facilities projects in between 1989 and 1993 and other schools were coming to take tours to see them. In 2008 $11 million in facilities improvements was a drop in the bucket.
Well, obviously, that's because football wasn't the pinnacle of the world at that time. Now it is.
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on May 17, 2015, 12:53:42 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on May 17, 2015, 10:55:15 PM
Better resources, better history, recruiting hotbed and he still hasn't accomplished anything greater than Snyder has. This isn't even a question worth serious debate.
as i opined previously, two consecutive big 12 titles is better than anything snyder has done.
but i am curious what dax's point is. like, who cares?
Post by: nicname on May 18, 2015, 01:15:57 AM
Post by: Stevesie60 on May 18, 2015, 01:18:35 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 18, 2015, 08:58:12 AM
Post by: KITNfury on May 18, 2015, 09:45:03 AM
Any school in a major conference in Texas or Florida have a nice situation. Still need a good coach and AD support, but the pieces are usually there to make a run.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 18, 2015, 12:55:41 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 18, 2015, 07:30:29 PM
Resources is not a good argument. Relative to the era, one could easily argue that Briles had fewer resources relative to Snyder. When Briles started Baylor was woefully behind on facilities relative to the rest of the Big 12 and schools recruiting Texas hard.
Yeah, the cfb landscape of 1989 is essentially identical to the landscape of 2008 (or whenever art started).
That's pretty much the point. K-State only had to do $11 million dollars worth of facilities projects in between 1989 and 1993 and other schools were coming to take tours to see them. In 2008 $11 million in facilities improvements was a drop in the bucket.
Well, obviously, that's because football wasn't the pinnacle of the world at that time. Now it is.
I can't tell if dax is agreeing or disagreeing with me. But the numbers now are about a multiple of ten as what they were in 1989, so it's obviously easier to do well with more money
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 22, 2015, 10:04:25 AM
Post by: chum1 on May 24, 2015, 11:09:30 AM
Post by: Katpappy on May 24, 2015, 09:38:04 PM
https://twitter.com/smartfootball/status/602505299472338944Does this mean he does more with shitty recruits... just like somebody around here? :whistle1:
Post by: 'taterblast on July 21, 2015, 03:55:46 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 21, 2015, 06:45:21 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on July 21, 2015, 10:29:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKdz6sTUsAAu6RZ.png)
Very fitting, the criminal analogy and all.
Briles is scary evil.
That house of cards is going to be fun to watch burn to the ground. I imagine Snyder will still be coaching when it happens, which will be soon.
Post by: 'taterblast on July 21, 2015, 10:34:42 PM
Briles cheats
link?
Post by: Spracne on July 21, 2015, 10:37:48 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on July 21, 2015, 10:55:25 PM
Briles cheats
link?
www.youknowitstrue.com
See also www.justwait.com
Post by: meow meow on July 22, 2015, 08:27:43 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on July 22, 2015, 08:58:56 AM
Post by: OK_Cat on July 22, 2015, 09:16:20 AM
Post by: slobber on July 22, 2015, 09:16:29 AM
HE DOESN'T DO IT THE WEBER WAY!FYP
I know it's the wrong board, but Weber out Snyders Snyder.
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Katpappy on July 22, 2015, 09:20:12 AM
Post by: DQ12 on July 22, 2015, 09:26:27 AM
Post by: meow meow on July 22, 2015, 09:29:38 AM
how could people anyone not like Briles? he's a phenomenal coach, very respectful of LHOFHCBS, and hilarious. plus he's got that folksy texas high school coach charm.
Baylor is incredibly lucky to have him
Post by: meow meow on July 22, 2015, 09:30:11 AM
Post by: Katpappy on July 22, 2015, 09:37:15 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on July 22, 2015, 10:38:11 AM
how could people anyone not like Briles? he's a phenomenal coach, very respectful of LHOFHCBS, and hilarious. plus he's got that folksy texas high school coach charm.
How anyone with a brain could not see through his schtick is beyond me. Briles has the worst traits from Roy Williams and Dave Bliss. A scary combination.
Just wait.
Post by: kslim on July 22, 2015, 10:51:49 AM
winning is the only trait that matters and he is doing it at rough ridin' baylor. just shut up alreadyhow could people anyone not like Briles? he's a phenomenal coach, very respectful of LHOFHCBS, and hilarious. plus he's got that folksy texas high school coach charm.
How anyone with a brain could not see through his schtick is beyond me. Briles has the worst traits from Roy Williams and Dave Bliss. A scary combination.
Just wait.
Post by: Katpappy on July 22, 2015, 10:54:06 AM
Don't worry Steffy, the old man will take this young pup to the woodshed. He's all upset that his team wasn't predicted to win the Big XII this year. Wait until the Wizard puts a spell on him; he'll be crying like the baby he is.how could people anyone not like Briles? he's a phenomenal coach, very respectful of LHOFHCBS, and hilarious. plus he's got that folksy texas high school coach charm.
How anyone with a brain could not see through his schtick is beyond me. Briles has the worst traits from Roy Williams and Dave Bliss. A scary combination.
Just wait.
Post by: meow meow on July 22, 2015, 11:02:48 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on July 22, 2015, 11:13:52 AM
what is his schtick? steffy hoping on a prayer that he gets busted for cheating with zero info about it, great stuff as always
yeah but can't you just tell?
Post by: meow meow on July 22, 2015, 11:18:20 AM
what is his schtick? steffy hoping on a prayer that he gets busted for cheating with zero info about it, great stuff as always
yeah but can't you just tell?
#JustWait #OneDayAtATime
Post by: DOD Take 2 on July 22, 2015, 12:27:28 PM
Post by: Spracne on July 22, 2015, 12:34:27 PM
Hey guys I don't like Briles. He seems arrogant. And I think he really plays up the folksy-texasy thing to where it doesn't seem genuine. Obv a very good coach but very hateable.
Thanks for your opinion.
Does anyone else have any opinions to share on Art Briles, the man?
Post by: Trogdor on July 22, 2015, 12:59:41 PM
Hey guys I don't like Briles. He seems arrogant. And I think he really plays up the folksy-texasy thing to where it doesn't seem genuine. Obv a very good coach but very hateable.
Thanks for your opinion.
Does anyone else have any opinions to share on Art Briles, the man?
Hey guys I don't like Briles. He seems arrogant. And I think he really plays up the folksy-texasy thing to where it doesn't seem genuine. Obv a very good coach but very hateable.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on July 22, 2015, 01:50:17 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 29, 2015, 04:50:13 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 29, 2015, 11:34:51 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on July 30, 2015, 10:26:59 PM
OMG Briles was absolutely adorable on Highly Questionable today :love:
You're a dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 31, 2015, 09:49:59 AM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on July 31, 2015, 09:53:22 AM
Post by: RU82 on August 02, 2015, 09:07:49 PM
I did notice that half of Baylor's 2014 Big 12 players were 4 star recruits. Then I noticed 4 of the Kansas State 1st and 2nd team all big 12 performers were walk-ons. Now all I can say is that is impressive.
Jonathan Truman
Ryan Mueller
Curry Sexton
B.J. Finney.
That has to be a record for all major conferences.
Post by: Stevesie60 on August 03, 2015, 12:52:09 AM
Post by: massofcatfan on August 03, 2015, 01:20:05 PM
OMG Briles was absolutely adorable on Highly Questionable today :love:
You're a dope
your
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 03, 2015, 01:34:55 PM
No one is denying that coaching kids up from walk-ons is a great accomplishment. But think of how much we could accomplish if those kids were already good and we could focus on other things in practice besides coaching them up. Or how good we'd be if we made them even better than they already were.
Mueller and Finney were better than most scholarship athletes from day 1. They just went to small schools and didn't get recruited. We do a really good job identifying these kids and saving scholarships to offer to other kids who actually get recruited.
Post by: meow meow on August 03, 2015, 01:58:35 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on August 05, 2015, 01:53:19 PM
Thanks for your opinion.
Does anyone else have any opinions to share on Art Briles, the man?
Art Briles is a piece of crap.
Post by: Steffy08 on August 05, 2015, 10:15:49 PM
OMG Briles was absolutely adorable on Highly Questionable today :love:
You're a dope
your
Nope
Post by: The Big Train on August 05, 2015, 10:41:24 PM
Thanks for your opinion.
Does anyone else have any opinions to share on Art Briles, the man?
Art Briles is a piece of crap.
very sore loser. Honestly who scores 58 points and still loses? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: American Standard on August 07, 2015, 11:22:45 AM
Post by: slobber on August 10, 2015, 07:53:04 AM
So...how's the walk-on class look this year? Any ruff rid'in, pimp slappin OGs, under the radar/invisible to radar, future hall of famers ready to rain hell?They are called DITR.
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Katpappy on August 10, 2015, 09:35:13 AM
I think he's insulting our great dirt farming team; but yea... DITR. :ROFL:So...how's the walk-on class look this year? Any ruff rid'in, pimp slappin OGs, under the radar/invisible to radar, future hall of famers ready to rain hell?They are called DITR.
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Bookcat on August 10, 2015, 04:04:20 PM
Post by: Katpappy on August 10, 2015, 06:19:54 PM
Yeah, but that 1 win we got was way better than all of theirs. Its the way we did it with one player (Arthur), against Heisman ...... They'll never top that. You can't.That whopping they gave us in 2012 started their run for dbl championships in 13-14. If you asked them they would tell you that was their best win.
Post by: Katpappy on August 10, 2015, 06:25:37 PM
Post by: American Standard on August 11, 2015, 03:53:39 PM
Any mention of diamonds cues Emmett Smith in my head. Sometimes those diamonds are surrounded by...So...how's the walk-on class look this year? Any ruff rid'in, pimp slappin OGs, under the radar/invisible to radar, future hall of famers ready to rain hell?They are called DITR.
Gonna win 'em all!
Looking forward to getting to Little apple again this year. Maybe the bus driver can get the team to the stadium on time instead of taking us on a tour of the local grasslands like 2013. We know Snyder handpicked the bus drivers. Payback bitches!
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Post by: TownieCat on August 21, 2015, 03:01:07 PM
The AD will take the hit on this.Wasn't the victim a female student athlete? There is plenty of blame to go around, but how does the AD not even protect one of their own SA's? Heads need to roll.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on August 21, 2015, 03:02:03 PM
@Chuckfnstrong is rough ridin' killing it today.
Post by: Trim on August 21, 2015, 03:03:49 PM
Can you not embed tweets on gE?
@Chuckfnstrong is rough ridin' killing it today.
Glad somebody is.
Post by: TownieCat on August 21, 2015, 03:21:21 PM
Can you not embed tweets on gE?Just paste the url to the tweet.
@Chuckfnstrong is rough ridin' killing it today.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 21, 2015, 03:31:44 PM
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on August 21, 2015, 04:31:45 PM
I'd love for him to get fired and then have Currie pick him up when Bill retires.
I would rather go 6-6 from here to eternity than have Briles come to K-State after reading about what happened. I hope he gets crap canned and never coaches again.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 21, 2015, 06:40:45 PM
DE Sam Ukwuachu sentenced for raping a female Baylor student-athlete
:sdeek: he lied about Chris Peterson, pretty stupid lie too
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 21, 2015, 06:50:44 PM
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on August 21, 2015, 07:36:47 PM
Jfc. What a trash human being. I hope this debate is over now.
I'm sure Snyder has probably done some crap things in his day, but I doubt anything comes even close to this. It's sickening.
Post by: Katpappy on August 21, 2015, 08:11:28 PM
Briles is no friend of the K-State family.Jfc. What a trash human being. I hope this debate is over now.
I'm sure Snyder has probably done some crap things in his day, but I doubt anything comes even close to this. It's sickening.
Post by: bones129 on August 21, 2015, 08:21:55 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 21, 2015, 08:23:54 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on August 21, 2015, 09:00:39 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKdz6sTUsAAu6RZ.png)
Very fitting, the criminal analogy and all.
Briles is scary evil.
That house of cards is going to be fun to watch burn to the ground. I imagine Snyder will still be coaching when it happens, which will be soon.
Seems like a good day to revisit this.
Today's events are just the tip of the iceberg. Trust me.
Post by: meow meow on August 21, 2015, 09:36:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKdz6sTUsAAu6RZ.png)
Very fitting, the criminal analogy and all.
Briles is scary evil.
That house of cards is going to be fun to watch burn to the ground. I imagine Snyder will still be coaching when it happens, which will be soon.
Seems like a good day to revisit this.
Today's events are just the tip of the iceberg. Trust me.
So like if you know something else why wouldn't you say it?
Post by: MakeItRain on August 21, 2015, 10:47:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKdz6sTUsAAu6RZ.png)
Very fitting, the criminal analogy and all.
Briles is scary evil.
That house of cards is going to be fun to watch burn to the ground. I imagine Snyder will still be coaching when it happens, which will be soon.
Seems like a good day to revisit this.
Today's events are just the tip of the iceberg. Trust me.
Being dishonest about someone else's dishonesty, fantastic.
Post by: Stevesie60 on August 22, 2015, 01:20:45 AM
Jfc. What a trash human being. I hope this debate is over now.
I'm sure Snyder has probably done some crap things in his day, but I doubt anything comes even close to this. It's sickening.
Heh.
Post by: Steffy08 on August 22, 2015, 09:24:05 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKdz6sTUsAAu6RZ.png)
Very fitting, the criminal analogy and all.
Briles is scary evil.
That house of cards is going to be fun to watch burn to the ground. I imagine Snyder will still be coaching when it happens, which will be soon.
Seems like a good day to revisit this.
Today's events are just the tip of the iceberg. Trust me.
Being dishonest about someone else's dishonesty, fantastic.
What?
Just admit that you are a horrible judge of character, and move on.
I'm not (and never was) claiming to have inside information. It's just common sense.
There will be more bad stuff to come.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 22, 2015, 10:17:30 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKdz6sTUsAAu6RZ.png)
Very fitting, the criminal analogy and all.
Briles is scary evil.
That house of cards is going to be fun to watch burn to the ground. I imagine Snyder will still be coaching when it happens, which will be soon.
Seems like a good day to revisit this.
Today's events are just the tip of the iceberg. Trust me.
Being dishonest about someone else's dishonesty, fantastic.
What?
Just admit that you are a horrible judge of character, and move on.
I'm not (and never was) claiming to have inside information. It's just common sense.
There will be more bad stuff to come.
What have I had to say about Briles character other to say he was lying? So I'm confused do you like him or not?
Post by: MakeItRain on August 22, 2015, 10:23:41 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on August 22, 2015, 11:58:59 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKdz6sTUsAAu6RZ.png)
Very fitting, the criminal analogy and all.
Briles is scary evil.
That house of cards is going to be fun to watch burn to the ground. I imagine Snyder will still be coaching when it happens, which will be soon.
Seems like a good day to revisit this.
Today's events are just the tip of the iceberg. Trust me.
Being dishonest about someone else's dishonesty, fantastic.
What?
Just admit that you are a horrible judge of character, and move on.
I'm not (and never was) claiming to have inside information. It's just common sense.
There will be more bad stuff to come.
What have I had to say about Briles character other to say he was lying? So I'm confused do you like him or not?
Are you serious? You've posting for months about how "adorable" Briles is, talking about what a great coach he is, all while many on this board were telling you he was a dirtbag.
Just admit you fell for his schtick, and then the matter will be done.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 22, 2015, 12:00:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKdz6sTUsAAu6RZ.png)
Very fitting, the criminal analogy and all.
Briles is scary evil.
That house of cards is going to be fun to watch burn to the ground. I imagine Snyder will still be coaching when it happens, which will be soon.
Seems like a good day to revisit this.
Today's events are just the tip of the iceberg. Trust me.
Being dishonest about someone else's dishonesty, fantastic.
What?
Just admit that you are a horrible judge of character, and move on.
I'm not (and never was) claiming to have inside information. It's just common sense.
There will be more bad stuff to come.
What have I had to say about Briles character other to say he was lying? So I'm confused do you like him or not?
Are you serious? You've posting for months about how "adorable" Briles is, talking about what a great coach he is, all while many on this board were telling you he was a dirtbag.
Just admit you fell for his schtick, and then the matter will be done.
Saying he had an adorable appearance on Highly Questionable and saying he's a good football says what exactly about his character?
Post by: Steffy08 on August 22, 2015, 12:03:43 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKdz6sTUsAAu6RZ.png)
Very fitting, the criminal analogy and all.
Briles is scary evil.
That house of cards is going to be fun to watch burn to the ground. I imagine Snyder will still be coaching when it happens, which will be soon.
Seems like a good day to revisit this.
Today's events are just the tip of the iceberg. Trust me.
Being dishonest about someone else's dishonesty, fantastic.
What?
Just admit that you are a horrible judge of character, and move on.
I'm not (and never was) claiming to have inside information. It's just common sense.
There will be more bad stuff to come.
What have I had to say about Briles character other to say he was lying? So I'm confused do you like him or not?
Are you serious? You've posting for months about how "adorable" Briles is, talking about what a great coach he is, all while many on this board were telling you he was a dirtbag.
Just admit you fell for his schtick, and then the matter will be done.
Saying he had an adorable appearance on Highly Questionable and saying he's a good football says what exactly about his character?
You're handling this about as well as Briles and Baylor handled the rape.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 22, 2015, 12:05:37 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKdz6sTUsAAu6RZ.png)
Very fitting, the criminal analogy and all.
Briles is scary evil.
That house of cards is going to be fun to watch burn to the ground. I imagine Snyder will still be coaching when it happens, which will be soon.
Seems like a good day to revisit this.
Today's events are just the tip of the iceberg. Trust me.
Being dishonest about someone else's dishonesty, fantastic.
What?
Just admit that you are a horrible judge of character, and move on.
I'm not (and never was) claiming to have inside information. It's just common sense.
There will be more bad stuff to come.
What have I had to say about Briles character other to say he was lying? So I'm confused do you like him or not?
Are you serious? You've posting for months about how "adorable" Briles is, talking about what a great coach he is, all while many on this board were telling you he was a dirtbag.
Just admit you fell for his schtick, and then the matter will be done.
Saying he had an adorable appearance on Highly Questionable and saying he's a good football says what exactly about his character?
You're handling this about as well as Briles and Baylor handled the rape.
So nothing? Thought so, keep flailing.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 22, 2015, 12:07:32 PM
Also I'm going to go on record now and change my mind on Briles vs. Peterson. I'm not sure who is lying, maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle, as thin as that middle ground is in this case.
If he's lying, he doubled down and it's pretty elaborate. This seems too specific for him to be lying about.
http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/art-briles-releases-statement--baylor-shares-sam-ukwuachu-transfer-document-001627927.html
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 22, 2015, 03:08:50 PM
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on August 22, 2015, 03:38:28 PM
Who would believe Briles over Petersen??
Down here in Texas, it's every Tom, Dick and Harry with a Baylor hat &/or t-shirt... Otherwise, MIR is correct; literally no one.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 24, 2015, 09:54:33 AM
Jfc. What a trash human being. I hope this debate is over now.
I'm sure Snyder has probably done some crap things in his day, but I doubt anything comes even close to this. It's sickening.
http://cjonline.com/stories/020405/kca_raines.shtml#.VdsvevlVhBc
Post by: pissclams on August 24, 2015, 10:41:18 AM
how could you post that link, assuming you read the article, and still make a comparison to the two situations?Jfc. What a trash human being. I hope this debate is over now.
I'm sure Snyder has probably done some crap things in his day, but I doubt anything comes even close to this. It's sickening.
http://cjonline.com/stories/020405/kca_raines.shtml#.VdsvevlVhBc
Post by: michigancat on August 24, 2015, 10:47:57 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 24, 2015, 11:24:26 AM
how could you post that link, assuming you read the article, and still make a comparison to the two situations?Jfc. What a trash human being. I hope this debate is over now.
I'm sure Snyder has probably done some crap things in his day, but I doubt anything comes even close to this. It's sickening.
http://cjonline.com/stories/020405/kca_raines.shtml#.VdsvevlVhBc
Well, I guess one guy beats and rapes women and the other guy beats the crap out of people with his friends and delivers the killing blow with a kick to the face. So they aren't quite the same, but they seem sort of similar to me.
Post by: pissclams on August 24, 2015, 11:48:36 AM
what a weird way to look at things. sad, really.how could you post that link, assuming you read the article, and still make a comparison to the two situations?Jfc. What a trash human being. I hope this debate is over now.
I'm sure Snyder has probably done some crap things in his day, but I doubt anything comes even close to this. It's sickening.
http://cjonline.com/stories/020405/kca_raines.shtml#.VdsvevlVhBc
Well, I guess one guy beats and rapes women and the other guy beats the crap out of people with his friends and delivers the killing blow with a kick to the face. So they aren't quite the same, but they seem sort of similar to me.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on August 24, 2015, 11:50:38 AM
Post by: AbeFroman on August 24, 2015, 12:35:01 PM
how could you post that link, assuming you read the article, and still make a comparison to the two situations?Jfc. What a trash human being. I hope this debate is over now.
I'm sure Snyder has probably done some crap things in his day, but I doubt anything comes even close to this. It's sickening.
http://cjonline.com/stories/020405/kca_raines.shtml#.VdsvevlVhBc
Well, I guess one guy beats and rapes women and the other guy beats the crap out of people with his friends and delivers the killing blow with a kick to the face. So they aren't quite the same, but they seem sort of similar to me.
Except Snyder and the coaches balked on the scholarship offer the next day and Briles actually brought a POS woman abuser on campus where he continued to lie after another incident.
Post by: Katpappy on August 24, 2015, 12:37:14 PM
It had to be said. :Wha:how could you post that link, assuming you read the article, and still make a comparison to the two situations?Jfc. What a trash human being. I hope this debate is over now.
I'm sure Snyder has probably done some crap things in his day, but I doubt anything comes even close to this. It's sickening.
http://cjonline.com/stories/020405/kca_raines.shtml#.VdsvevlVhBc
Well, I guess one guy beats and rapes women and the other guy beats the crap out of people with his friends and delivers the killing blow with a kick to the face. So they aren't quite the same, but they seem sort of similar to me.
Except Snyder and the coaches balked on the scholarship offer the next day and Briles actually brought a POS woman abuser on campus.
Post by: michigancat on August 24, 2015, 12:38:07 PM
how could you post that link, assuming you read the article, and still make a comparison to the two situations?Jfc. What a trash human being. I hope this debate is over now.
I'm sure Snyder has probably done some crap things in his day, but I doubt anything comes even close to this. It's sickening.
http://cjonline.com/stories/020405/kca_raines.shtml#.VdsvevlVhBc
Well, I guess one guy beats and rapes women and the other guy beats the crap out of people with his friends and delivers the killing blow with a kick to the face. So they aren't quite the same, but they seem sort of similar to me.
Except Snyder and the coaches balked on the scholarship offer the next day and Briles actually brought a POS woman abuser on campus.
I think Briles would have revoked the offer if he had been caught by the media, too. (Note I may have the timelines wrong)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 24, 2015, 12:38:21 PM
how could you post that link, assuming you read the article, and still make a comparison to the two situations?Jfc. What a trash human being. I hope this debate is over now.
I'm sure Snyder has probably done some crap things in his day, but I doubt anything comes even close to this. It's sickening.
http://cjonline.com/stories/020405/kca_raines.shtml#.VdsvevlVhBc
Well, I guess one guy beats and rapes women and the other guy beats the crap out of people with his friends and delivers the killing blow with a kick to the face. So they aren't quite the same, but they seem sort of similar to me.
Except Snyder and the coaches balked on the scholarship offer the next day and Briles actually brought a POS woman abuser on campus.
They balked because the media was throwing a fit. It's not like they weren't aware they were recruiting a killer throughout the whole process. He was convicted.
Post by: AbeFroman on August 24, 2015, 12:38:29 PM
Post by: Katpappy on August 24, 2015, 12:40:27 PM
I mean, if Raines had made it to campus, killed another kid, and then Snyder and Currie conspired to throw the hypothetical dead student under the bus, then yeah it would be similar.Go get him, Abe!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 24, 2015, 12:41:54 PM
Post by: Trim on August 24, 2015, 12:44:01 PM
Post by: Katpappy on August 24, 2015, 12:45:10 PM
Briles and Snyder both did what the football coach should do. Kansas State's administration did what they should do. Baylor's administration did not.A few years back, when Snyder dropped out of the crooked Cam Newton scam speaks volumes.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 24, 2015, 12:58:14 PM
Briles and Snyder both did what the football coach should do. Kansas State's administration did what they should do. Baylor's administration did not.A few years back, when Snyder dropped out of the crooked Cam Newton scam speaks volumes.
LOL, okay
Post by: deputy dawg on August 24, 2015, 04:29:09 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 24, 2015, 04:37:40 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on August 24, 2015, 04:54:15 PM
I don't think Briles really did much wrong. The school probably should lose its football program, though.
Peterson is really hurting Briles credibility, it laughable that Briles acting like he didn't find any dirt about Ukwuachu. All Briles has to say from the knowledge we uptained we thought Sam deserved a 2nd chance. Instead Briles is being a coward and dimwit. He is going to be linked to the sorry ass investigation no matter what and is opening up himself to more damage.
Post by: pissclams on August 24, 2015, 05:05:43 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 24, 2015, 05:08:21 PM
Post by: pissclams on August 24, 2015, 05:09:49 PM
IIRC Snyder claimed he didn't know about the Raines convictionaccording to the article, you don't iirc
Post by: michigancat on August 24, 2015, 05:11:47 PM
IIRC Snyder claimed he didn't know about the Raines convictionaccording to the article, you don't iirc
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"The information that was shared with us when the young man was on our campus is somewhat different from what is now being reported in the media."
Post by: pissclams on August 24, 2015, 05:18:22 PM
Post by: chum1 on August 24, 2015, 05:20:45 PM
Post by: DOD Take 2 on August 24, 2015, 05:52:14 PM
I don't think Briles really did much wrong. The school probably should lose its football program, though.
Peterson is really hurting Briles credibility, it laughable that Briles acting like he didn't find any dirt about Ukwuachu. All Briles has to say from the knowledge we uptained we thought Sam deserved a 2nd chance. Instead Briles is being a coward and dimwit. He is going to be linked to the sorry ass investigation no matter what and is opening up himself to more damage.
This. Also they should have kicked him off the team when he was initially accused in Waco of sexual assault instead of trying to get him back on the field.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on August 24, 2015, 06:00:22 PM
It really has nothing to do with a 2nd chance recruit. If he was recruited out of high school as an honor role student and the same thing happened with the assault and cover up it still would be a major major issue. A lot of this is gravy and it appears that Baylor has a ton of gravy.I don't think Briles really did much wrong. The school probably should lose its football program, though.
Peterson is really hurting Briles credibility, it laughable that Briles acting like he didn't find any dirt about Ukwuachu. All Briles has to say from the knowledge we uptained we thought Sam deserved a 2nd chance. Instead Briles is being a coward and dimwit. He is going to be linked to the sorry ass investigation no matter what and is opening up himself to more damage.
This. Also they should have kicked him off the team when he was initially accused in Waco of sexual assault instead of trying to get him back on the field.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 24, 2015, 08:32:47 PM
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past
Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?
Post by: DOD Take 2 on August 24, 2015, 08:53:43 PM
http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past
Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?
That coach has vested interests in saying that - not saying he's lying. Author also notes Boise could have not told him what they knew.
Post by: Steffy08 on August 24, 2015, 08:55:51 PM
http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past
Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?
You are too funny.
You've had every chance to jump, but it seems you are determined to go down with this sinking ship.
Very Baylor-ly of you.
I'm going to enjoy watching it happen to Briles, Baylor, and you.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on August 24, 2015, 09:34:40 PM
http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past
Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?
That coach has vested interests in saying that - not saying he's lying. Author also notes Boise could have not told him what they knew.
That is such a silly article, how does a high school coach know anything about what Briles knows.
Post by: Pendergast on August 24, 2015, 09:38:14 PM
http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past
Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?
You need to find some perspective on this. The sides are forming their lines, I don't know how this could be any more predictable.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 24, 2015, 09:44:59 PM
Post by: bones129 on August 24, 2015, 09:48:12 PM
http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past
Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?
That coach has vested interests in saying that - not saying he's lying. Author also notes Boise could have not told him what they knew.
That is such a silly article, how does a high school coach know anything about what Briles knows.
Texas HS coaches worship Briles. They think he can do no wrong.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 24, 2015, 09:49:47 PM
http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past
Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?
You are too funny.
You've had every chance to jump, but it seems you are determined to go down with this sinking ship.
Very Baylor-ly of you.
I'm going to enjoy watching it happen to Briles, Baylor, and you.
I'm still waiting for your stupid ass to post a link of me saying anything about Briles' character other than me calling him a liar. Your meltdown is because I had a one line post mentioning that Briles was adorable on a rough ridin' television show. Produce the link of me calling a dumb rough ridin' football coach a good man, contribute to the actual conversation happening, or just shut the eff up, freak.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 24, 2015, 09:53:40 PM
http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past
Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?
You need to find some perspective on this. The sides are forming their lines, I don't know how this could be any more predictable.
What perspective do I need to find, is there a stance I've taken that I'm unaware of? When this broke it seems everyone, me included, raced to call the guy a liar. It isn't as simple as Briles is lying and Peterson is a holy deity who is telling the truth.
Post by: Stevesie60 on August 25, 2015, 12:31:45 AM
Post by: bones129 on August 25, 2015, 12:51:20 AM
No matter what comes out, Baylor is not going to lose his job. Even if for whatever reason the NCAA said he couldn't recruit for two years (this would never happen) Baylor would not fire him. He's their Snyder.
True, whether it should be or not. Baylor worships this guy. Still like to know what he knew, and when he knew it, but we'll never find out.
Post by: Trim on August 25, 2015, 12:55:41 AM
Post by: bones129 on August 25, 2015, 01:07:52 AM
Where was the appropriate place for Ukwuachu after his stint in Boise?
Prison?
Post by: MakeItRain on August 25, 2015, 03:52:01 AM
Where was the appropriate place for Ukwuachu after his stint in Boise?
That's just it, this Briles vs. Peterson BS is:
1. People not understanding what is happening with the story and others absolutely playing the result.
2. An incredible distraction from what the true story should be here and it's Baylor University completely mishandling everything from the time of the rape to the aftermath of the conviction.
Even if Briles knew everything, everything that could have been known is this:
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This isn’t the first violent incident that Ukwuachu has been accused of. In documents from May 2013 obtained by Texas Monthly, Marc Paul, the assistant athletics director at Boise State University, recounts advising to Ukwuachu’s then-girlfriend in Boise that she stay away from the house the two shared for several nights, after he put his fist through a window while drunk. Paul also makes plans for how to get police protection for the couple’s other housemate, who received threatening text messages from Ukwuachu. Handwritten notes in a document from a Boise State source also refer to times that Ukwuachu would get verbally abusive over “small irritants” like a spilled drink, and note that the woman he lived with acknowledged that she would “probably not” admit it if the abuse were physical. It ends with the words “NOT healthy relationship!” underlined.http://www.texasmonthly.com/article/silence-at-baylor/#sthash.PQO0ikG2.dpuf
So the dude punched through a window and acted like a drunken crap head. They didn't know he hit the girlfriend (she didn't say he hit her until the rape trial so Briles couldn't have known that), he didn't rape anyone. I'm going to guess that at least 95% of college football fans would absolutely take someone as a transfer whose greatest transgression is punching through a window. The talking point that Baylor shouldn't have taken this hardened criminal woman beating rapist is intellectually lazy/inaccurate. His transgressions at Boise State were in no way an indicator that he would rape a woman.
People really need to talk more about Baylor not taking him out of her classes, reducing her scholarship, and despite having a much lighter burden of proof finding that he did nothing wrong.
Post by: Skipper44 on August 25, 2015, 09:59:00 AM
This could be a large Title IX issue for the AD but I don't know how much leverage the feds have with a private U like Baylor.
People really need to talk more about Baylor not taking him out of her classes, reducing her scholarship, and despite having a much lighter burden of proof finding that he did nothing wrong.
I can maybe excuse Briles for not asking too tough a question on why a program like Boise would kick off a Freshman DE that started every game but the first and had 4.5 sacks but I can't see why he kept him on scholarship after the rape indictment. I mean, Baylor has the pull with the Waco authorities to sweep all the charges under the rug until the Texas Monthly story the week of the trial(!) but when the DA still gets an indictment Art has to realize his is in a no win situation.
Post by: Pendergast on August 25, 2015, 10:03:09 AM
And no, I would not take a transfer that was threatening people to the point they were advised to seek a restraining order. Whatever floats your boat though.
Post by: Trim on August 25, 2015, 10:22:19 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on August 25, 2015, 10:36:49 AM
http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past
Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?
You are too funny.
You've had every chance to jump, but it seems you are determined to go down with this sinking ship.
Very Baylor-ly of you.
I'm going to enjoy watching it happen to Briles, Baylor, and you.
I'm still waiting for your stupid ass to post a link of me saying anything about Briles' character other than me calling him a liar. Your meltdown is because I had a one line post mentioning that Briles was adorable on a rough ridin' television show. Produce the link of me calling a dumb rough ridin' football coach a good man, contribute to the actual conversation happening, or just shut the eff up, freak.
You have issues.
I tried to tell you Briles was scary evil. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Don't be mad at me that you got duped (and still are, apparently) by his superficial southern "charm."
Post by: pissclams on August 25, 2015, 10:41:24 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 25, 2015, 10:43:18 AM
Or we could understand that much more knowledge on the situation was exchanged and understood between parties than has been captured in print, as in, literally, every human interaction ever.
And no, I would not take a transfer that was threatening people to the point they were advised to seek a restraining order. Whatever floats your boat though.
Oh ok. Hey everyone pendergast knows more about the situation than literally everyone who has done the investigating and reporting on the story, grats. Even if there was more information exchanged it isn't going to be something more substantive than what has already been reported. Two powerful men have publicly accused the other of lying, if there was more to be told it likely would have been told at this point.
Also LOL at your high horse about what Ukwuachu did as it relates to who we have/had playing for us. We have a player in the opening video montage that was convicted for beating his wife, I'm guessing you don't care enough to voice an objection to that. Football players are bred to be ultra aggressive, couple that with drinking, and the normal stupid crap that normal 18-22 year old males with not fully developed brains do and of course this stuff will happen often without anyone knowing.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 25, 2015, 10:51:19 AM
the chip brown letter to ken starr :sdeek:
http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294601&amp;page=2&amp;p=5136454
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 25, 2015, 10:56:16 AM
Post by: pissclams on August 25, 2015, 10:57:42 AM
the chip brown letter to ken starr :sdeek:
http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294601&amp;page=2&amp;p=5136454
baylor fans are the worst (i'm posting this after reading the first two responses to that thread)
pretty disingenuous of chip to talk about how he's a real reporter and then throw out accusations for ten paragraphs and then on top of that share with the world what he emailed starr. none of that screams professional reporter to me.yes but he did do a good job of highlighting the things that MiR is talking about. maybe chip needs to do a "mash up" letter with mir.
Post by: Pendergast on August 25, 2015, 11:00:46 AM
Or we could understand that much more knowledge on the situation was exchanged and understood between parties than has been captured in print, as in, literally, every human interaction ever.
And no, I would not take a transfer that was threatening people to the point they were advised to seek a restraining order. Whatever floats your boat though.
Oh ok. Hey everyone pendergast knows more about the situation than literally everyone who has done the investigating and reporting on the story, grats. Even if there was more information exchanged it isn't going to be something more substantive than what has already been reported. Two powerful men have publicly accused the other of lying, if there was more to be told it likely would have been told at this point.
Also LOL at your high horse about what Ukwuachu did as it relates to who we have/had playing for us. We have a player in the opening video montage that was convicted for beating his wife, I'm guessing you don't care enough to voice an objection to that. Football players are bred to be ultra aggressive, couple that with drinking, and the normal stupid crap that normal 18-22 year old males with not fully developed brains do and of course this stuff will happen often without anyone knowing.
Guess that one slipped by me. You know when Bill asks me for his approval of recruits and advice on discipline I'll pay closer attention next time. I'm a firm supporter of wife beating though, lets off steam and keeps them in the kitchen. I tell you what.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 25, 2015, 11:13:04 AM
the chip brown letter to ken starr :sdeek:
http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294601&amp;page=2&amp;p=5136454
baylor fans are the worst (i'm posting this after reading the first two responses to that thread)pretty disingenuous of chip to talk about how he's a real reporter and then throw out accusations for ten paragraphs and then on top of that share with the world what he emailed starr. none of that screams professional reporter to me.yes but he did do a good job of highlighting the things that MiR is talking about. maybe chip needs to do a "mash up" letter with mir.
Chip should not have framed this as a letter he was legitimately seeking answers to and then publish it as a column, it can't be both.
Also as far as horrible Baylor fans go, enjoy
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Question for Chip Brown...why did the victim get in SU's car when he had been acting aggressive? Why was she putting herself in a bad situation by sleeping in the aggressor's bed? Of course, it sucks this happened to her, but these are just a couple questions I'd like answered. Perhaps this situation should be a case study in Freshman 101 so girls reduce the chances of getting in these situations...it's happening far too often.
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Post by: #LIFE on August 25, 2015, 11:28:49 AM
Post by: pissclams on August 25, 2015, 11:33:44 AM
Post by: meow meow on August 25, 2015, 11:34:06 AM
http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past
Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?
You are too funny.
You've had every chance to jump, but it seems you are determined to go down with this sinking ship.
Very Baylor-ly of you.
I'm going to enjoy watching it happen to Briles, Baylor, and you.
I'm still waiting for your stupid ass to post a link of me saying anything about Briles' character other than me calling him a liar. Your meltdown is because I had a one line post mentioning that Briles was adorable on a rough ridin' television show. Produce the link of me calling a dumb rough ridin' football coach a good man, contribute to the actual conversation happening, or just shut the eff up, freak.
You have issues.
I tried to tell you Briles was scary evil. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Don't be mad at me that you got duped (and still are, apparently) by his superficial southern "charm."
you keep alluding that you have some sort of info on Briles, but, you don't know crap
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 25, 2015, 11:36:20 AM
the chip brown letter to ken starr :sdeek:
http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294601&amp;page=2&amp;p=5136454
baylor fans are the worst (i'm posting this after reading the first two responses to that thread)pretty disingenuous of chip to talk about how he's a real reporter and then throw out accusations for ten paragraphs and then on top of that share with the world what he emailed starr. none of that screams professional reporter to me.yes but he did do a good job of highlighting the things that MiR is talking about. maybe chip needs to do a "mash up" letter with mir.
Chip should not have framed this as a letter he was legitimately seeking answers to and then publish it as a column, it can't be both.
Also as far as horrible Baylor fans go, enjoyQuoteKCbear96 KCbear96 is online now
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Question for Chip Brown...why did the victim get in SU's car when he had been acting aggressive? Why was she putting herself in a bad situation by sleeping in the aggressor's bed? Of course, it sucks this happened to her, but these are just a couple questions I'd like answered. Perhaps this situation should be a case study in Freshman 101 so girls reduce the chances of getting in these situations...it's happening far too often.
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stuff like that is pretty frustrating to read. but as a now middle aged adult, i've come to the conclusion that roughly 50% of other adults are complete effing idiots. if i was a parent/friend/sibling/acquaintance of that girl i would be livid and out for baylor blood.
Post by: deputy dawg on August 25, 2015, 12:10:24 PM
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Post by: Steffy08 on August 25, 2015, 01:45:05 PM
http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past
Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?
You are too funny.
You've had every chance to jump, but it seems you are determined to go down with this sinking ship.
Very Baylor-ly of you.
I'm going to enjoy watching it happen to Briles, Baylor, and you.
I'm still waiting for your stupid ass to post a link of me saying anything about Briles' character other than me calling him a liar. Your meltdown is because I had a one line post mentioning that Briles was adorable on a rough ridin' television show. Produce the link of me calling a dumb rough ridin' football coach a good man, contribute to the actual conversation happening, or just shut the eff up, freak.
You have issues.
I tried to tell you Briles was scary evil. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Don't be mad at me that you got duped (and still are, apparently) by his superficial southern "charm."
you keep alluding that you have some sort of info on Briles, but, you don't know crap
I don't have any inside info on Briles.
My impression is based on what is readily observable to anyone:
1. the way his players act on the field
2. the sudden success at recruiting....at Baylor
3. the history of Baylor and its lack of institutional control
4. the fact that Baylor and Briles seem like a perfect fit for each other
5. the fact that Briles accepts kids that schools like Boise State and Penn. State (Pedo State!) have determined are unacceptable
6. the egotistical, phony way in which Briles interacts with the media
7. the entire culture he has created that is observable to anyone watching (see #1, flashy uniforms, the way his assistants act on the sidelines, etc.)
8. the consistent allegations that he was very crooked at Stephenville and was complicit in rampant steroid abuse
9. the fact that Gary Patterson (post-game) has all but said that Briles and Baylor were cheating at recruiting
10. the fact that Texas passed on Briles when they had the chance to hire him
(recently)11. the fact that Peterson would unnecessarily stick his nose into a situation and claim that he warned Briles about the rapist
(recently) 12. the fact that neither Starr nor McCall have said anything remotely resembling a vote of confidence for Briles
The rape stuff is just the tip of the iceberg.....not inside information, just a prediction based on what I can observe. If Briles manages to coach another five years (which will only be possible by avoiding scandal) I will admit that I was wrong. (It ain't going to happen, though. I will predict two years, max.)
Post by: GoodForAnother on August 25, 2015, 01:50:25 PM
he and Baylor are no more evil that every other program (Bill recruited a murderer) but people are up in arms because everyone hates Baylor
Post by: CHONGS on August 25, 2015, 02:18:58 PM
Post by: Trim on August 25, 2015, 03:32:22 PM
crap we forgot to notice the flashy uniforms guys...case CLOSED
Not a fact.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 25, 2015, 08:19:55 PM
Post by: meow meow on August 26, 2015, 08:34:01 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 26, 2015, 09:59:42 AM
I think Briles is crooked as crap but that's just mho
when I first read this post I thought it said "cool as crap" and I was about to lose it Dickstone
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on August 27, 2015, 11:16:35 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 29, 2015, 12:15:54 AM
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Ex-BU-Players-Father-Says-Briles-Wasnt-Told-About-Violent-Attack-323149521.html?device=phone&c=y
Post by: Tobias on August 29, 2015, 12:19:39 AM
Post by: bones129 on August 29, 2015, 12:20:48 AM
Post by: DOD Take 2 on August 29, 2015, 12:49:31 AM
Steffy knew this too, he just didn't want to tell
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Ex-BU-Players-Father-Says-Briles-Wasnt-Told-About-Violent-Attack-323149521.html?device=phone&c=y
This guy isn't exactly trustworthy. Does he honestly expect someone to believe a coach would have a conversation like that in earshot of the player and their father? That's absurd.
Post by: bones129 on August 29, 2015, 01:05:00 AM
Steffy knew this too, he just didn't want to tell
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Ex-BU-Players-Father-Says-Briles-Wasnt-Told-About-Violent-Attack-323149521.html?device=phone&c=y
This guy isn't exactly trustworthy. Does he honestly expect someone to believe a coach would have a conversation like that in earshot of the player and their father? That's absurd.
Interesting point. Food for thought. That said, we'll never know the truth.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 29, 2015, 05:28:12 AM
Steffy knew this too, he just didn't want to tell
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Ex-BU-Players-Father-Says-Briles-Wasnt-Told-About-Violent-Attack-323149521.html?device=phone&c=y
This guy isn't exactly trustworthy. Does he honestly expect someone to believe a coach would have a conversation like that in earshot of the player and their father? That's absurd.
Did you read the article? He was in the next room. What reason would he have for siding with Briles?
Post by: KITNfury on August 29, 2015, 06:40:52 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 29, 2015, 10:33:06 AM
Post by: wetwillie on August 29, 2015, 10:45:02 AM
Post by: #LIFE on August 29, 2015, 11:52:01 AM
Post by: DOD Take 2 on August 29, 2015, 12:30:26 PM
Steffy knew this too, he just didn't want to tell
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Ex-BU-Players-Father-Says-Briles-Wasnt-Told-About-Violent-Attack-323149521.html?device=phone&c=y
This guy isn't exactly trustworthy. Does he honestly expect someone to believe a coach would have a conversation like that in earshot of the player and their father? That's absurd.
Did you read the article? He was in the next room. What reason would he have for siding with Briles?
Doesn't the next room qualify as earshot if the guy can hear it? Bottom line is a coach isn't conducting business like that.
Post by: DOD Take 2 on August 29, 2015, 12:37:40 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 29, 2015, 01:30:26 PM
Steffy knew this too, he just didn't want to tell
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Ex-BU-Players-Father-Says-Briles-Wasnt-Told-About-Violent-Attack-323149521.html?device=phone&c=y
This guy isn't exactly trustworthy. Does he honestly expect someone to believe a coach would have a conversation like that in earshot of the player and their father? That's absurd.
Did you read the article? He was in the next room. What reason would he have for siding with Briles?
Doesn't the next room qualify as earshot if the guy can hear it? Bottom line is a coach isn't conducting business like that.
Chris Peterson definitely didn't tell Art Briles about the violent attack, that's 100% certain. If Some of you guys spent more time reading and less time hottaking you would have read in this thread that Chris Peterson didn't know he beat his girlfriend's ass because she didn't tell anyone at Boise about it, it wasn't revealed until the trial.
Just so you guys can get the takes right, the question is to whether or not Peterson told Briles that Ukwuachu punched through glass and drunkenly threatened her, not that he beat her up. The damn link says that she didn't tell Boise that he beat her up so how in the hell could Peterson tell Briles something he didn't even know?
Before you call Briles a liar and anyone who doesn't support the Briles is lying narrative, I strongly suggest you read first to try to keep up with what's happening.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 29, 2015, 01:36:36 PM
It's doesn't really matter if Briles knew before he came or not - if he didn't know he probably should have. Giving the guy a second chance isn't the issue, it's trying to keep him on the field after raping a girl and rough ridin' up the second chance. He also lied/skirted around the truth of the reason he wasn't playing.
Well now I know you've read something since you mentioned that he never revealed why Ukwuachu was suspended, you got that right. They didn't try to keep him on the field though, he was suspended. I don't think we should ignore the fact he was suspended because Phil Bennett told some boosters he would play this season. The real issue is the completely abhorrent way Baylor treated the victim, they're going to get their asses handed to them in the title IX lawsuit.
Post by: DOD Take 2 on August 29, 2015, 01:50:32 PM
It's doesn't really matter if Briles knew before he came or not - if he didn't know he probably should have. Giving the guy a second chance isn't the issue, it's trying to keep him on the field after raping a girl and rough ridin' up the second chance. He also lied/skirted around the truth of the reason he wasn't playing.
Well now I know you've read something since you mentioned that he never revealed why Ukwuachu was suspended, you got that right. They didn't try to keep him on the field though, he was suspended. I don't think we should ignore the fact he was suspended because Phil Bennett told some boosters he would play this season. The real issue is the completely abhorrent way Baylor treated the victim, they're going to get their asses handed to them in the title IX lawsuit.
I've read everything I've seen on it. Just because she didn't mention those things until the trial doesn't mean that the coaching staff couldn't have heard about it from someone else. She says she didn't tell the school - it doesn't mean she didn't tell someone else. Also, I'm not just taking what everyone says at face value. Some people probably aren't telling the truth. We also don't know what else Boise knew about him that they could have possibly told Baylor. There could easily be more than what is known publicly.
Yeah he was suspended but they were actively working to get him back on the team until Texas Monthly blew the thing open. You don't work to get 2nd chance rapists back on the team. He should have kicked him off the team permanently. Baylor deserves to get hammered by the Title IX suit, but Briles shouldn't be looked at as a completely honest or ethical person.
Post by: DOD Take 2 on August 29, 2015, 01:54:35 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 29, 2015, 02:28:16 PM
It's doesn't really matter if Briles knew before he came or not - if he didn't know he probably should have. Giving the guy a second chance isn't the issue, it's trying to keep him on the field after raping a girl and rough ridin' up the second chance. He also lied/skirted around the truth of the reason he wasn't playing.
Well now I know you've read something since you mentioned that he never revealed why Ukwuachu was suspended, you got that right. They didn't try to keep him on the field though, he was suspended. I don't think we should ignore the fact he was suspended because Phil Bennett told some boosters he would play this season. The real issue is the completely abhorrent way Baylor treated the victim, they're going to get their asses handed to them in the title IX lawsuit.
I've read everything I've seen on it. Just because she didn't mention those things until the trial doesn't mean that the coaching staff couldn't have heard about it from someone else. She says she didn't tell the school - it doesn't mean she didn't tell someone else. Also, I'm not just taking what everyone says at face value. Some people probably aren't telling the truth. We also don't know what else Boise knew about him that they could have possibly told Baylor. There could easily be more than what is known publicly.
Yeah he was suspended but they were actively working to get him back on the team until Texas Monthly blew the thing open. You don't work to get 2nd chance rapists back on the team. He should have kicked him off the team permanently. Baylor deserves to get hammered by the Title IX suit, but Briles shouldn't be looked at as a completely honest or ethical person.
He's definitely not that
Post by: Katpappy on August 29, 2015, 09:23:52 PM
So Briles knew the kid was dismissed, spoke to his former coach but didn't know? :ROFL:Hey quit picking on MIR; he believes. :crossfingers:
Post by: Katpappy on August 29, 2015, 09:26:55 PM
MIR supports black athletes being able to freely rape women and everyone that covers it up for them. ShockerHe has a man crush on Briles. :Wha:
Post by: Unruly on September 12, 2015, 12:58:47 AM
Post by: bones129 on September 12, 2015, 01:04:26 AM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13633636/baylor-bears-suspend-two-coaches-including-art-briles-son-one-game-recruiting-violation
Tip of the iceberg? :dunno:
Post by: Steffy08 on September 12, 2015, 07:15:32 AM
It's doesn't really matter if Briles knew before he came or not - if he didn't know he probably should have. Giving the guy a second chance isn't the issue, it's trying to keep him on the field after raping a girl and rough ridin' up the second chance. He also lied/skirted around the truth of the reason he wasn't playing.
Well now I know you've read something since you mentioned that he never revealed why Ukwuachu was suspended, you got that right. They didn't try to keep him on the field though, he was suspended. I don't think we should ignore the fact he was suspended because Phil Bennett told some boosters he would play this season. The real issue is the completely abhorrent way Baylor treated the victim, they're going to get their asses handed to them in the title IX lawsuit.
I've read everything I've seen on it. Just because she didn't mention those things until the trial doesn't mean that the coaching staff couldn't have heard about it from someone else. She says she didn't tell the school - it doesn't mean she didn't tell someone else. Also, I'm not just taking what everyone says at face value. Some people probably aren't telling the truth. We also don't know what else Boise knew about him that they could have possibly told Baylor. There could easily be more than what is known publicly.
Yeah he was suspended but they were actively working to get him back on the team until Texas Monthly blew the thing open. You don't work to get 2nd chance rapists back on the team. He should have kicked him off the team permanently. Baylor deserves to get hammered by the Title IX suit, but Briles shouldn't be looked at as a completely honest or ethical person.
He's definitely not that
But he is adorable, right?
I wonder how Florida knew to stay away from the rapist?
Briles asking his son to take the fall for recruiting violations is priceless.
Iceberg hit; ship going down.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 21, 2015, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: SEK_EMAW on September 21, 2015, 03:34:09 PM
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article35984442.html#storylink=cpy
Post by: Steffy08 on September 21, 2015, 04:07:34 PM
Post by: meow meow on September 21, 2015, 04:18:32 PM
Post by: steve dave on September 21, 2015, 07:00:29 PM
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on September 21, 2015, 07:24:13 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 21, 2015, 10:57:59 PM
What the hell is a steffy?
i wondered this too... this is one of the google results (page not found)
William Alford Steffy Sex Offender in Wichita, KS 67203
:sdeek:
Post by: Tobias on September 21, 2015, 11:02:44 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 21, 2015, 11:06:10 PM
Post by: Bloodfart on September 21, 2015, 11:26:37 PM
What the hell is a steffy?
i wondered this too... this is one of the google results (page not found)
William Alford Steffy Sex Offender in Wichita, KS 67203
:sdeek:
User names are always intriguing to me.
Post by: Tobias on September 21, 2015, 11:27:13 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 21, 2015, 11:37:36 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on September 22, 2015, 10:47:16 AM
As to Briles: Anybody who believes anything Briles says about the latest scandal is beyond naïve. This latest one will get the NCAA involved, which is why Briles is already nervous and apologizing. Local DA's and rape victims might be pushed aside in Waco, but NCAA investigators will prove to be a little more problematic.
Post by: meow meow on September 22, 2015, 10:50:51 AM
Post by: Tobias on September 22, 2015, 10:54:59 AM
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 22, 2015, 11:01:18 AM
Message board rule 27: If you can't respond to the logic/merits of someone's posts, accuse them of being a sex offender (or racist).
As to Briles: Anybody who believes anything Briles says about the latest scandal is beyond naïve. This latest one will get the NCAA involved, which is why Briles is already nervous and apologizing. Local DA's and rape victims might be pushed aside in Waco, but NCAA investigators will prove to be a little more problematic.
what you're attempting to describe is Godwin's law, you imbecile.
Post by: Blackcats on September 22, 2015, 11:06:01 AM
Message board rule 27: If you can't respond to the logic/merits of someone's posts, accuse them of being a sex offender (or racist).
As to Briles: Anybody who believes anything Briles says about the latest scandal is beyond naïve. This latest one will get the NCAA involved, which is why Briles is already nervous and apologizing. Local DA's and rape victims might be pushed aside in Waco, but NCAA investigators will prove to be a little more problematic.
what you're attempting to describe is Godwin's law, you imbecile.
STEFFY IS CLEARLY A NAZI!!
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 22, 2015, 11:12:17 AM
Message board rule 27: If you can't respond to the logic/merits of someone's posts, accuse them of being a sex offender (or racist).
As to Briles: Anybody who believes anything Briles says about the latest scandal is beyond naïve. This latest one will get the NCAA involved, which is why Briles is already nervous and apologizing. Local DA's and rape victims might be pushed aside in Waco, but NCAA investigators will prove to be a little more problematic.
what you're attempting to describe is Godwin's law, you imbecile.
STEFFY IS CLEARLY A NAZI!!
give me a long enough timeline and I'll equate him to the version of Adolph Hitler pictured in Adam Sandler's classic film, Little Nicky.
Post by: kslim on September 22, 2015, 11:14:05 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on September 22, 2015, 01:23:10 PM
I'm beginning to think maybe briles Batt BcKee'd a member of steffy's family? v weird obsession
Nope, just don't like rape.
Post by: Tobias on September 22, 2015, 02:42:57 PM
Post by: Gooch on September 22, 2015, 02:50:19 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 22, 2015, 03:09:12 PM
I'm beginning to think maybe briles Batt BcKee'd a member of steffy's family? v weird obsession
Nope, just don't like rape.
Who did Art Briles rape?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 22, 2015, 03:11:17 PM
Post by: Katpappy on September 22, 2015, 03:17:58 PM
I am beginning to feel a certain hostility towards Steffy and I as we blow hug holes in Art Briles, the huge liarThe Art Briles secret admirers are defiantly Steffy haters.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 22, 2015, 03:56:09 PM
Post by: Gooch on September 22, 2015, 03:57:17 PM
Art Briles looks like the whiny "avenge me!" dad in the original Red Dawn.:thumbs:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 06, 2015, 06:54:41 AM
Post by: Asteriskhead on November 06, 2015, 08:23:44 AM
5-1 vs Snyder, even starting a true Freshman QB in his first start. There are now two coaches in the conference that absolutely own Snyder, and a couple of others waiting on financing approval to take ownership.
This quote makes me wish he was our coach, almost.
https://twitter.com/Jake_Trotter/status/662488363543359489
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 31, 2016, 11:00:58 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2016, 11:26:36 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on January 31, 2016, 11:40:33 AM
https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/693815220825886720
That shouldn't be that big of a surprise. After all they aren't that far removed from the basketball scandal. Crazy that a baptist school would have so many issues with this stuff.
Post by: CNS on January 31, 2016, 11:59:28 AM
Post by: manpow5 on January 31, 2016, 12:20:21 PM
https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/693815220825886720
That shouldn't be that big of a surprise. After all they aren't that far removed from the basketball scandal. Crazy that a baptist school would have so many issues with this stuff.
That's the exact reason why they have so many issues. They want to uphold this good Baptist image so they sweep everything under the rug to save face.
Post by: pissclams on January 31, 2016, 01:09:43 PM
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Post by: WildcatPower on January 31, 2016, 05:08:38 PM
Post by: bucket on January 31, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
SMU must get really butthurt when they watch Baylor slip out of every scandal with minimal consequence.
:lol:
Post by: Steffy08 on January 31, 2016, 10:46:53 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 31, 2016, 10:53:23 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 01, 2016, 08:41:39 AM
I would like to hire a publicly shamed Briles.
I would, too, but Baylor doesn't have the moral fortitude to fire him.
Post by: KITNfury on February 01, 2016, 08:45:42 AM
Post by: SdK on February 01, 2016, 09:31:57 AM
No, actually it's not. More likely to cover it up I'd think.https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/693815220825886720
That shouldn't be that big of a surprise. After all they aren't that far removed from the basketball scandal. Crazy that a baptist school would have so many issues with this stuff.
Post by: SdK on February 01, 2016, 09:33:35 AM
I would not. I'd rather have oscar Weber coaching our football team than a guy that allows rapists on his team.I would like to hire a publicly shamed Briles.
I would, too, but Baylor doesn't have the moral fortitude to fire him.
Post by: deputy dawg on February 01, 2016, 09:50:53 AM
https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/693815220825886720
That shouldn't be that big of a surprise. After all they aren't that far removed from the basketball scandal. Crazy that a baptist school would have so many issues with this stuff.
That's the exact reason why they have so many issues. They want to uphold this good Baptist image so they sweep everything under the rug to save face.
Hmmm...Christian zealots tend to have a higher rate of sex offenses and overall sexual deviance. The players/coaches may not be zealots, but are governed by an institution led by zealots. Only surprise is that this didn't come out earlier, or with more frequency.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 01, 2016, 09:51:49 AM
I would not. I'd rather have oscar Weber coaching our football team than a guy that allows rapists on his team.I would like to hire a publicly shamed Briles.
I would, too, but Baylor doesn't have the moral fortitude to fire him.
The coach's job is to win, period. He's not capable of stopping rape investigations without the full aid and support of Baylor. A coach should get the best players available and the school should balance that, just like K-State did when Snyder tried to get a murderer on his team.
Post by: CHONGS on February 01, 2016, 10:10:26 AM
This is how Penn State stuff happens and why it will almost certainly happen again.
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2016, 10:16:43 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on February 01, 2016, 10:36:14 AM
I would not. I'd rather have oscar Weber coaching our football team than a guy that allows rapists on his team.I would like to hire a publicly shamed Briles.
I would, too, but Baylor doesn't have the moral fortitude to fire him.
The coach's job is to win, period. He's not capable of stopping rape investigations without the full aid and support of Baylor. A coach should get the best players available and the school should balance that, just like K-State did when Snyder tried to get a murderer on his team.
Is that you, Art?
A coaches job is not "to win, period." They have obligations to the university and to the players beyond just winning.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 01, 2016, 11:00:24 AM
Post by: SdK on February 01, 2016, 11:12:59 AM
Pfffft no.I would not. I'd rather have oscar Weber coaching our football team than a guy that allows rapists on his team.I would like to hire a publicly shamed Briles.
I would, too, but Baylor doesn't have the moral fortitude to fire him.
The coach's job is to win, period. He's not capable of stopping rape investigations without the full aid and support of Baylor. A coach should get the best players available and the school should balance that, just like K-State did when Snyder tried to get a murderer on his team.
Post by: CNS on February 01, 2016, 11:45:42 AM
1. Uni should never be the entity in charge of investigating anything. Their police force should be parking ppl only. Real actual police, from the muni that the uni exists in, should be the ppl that handle crime. I have no idea how this is not the case everywhere. I mean, WTF? I get raped and I am going to tell my teacher? eff that. Call the cops.
2. there are plenty of ppl accused of plenty of things. I don't necessarily think that anyone should be held out of anything unless there are significant signs that they were involved in the behavior they are accused of, or even charged.
3. It isn't Briles' job to find evidence, weigh it, charge the kid, and dish out justice. I mean, if someone came to him with an accusation, he should def report it and let the judicial system sort it out, but he should def not be part of the sorting out.
One of the stupidest things in our country, when it comes to domestic and sexual violence, is that the entire dumbass country is comfy letting colleges police themselves as if they are part of the judicial. So dumb.
Post by: Trim on February 01, 2016, 11:58:35 AM
3 things:
1. Uni should never be the entity in charge of investigating anything. Their police force should be parking ppl only. Real actual police, from the muni that the uni exists in, should be the ppl that handle crime. I have no idea how this is not the case everywhere. I mean, WTF? I get raped and I am going to tell my teacher? eff that. Call the cops.
2. there are plenty of ppl accused of plenty of things. I don't necessarily think that anyone should be held out of anything unless there are significant signs that they were involved in the behavior they are accused of, or even charged.
3. It isn't Briles' job to find evidence, weigh it, charge the kid, and dish out justice. I mean, if someone came to him with an accusation, he should def report it and let the judicial system sort it out, but he should def not be part of the sorting out.
One of the stupidest things in our country, when it comes to domestic and sexual violence, is that the entire dumbass country is comfy letting colleges police themselves as if they are part of the judicial. So dumb.
Yes. I read the story and had to keep going back to the start and re-reading because I didn't understand why there was so much about how the university was resolving this crime among its students.
Post by: Missouriscribe on February 01, 2016, 03:12:11 PM
3 things:
1. Uni should never be the entity in charge of investigating anything. Their police force should be parking ppl only. Real actual police, from the muni that the uni exists in, should be the ppl that handle crime. I have no idea how this is not the case everywhere. I mean, WTF? I get raped and I am going to tell my teacher? eff that. Call the cops.
2. there are plenty of ppl accused of plenty of things. I don't necessarily think that anyone should be held out of anything unless there are significant signs that they were involved in the behavior they are accused of, or even charged.
3. It isn't Briles' job to find evidence, weigh it, charge the kid, and dish out justice. I mean, if someone came to him with an accusation, he should def report it and let the judicial system sort it out, but he should def not be part of the sorting out.
One of the stupidest things in our country, when it comes to domestic and sexual violence, is that the entire dumbass country is comfy letting colleges police themselves as if they are part of the judicial. So dumb.
agreed. I'd add to number one that universities shouldn't be able to hire police officers from the city the university is located in. That would cut the incentive so many police chiefs have to play nice with the school until they can double dip on retirements.
Post by: AbeFroman on February 01, 2016, 03:28:13 PM
Post by: SdK on February 01, 2016, 04:03:43 PM
There are plenty of MCMW things you can do that don't involve sweeping rape under the rug. eff Art BrilesExactly.
Post by: Steffy08 on February 01, 2016, 04:39:28 PM
I can no longer say this is the "tip of the iceberg," because that would diminish the rape incidents. But there is plenty more disgusting stuff to come out of Waco involving Briles and Baylor.
Post by: meow meow on February 01, 2016, 05:05:17 PM
Post by: Katpappy on February 01, 2016, 06:39:51 PM
you don't know anything
And you do, kitty cat? :whistle1:
Post by: MakeItRain on February 01, 2016, 10:19:12 PM
MakeItRain is awful quiet. Remember when he was all "Briles is so adorable!" when Briles was doing his fake, good-old-boy act? And how defensive he got when I told him Briles was a scumbag and that he was a tool for falling for that schtick.
I can no longer say this is the "tip of the iceberg," because that would diminish the rape incidents. But there is plenty more disgusting stuff to come out of Waco involving Briles and Baylor.
His appearance on Highly Questionable was definitely adorable, neither he nor any of his players committed rape on the show. He laughed with Papillion, it was great.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on February 23, 2016, 09:59:13 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 23, 2016, 10:44:25 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 23, 2016, 11:22:37 AM
Most all college coaches are pieces of crap in various ways, ya dummy.
At least saban, miles, bielema etc. are like "yeah, I am a huge piece of crap, so what?" and don't do the fake god squad crap like briles.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on February 23, 2016, 12:31:10 PM
Most all college coaches are pieces of crap in various ways, ya dummy.
HCGMFP is perfect.
Post by: deputy dawg on February 23, 2016, 12:44:31 PM
3 things:
1. Uni should never be the entity in charge of investigating anything. Their police force should be parking ppl only. Real actual police, from the muni that the uni exists in, should be the ppl that handle crime. I have no idea how this is not the case everywhere. I mean, WTF? I get raped and I am going to tell my teacher? eff that. Call the cops.
2. there are plenty of ppl accused of plenty of things. I don't necessarily think that anyone should be held out of anything unless there are significant signs that they were involved in the behavior they are accused of, or even charged.
3. It isn't Briles' job to find evidence, weigh it, charge the kid, and dish out justice. I mean, if someone came to him with an accusation, he should def report it and let the judicial system sort it out, but he should def not be part of the sorting out.
One of the stupidest things in our country, when it comes to domestic and sexual violence, is that the entire dumbass country is comfy letting colleges police themselves as if they are part of the judicial. So dumb.
Campus cops are commissioned law enforcement officers, like all cops. They have to submit reports to the county or district court, like all cops (maybe municipal court, at times). They don't have any incentives to hide crimes on campus, quite the opposite--they typically don't get a lot of violent crime cases, and tend to work them to get the harshest prosecution.
KU is the one university that I've seen try to game the campus cops thing. They hired the retiring Lawrence PD police chief so that he could snag police reports going to the DA, and I suspect he got them before the DA did. THAT is the only law enforcement gap I've seen in campus police forces.
Post by: Gooch on February 23, 2016, 12:52:55 PM
Fat, sweaty, and perpetually butthurt about something. Yep perfect. :thumbsup:Most all college coaches are pieces of crap in various ways, ya dummy.
HCGMFP is perfect.
Post by: Tobias on February 23, 2016, 01:47:11 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on February 23, 2016, 04:14:02 PM
Fat, sweaty, and perpetually butthurt about something. Yep perfect. :thumbsup:
Jealousy because he doesn't coach purple little brother doesn't mean he isn't perfect.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on February 23, 2016, 04:14:50 PM
if a pervasive lawless drug culture is what you're into, also perfect! :drool:
HCGMFP isn't Art Briles. He actually disciplines his football players and doesn't cover up crimes that they commit.
Post by: Steffy08 on February 23, 2016, 04:36:43 PM
if a pervasive lawless drug culture is what you're into, also perfect! :drool:
HCGMFP isn't Art Briles. He actually disciplines his football players and doesn't cover up crimes that they commit.
Don't get too worked up, Frog. There are a vocal minority of posters on this board who were duped by Briles "aw shucks" schtick. Most rationale people know that Patterson is the boss and that Briles' days are numbered.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 23, 2016, 06:44:48 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on February 24, 2016, 08:39:34 AM
Post by: SdK on February 26, 2016, 08:07:33 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2016, 01:52:15 PM
Most people understand the difference between trying to avoid public disclosure of some parking tickets compared to keeping a guy who has been accused of five separate rapes on your football team.
Yeah, uh, I know the difference.
Post by: Steffy08 on March 31, 2016, 10:33:15 PM
Post by: bones129 on March 31, 2016, 10:41:28 PM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/306548127/Baylor-Title-IX-Lawsuit
Post by: Steffy08 on April 08, 2016, 07:29:29 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2016, 08:47:32 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on April 08, 2016, 10:33:21 PM
Sean Oakman being rapey is the least surprising thing ever.
Yep; two players (iwachuetc) that were kicked out of other schools, and Briles took them. Briles and Baylor are rotten to the core.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2016, 07:50:19 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 09, 2016, 10:55:12 AM
Post by: That_Guy on April 13, 2016, 07:02:36 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 13, 2016, 08:40:52 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/report--baylor-waited-two-years-to-investigate-sexual-assault-claim-171938159.html
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on April 14, 2016, 09:52:37 AM
Post by: pissclams on April 14, 2016, 10:06:40 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 14, 2016, 10:11:45 AM
Post by: kim carnes on April 14, 2016, 10:26:19 AM
Post by: pissclams on April 14, 2016, 11:48:28 AM
I can't say I'd be that upset if I was a Baylor fan
obviously they don't care, this sort of garbage is what it takes to win at their garbage school
take away the drugs, murders, rapes, cover ups, etc, and no one would even know their name
Post by: Steffy08 on April 14, 2016, 11:54:11 AM
I can't say I'd be that upset if I was a Baylor fan
obviously they don't care, this sort of garbage is what it takes to win at their garbage school
take away the drugs, murders, rapes, cover ups, etc, and no one would even know their name
Snyder could win at Baylor without the raping.
Which brings us full circle, doesn't it?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 14, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
Post by: Cire on April 14, 2016, 02:10:48 PM
Post by: tdaver on April 15, 2016, 11:09:18 AM
http://www.sltrib.com/news/3770084-155/byu-students-say-victims-of-sexual
http://www.sltrib.com/news/3773615-155/prosecutor-says-rape-case-is-threatened
Post by: MakeItRain on April 15, 2016, 11:23:19 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on April 25, 2016, 12:12:18 PM
Not adorable, not at all.
Post by: kso_FAN on April 25, 2016, 12:41:40 PM
More Baylor bad stuff. Plenty more to come.
Not adorable, not at all.
https://twitter.com/AlexDunlapNFL/status/724627455047143424
This could get ugly for Art.
Post by: MakeItRain on April 25, 2016, 01:17:01 PM
More Baylor bad stuff. Plenty more to come.
Not adorable, not at all.
https://twitter.com/AlexDunlapNFL/status/724627455047143424
This could get ugly for Art.
And the AD and Ken Starr. Here's the issue though, if the issue is institutional at a private institution who provides the heat?
Post by: Steffy08 on April 25, 2016, 01:19:59 PM
More Baylor bad stuff. Plenty more to come.
Not adorable, not at all.
https://twitter.com/AlexDunlapNFL/status/724627455047143424
This could get ugly for Art.
And the AD and Ken Starr. Here's the issue though, if the issue is institutional at a private institution who provides the heat?
Me and Dugout.
Post by: Missouriscribe on April 25, 2016, 01:21:19 PM
More Baylor bad stuff. Plenty more to come.
Not adorable, not at all.
https://twitter.com/AlexDunlapNFL/status/724627455047143424
This could get ugly for Art.
And the AD and Ken Starr. Here's the issue though, if the issue is institutional at a private institution who provides the heat?
I think it's teed up pretty nicely for ESPN, SI, etc. They're not doing anything to tick off a school with a big national following, but they can take down a new $ football power and promote social justice, title 9, and the like.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 25, 2016, 01:32:51 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on April 25, 2016, 01:53:25 PM
Yeah, Baylor is going to get excoriated by the national media outlets because they just don't carry enough clout. For a true blue blood it really has to get bad before it goes beyond 24/7 cycle filler.
Just the opposite; if this stuff had been going on at UT, OSU, or Bama, it would've already come to light and been a huge story years ago (like 5-10 rapes ago). I mean, we all know the story about OSU and the tattoo scandal; that seems pretty ridiculous compared to this stuff, doesn't it?
Post by: slobber on April 25, 2016, 02:01:15 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on April 25, 2016, 09:33:25 PM
More Baylor bad stuff. Plenty more to come.
Not adorable, not at all.
https://twitter.com/AlexDunlapNFL/status/724627455047143424
This could get ugly for Art.
And the AD and Ken Starr. Here's the issue though, if the issue is institutional at a private institution who provides the heat?
I think it's teed up pretty nicely for ESPN, SI, etc. They're not doing anything to tick off a school with a big national following, but they can take down a new $ football power and promote social justice, title 9, and the like.
Right, they've been getting being negative national attention, they've been on OTL more than once. Can any other college other than Mizzou and UNC make that claim? The point is that this issue is institutional; Ian McCaw can't fire Brlies over this and Starr can't fire McCaw without one of the two of them burning it down with Starr in the building. They don't have a BOR and there is no way the donors will put heat on, just blame the players. All three of those guys have to get gassed, who's gonna do it?
Post by: wetwillie on April 25, 2016, 09:53:14 PM
Post by: Tobias on April 25, 2016, 10:01:29 PM
Post by: Missouriscribe on April 26, 2016, 10:22:47 AM
More Baylor bad stuff. Plenty more to come.
Not adorable, not at all.
https://twitter.com/AlexDunlapNFL/status/724627455047143424
This could get ugly for Art.
And the AD and Ken Starr. Here's the issue though, if the issue is institutional at a private institution who provides the heat?
I think it's teed up pretty nicely for ESPN, SI, etc. They're not doing anything to tick off a school with a big national following, but they can take down a new $ football power and promote social justice, title 9, and the like.
Right, they've been getting being negative national attention, they've been on OTL more than once. Can any other college other than Mizzou and UNC make that claim? The point is that this issue is institutional; Ian McCaw can't fire Brlies over this and Starr can't fire McCaw without one of the two of them burning it down with Starr in the building. They don't have a BOR and there is no way the donors will put heat on, just blame the players. All three of those guys have to get gassed, who's gonna do it?
Interesting. They seem to have a major scandal every 15 years or so. The Bliss thing in the early 2000s, a sex for recruits scandal in the 80s covered in Friday Night Lights.
Post by: pissclams on April 26, 2016, 10:31:13 AM
would pretty much have to be chip and joanna at this point:lol:
Post by: ednksu on April 26, 2016, 10:33:01 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/4gg4wr/comprehensive_baylor_timeline_covering/
I don't understand how K-State is getting slammed in the national media and OTL is barely covering this. This program needs to be shut down tomorrow.
Post by: Skipper44 on April 26, 2016, 12:34:11 PM
Maybe the NCAA ala the Penn State sanctions? Of course, the NCAA walked back on bunch of those. I guess the conference could do itMore Baylor bad stuff. Plenty more to come.
Not adorable, not at all.
https://twitter.com/AlexDunlapNFL/status/724627455047143424
This could get ugly for Art.
And the AD and Ken Starr. Here's the issue though, if the issue is institutional at a private institution who provides the heat?
I think it's teed up pretty nicely for ESPN, SI, etc. They're not doing anything to tick off a school with a big national following, but they can take down a new $ football power and promote social justice, title 9, and the like.
Right, they've been getting being negative national attention, they've been on OTL more than once. Can any other college other than Mizzou and UNC make that claim? The point is that this issue is institutional; Ian McCaw can't fire Brlies over this and Starr can't fire McCaw without one of the two of them burning it down with Starr in the building. They don't have a BOR and there is no way the donors will put heat on, just blame the players. All three of those guys have to get gassed, who's gonna do it?
Post by: That_Guy on April 26, 2016, 02:56:16 PM
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Post by: TCUHornedFrog on April 26, 2016, 03:27:16 PM
r/cbf has a good timeline of events (hopefully not lukes)
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/4gg4wr/comprehensive_baylor_timeline_covering/
I don't understand how K-State is getting slammed in the national media and OTL is barely covering this. This program needs to be shut down tomorrow.
:sdeek: That's awful when it's laid out like that. Art Briles and bible aggie should be ashamed.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 27, 2016, 11:33:27 AM
Post by: ednksu on April 27, 2016, 11:46:16 AM
r/cbf has a good timeline of events (hopefully not lukes)
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/4gg4wr/comprehensive_baylor_timeline_covering/
I don't understand how K-State is getting slammed in the national media and OTL is barely covering this. This program needs to be shut down tomorrow.
:sdeek: That's awful when it's laid out like that. Art Briles and bible aggie should be ashamed.
I'd have no problem with the Dept of Ed shuttered the entire athletics department. And I wish there were significant criminal liabilities for everyone from the college prez down through the AD to Briles.
Post by: DQ12 on April 27, 2016, 04:55:11 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on April 27, 2016, 04:56:28 PM
I'd have no problem with the Dept of Ed shuttered the entire athletics department. And I wish there were significant criminal liabilities for everyone from the college prez down through the AD to Briles.
:excited: I'd be cool with that as long as they burned the school down and set the bear free at the same time. Preferably with no warning to the student body and GoPros posted everywhere.
Post by: Katpappy on April 27, 2016, 11:44:39 PM
Mods, this TCU guy needs to be shackled. :surprised: :horrorsurprise:I'd have no problem with the Dept of Ed shuttered the entire athletics department. And I wish there were significant criminal liabilities for everyone from the college prez down through the AD to Briles.
:excited: I'd be cool with that as long as they burned the school down and set the bear free at the same time. Preferably with no warning to the student body and GoPros posted everywhere.
Post by: nicname on April 28, 2016, 08:31:34 AM
Post by: RickRampus on April 28, 2016, 09:13:51 AM
I think it's about time to remove Art from my sig. Was probably time a year ago. Despicable.
maybe just take the name off? I kind of like that signature.
Post by: kso_FAN on May 18, 2016, 12:37:18 PM
How many terrible things involving BB/FB can happen at one university?
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/15562625/waco-police-records-reveal-additional-violence-allegations-baylor-football-players
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 18, 2016, 01:19:36 PM
Post by: Trim on May 18, 2016, 01:34:05 PM
This is as bad as penn state
So build a Briles statue? Then we could add their respective statues to the Briles > Snyder analysis.
Post by: pissclams on May 18, 2016, 02:44:21 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 18, 2016, 02:52:49 PM
This is as bad as penn state
So build a Briles statue? Then we could add their respective statues to the Briles > Snyder analysis.
They probably will
Post by: PowercatPat on May 18, 2016, 03:55:07 PM
Post by: That_Guy on May 18, 2016, 11:16:22 PM
Briles should be fired. That's highly unlikely to happen though.
How the eff has this not happened yet, how have they not reviewed the death penalty yet?
Post by: MakeItRain on May 19, 2016, 01:02:54 AM
Briles should be fired. That's highly unlikely to happen though.
How the eff has this not happened yet, how have they not reviewed the death penalty yet?
Uh, because his AD and UP are just as complicit.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 19, 2016, 08:25:26 AM
Briles should be fired. That's highly unlikely to happen though.
How the eff has this not happened yet, how have they not reviewed the death penalty yet?
Uh, because his AD and UP are just as complicit.
Yeah, the administration should be fired/step down before they deal with Briles.
Post by: NeverII on May 19, 2016, 08:29:34 AM
Briles should be fired. That's highly unlikely to happen though.
How the eff has this not happened yet, how have they not reviewed the death penalty yet?
Uh, because his AD and UP are just as complicit.
Not to mention the NCAA doesn't have the stones to do it again. SMU getting leveled with the DP was what ultimately dissolved the SWC. So unless this is part of some massive ploy to appease ESPN by breaking up the Big 12 for good and getting to four 16-team super conferences, it's not going to happen. But I think I just stumbled upon a new conspiracy theory :horrorsurprise:
Post by: Steffy08 on May 19, 2016, 08:50:19 AM
Briles should be fired. That's highly unlikely to happen though.
How the eff has this not happened yet, how have they not reviewed the death penalty yet?
Uh, because his AD and UP are just as complicit.
Not to mention the NCAA doesn't have the stones to do it again. SMU getting leveled with the DP was what ultimately dissolved the SWC. So unless this is part of some massive ploy to appease ESPN by breaking up the Big 12 for good and getting to four 16-team super conferences, it's not going to happen. But I think I just stumbled upon a new conspiracy theory :horrorsurprise:
Baylor getting the death penalty would have no negative effect on the stability of the Big 12; in fact, the current members might damn well prefer to kick Baylor out and open up room for another member.
Post by: CNS on May 19, 2016, 09:33:49 AM
Quote
In April, Outside the Lines reported that Baylor did not investigate a sexual assault report made against football players Tre'Von Armstead and Shamycheal Chatman for more than two years, despite the school's obligation to do so under federal law. They never faced charges.
This is a hugely frustrating thing that comes up every time something like this happens. The school is not a law enforcement entity. The cops, and only the cops, should be investigating anything. Once the investigations are complete, then the uni can dole out non-criminal repercussions and the state can proceed with any criminal process. I mean, if I worked at Quick Trip and raped my coworker or a customer, QT shouldn't be the one investigating anything.
This is such a mumped up system.
Also, in this specific case, it is pretty obvious that there needs to be substantial turn over in the police department as well.
There is too much money in college sports.
Post by: kso_FAN on May 19, 2016, 09:38:48 AM
QuoteIn April, Outside the Lines reported that Baylor did not investigate a sexual assault report made against football players Tre'Von Armstead and Shamycheal Chatman for more than two years, despite the school's obligation to do so under federal law. They never faced charges.
This is a hugely frustrating thing that comes up every time something like this happens. The school is not a law enforcement entity. The cops, and only the cops, should be investigating anything. Once the investigations are complete, then the uni can dole out non-criminal repercussions and the state can proceed with any criminal process. I mean, if I worked at Quick Trip and raped my coworker or a customer, QT shouldn't be the one investigating anything.
This is such a mumped up system.
Also, in this specific case, it is pretty obvious that there needs to be substantial turn over in the police department as well.
There is too much money in college sports.
Yes to all of this. Its become a mess.
Post by: CNS on May 19, 2016, 09:44:32 AM
RapeAggie is going to need a whole stable of oscar'esque coaches.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 19, 2016, 10:10:32 AM
QuoteIn April, Outside the Lines reported that Baylor did not investigate a sexual assault report made against football players Tre'Von Armstead and Shamycheal Chatman for more than two years, despite the school's obligation to do so under federal law. They never faced charges.
This is a hugely frustrating thing that comes up every time something like this happens. The school is not a law enforcement entity. The cops, and only the cops, should be investigating anything. Once the investigations are complete, then the uni can dole out non-criminal repercussions and the state can proceed with any criminal process. I mean, if I worked at Quick Trip and raped my coworker or a customer, QT shouldn't be the one investigating anything.
This is such a mumped up system.
Also, in this specific case, it is pretty obvious that there needs to be substantial turn over in the police department as well.
There is too much money in college sports.
If you worked at QuickTrip and were accused of raping a coworker, there would be an investigation by QuickTrip to see if they need to fire you immediately. Quicktrip isn't going to prosecute you; they don't have the power to throw you in jail. But they are paying you a salary, and you are wearing the company logo every time you should up to work. Also, Quicktrip would probably self-evaluate and say: "Wow, we hired a rapist. What can we do to try to ensure that we don't hire another rapist like that?" Like, say, that you had been fired from Quickstop for allegedly raping somebody at their store, and the manager at Quickstop had called and warned Quicktrip about why they fired you. Under this scenario, Quicktrip would probably say, "let's not hire people like that again, no matter how good of a
You are assuming that "investigation" means criminal investigation, and you are forgetting that Baylor is paying these guys full scholarship and introducing these animals to their campus.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 19, 2016, 10:12:31 AM
QuoteIn April, Outside the Lines reported that Baylor did not investigate a sexual assault report made against football players Tre'Von Armstead and Shamycheal Chatman for more than two years, despite the school's obligation to do so under federal law. They never faced charges.
This is a hugely frustrating thing that comes up every time something like this happens. The school is not a law enforcement entity. The cops, and only the cops, should be investigating anything. Once the investigations are complete, then the uni can dole out non-criminal repercussions and the state can proceed with any criminal process. I mean, if I worked at Quick Trip and raped my coworker or a customer, QT shouldn't be the one investigating anything.
This is such a mumped up system.
Also, in this specific case, it is pretty obvious that there needs to be substantial turn over in the police department as well.
There is too much money in college sports.
Do you really think that Quicktrip shouldn't fire you unless, and until, you have been found guilty by a jury beyond a reasonable doubt of committing the crime?
Post by: HerrSonntag on May 19, 2016, 02:05:38 PM
People get fired to alleged impropriety all the time, the bar is not near as high as the legal system.QuoteIn April, Outside the Lines reported that Baylor did not investigate a sexual assault report made against football players Tre'Von Armstead and Shamycheal Chatman for more than two years, despite the school's obligation to do so under federal law. They never faced charges.
This is a hugely frustrating thing that comes up every time something like this happens. The school is not a law enforcement entity. The cops, and only the cops, should be investigating anything. Once the investigations are complete, then the uni can dole out non-criminal repercussions and the state can proceed with any criminal process. I mean, if I worked at Quick Trip and raped my coworker or a customer, QT shouldn't be the one investigating anything.
This is such a mumped up system.
Also, in this specific case, it is pretty obvious that there needs to be substantial turn over in the police department as well.
There is too much money in college sports.
Do you really think that Quicktrip shouldn't fire you unless, and until, you have been found guilty by a jury beyond a reasonable doubt of committing the crime?
Post by: CNS on May 19, 2016, 02:42:58 PM
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Post by: Steffy08 on May 19, 2016, 02:54:59 PM
No one said QT wouldn't fire that person. You guys are getting lost in the weeds.
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How is QT going to make a decision about whether to fire that person without doing some sort of investigation?
Post by: kslim on May 19, 2016, 03:34:35 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 19, 2016, 03:50:36 PM
I want a hot dog
Buffalo chicken roller and for the Big 12 to kick Baylor out
Post by: WildcatNation on May 19, 2016, 04:03:03 PM
Baylor's board of regents is considering firing head coach Art Briles amid a sexual assault and domestic violence scandal, sources told Mac Engel of the Star-Telegram.
The news comes just hours after ESPN's Outside the Lines released more examples of the university allegedly covering up criminal behavior by members of the football team. While the board is expected to retain Briles, the sources confirmed the discussion about firing the successful coach is ongoing.
http://www.thescore.com/news/1029664
Post by: CNS on May 19, 2016, 04:13:14 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 19, 2016, 04:15:53 PM
How quick does Texas or an SEC school hire Art? I mean, I don't think he should schedule any family vacations in the next month or two.
Kansas State may be looking for a head coach next offseason.
Post by: CNS on May 19, 2016, 04:16:37 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 19, 2016, 06:57:53 PM
This is as bad as penn state
Not even possible
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 19, 2016, 07:01:56 PM
Post by: That_Guy on May 19, 2016, 07:19:50 PM
This is as bad as penn state
Not even possible
It's all just awful.
Post by: michigancat on May 19, 2016, 07:25:22 PM
Did you read the article FAN linked? The Waco police department basically did nothing themselves (and actually appeared to help cover up some of these cases). If anything this is the best reason for an additional party doing SOME sort of investigation.QuoteIn April, Outside the Lines reported that Baylor did not investigate a sexual assault report made against football players Tre'Von Armstead and Shamycheal Chatman for more than two years, despite the school's obligation to do so under federal law. They never faced charges.
This is a hugely frustrating thing that comes up every time something like this happens. The school is not a law enforcement entity. The cops, and only the cops, should be investigating anything. Once the investigations are complete, then the uni can dole out non-criminal repercussions and the state can proceed with any criminal process. I mean, if I worked at Quick Trip and raped my coworker or a customer, QT shouldn't be the one investigating anything.
This is such a mumped up system.
Also, in this specific case, it is pretty obvious that there needs to be substantial turn over in the police department as well.
There is too much money in college sports.
Post by: CNS on May 19, 2016, 07:29:47 PM
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Post by: HELLHAMMER on May 19, 2016, 08:26:33 PM
It feels good to be right constantly.
Post by: michigancat on May 19, 2016, 08:38:48 PM
Yeah, I read it. That is why I also noted that the police dept needs to.have some turn over too, but, whatever.
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Well, I guess I think it's strange that the university investigating sexual assaults is one of your main takeaways from this mess.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 19, 2016, 08:59:51 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 19, 2016, 09:18:02 PM
Not surlrised, Michigancat desires a police state where myriad quasi law enforcement agencies investigate the same alleged crime to ensure the perp gets his or is at least ruined by the process.I'm surlrised FSD is so pro Briles/rape.
:frown:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 19, 2016, 09:24:22 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 19, 2016, 10:13:43 PM
Texas AG says Baylor must release parts of sexual assault records
Post by: MakeItRain on May 19, 2016, 10:21:37 PM
I told a random Baylor fan that his team was full of rapists and various other criminals at halftime of last years game. Some tuck reprimanded me for talking crap so I sauntered off in a drunken strut.
It feels good to be right constantly.
I'm not about to throw the first stone. It seems virtually impossible that nearly all college football programs don't have rapey incidents covered up, sheer numbers alone dictate the number of reported assaults committed by football players is likely pretty low, and that's without discussing the culture of football players and the added dynamic of how they're treated on campuses. This Amy Schumer clip absolutely nailed it, the payoff is at the end.
http://deadspin.com/amy-schumers-sketch-about-football-players-who-rape-was-1699461849
Post by: kso_FAN on May 20, 2016, 07:01:16 AM
https://twitter.com/coachartbriles/status/733425470205628416
Post by: RickRampus on May 20, 2016, 08:36:05 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 20, 2016, 08:59:02 AM
Post by: Tobias on May 20, 2016, 08:59:56 AM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 20, 2016, 09:26:11 AM
They will never fire him. They are just as bad as he is
this
Post by: PowercatPat on May 20, 2016, 09:39:56 AM
What a guy.
https://twitter.com/coachartbriles/status/733425470205628416
That is one of the most laughable tweets I have ever seen.
Post by: steve dave on May 20, 2016, 10:03:45 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 20, 2016, 10:05:38 AM
if they fire him we should hire him immediately. he could be our football bob huggins.
Then I would have to expose/totally blow holes in our own coach. that isn't my style
Post by: Tobias on May 20, 2016, 10:06:26 AM
Post by: Trim on May 20, 2016, 10:07:09 AM
if they fire him we should hire him immediately. he could be our football bob huggins.
Where would Mitch rank a Briles hire?
Post by: meow meow on May 20, 2016, 10:17:53 AM
briles/currie dynamic would be amazing
briles/kill/currie
Post by: meow meow on May 20, 2016, 10:18:21 AM
Post by: pvegs on May 20, 2016, 01:26:00 PM
What a guy.
https://twitter.com/coachartbriles/status/733425470205628416
Guys, remind me to not bitch abt Snyder/Currie our admin ever again...
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 21, 2016, 11:10:56 AM
Post by: pvegs on May 21, 2016, 11:30:00 AM
briles/currie dynamic would be amazing
briles/kill/currie
eff briles, marry kill, kill currie
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 12:34:30 PM
do you guys remember when I predicted this?
Ahem, I think I was like five pages before you. It's good to have a peer on this board, though. Cheers, Dugout
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 12:40:37 PM
He drag raced his charger down the main road through Baylor campus. Lost control, demolished a fence and plowed his car straight into a building. Source: A+
Nothing the Waco PD was interested in, apparently. Not even a blood alcohol test.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 21, 2016, 12:51:28 PM
He got like a decade long show cause order.
Post by: Tobias on May 21, 2016, 01:07:55 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 21, 2016, 01:32:07 PM
it was dugout
Of course but Steffy was like my Canada on this continent
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 10:18:14 PM
Every single person in this thread, steffy being the exception, would trade Snyder in for Art right now.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 10:23:43 PM
No, I said we need to revisit in 10 years; at that time it will be clear who better coach was and currently is. . . . Briles is a good coach but I think there are going to be problems long term. His teams do not show a great amount of discipline and his approach depends on having better athletes. . . . Plus, I think there will be some discipline and recruiting issues long-term. The way they handled the Dixon assault is telling.....completely swept under the rug.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 10:30:11 PM
Let's revisit in ten years. Snyder will be hall of famer; maybe have a national championship. Regardless of what Briles manages to achieve before the crap hits the fan, we know it will have hit the fan in ten years. When it does, even Dave Bliss will be appalled.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 10:32:10 PM
a simple "i was wrong" would have worked
Because kslim is an bad person
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 10:34:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKdz6sTUsAAu6RZ.png)
Very fitting, the criminal analogy and all.
Briles is scary evil.
That house of cards is going to be fun to watch burn to the ground. I imagine Snyder will still be coaching when it happens, which will be soon.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 10:37:04 PM
Briles cheats
link?
www.youknowitstrue.com
See also www.justwait.com
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 10:38:05 PM
winning is the only trait that matters and he is doing it at rough ridin' baylor. just shut up alreadyhow could people anyone not like Briles? he's a phenomenal coach, very respectful of LHOFHCBS, and hilarious. plus he's got that folksy texas high school coach charm.
How anyone with a brain could not see through his schtick is beyond me. Briles has the worst traits from Roy Williams and Dave Bliss. A scary combination.
Just wait.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 10:40:13 PM
OMG Briles was absolutely adorable on Highly Questionable today :love:
You're a dope
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 10:41:28 PM
Outside of Gundy, Briles is the most full of crap coach in the conf. His gross ears also make me sick
Dugout with two nice points
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 10:43:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKdz6sTUsAAu6RZ.png)
Very fitting, the criminal analogy and all.
Briles is scary evil.
That house of cards is going to be fun to watch burn to the ground. I imagine Snyder will still be coaching when it happens, which will be soon.
Seems like a good day to revisit this.
Today's events are just the tip of the iceberg. Trust me.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 21, 2016, 10:47:08 PM
Every single person in this thread, steffy being the exception, would trade Snyder in for Art right now.
This is still true
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 10:48:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKdz6sTUsAAu6RZ.png)
Very fitting, the criminal analogy and all.
Briles is scary evil.
That house of cards is going to be fun to watch burn to the ground. I imagine Snyder will still be coaching when it happens, which will be soon.
Seems like a good day to revisit this.
Today's events are just the tip of the iceberg. Trust me.
Being dishonest about someone else's dishonesty, fantastic.
What?
Just admit that you are a horrible judge of character, and move on.
I'm not (and never was) claiming to have inside information. It's just common sense.
There will be more bad stuff to come.
What have I had to say about Briles character other to say he was lying? So I'm confused do you like him or not?
Are you serious? You've posting for months about how "adorable" Briles is, talking about what a great coach he is, all while many on this board were telling you he was a dirtbag.
Just admit you fell for his schtick, and then the matter will be done.
Saying he had an adorable appearance on Highly Questionable and saying he's a good football says what exactly about his character?
You're handling this about as well as Briles and Baylor handled the rape.
So nothing? Thought so, keep flailing.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 10:51:02 PM
http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past
Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?
You are too funny.
You've had every chance to jump, but it seems you are determined to go down with this sinking ship.
Very Baylor-ly of you.
I'm going to enjoy watching it happen to Briles, Baylor, and you.
I'm still waiting for your stupid ass to post a link of me saying anything about Briles' character other than me calling him a liar. Your meltdown is because I had a one line post mentioning that Briles was adorable on a rough ridin' television show. Produce the link of me calling a dumb rough ridin' football coach a good man, contribute to the actual conversation happening, or just shut the eff up, freak.
You have issues.
I tried to tell you Briles was scary evil. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Don't be mad at me that you got duped (and still are, apparently) by his superficial southern "charm."
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 10:53:27 PM
http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past
Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?
You are too funny.
You've had every chance to jump, but it seems you are determined to go down with this sinking ship.
Very Baylor-ly of you.
I'm going to enjoy watching it happen to Briles, Baylor, and you.
I'm still waiting for your stupid ass to post a link of me saying anything about Briles' character other than me calling him a liar. Your meltdown is because I had a one line post mentioning that Briles was adorable on a rough ridin' television show. Produce the link of me calling a dumb rough ridin' football coach a good man, contribute to the actual conversation happening, or just shut the eff up, freak.
You have issues.
I tried to tell you Briles was scary evil. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Don't be mad at me that you got duped (and still are, apparently) by his superficial southern "charm."
you keep alluding that you have some sort of info on Briles, but, you don't know crap
I don't have any inside info on Briles.
My impression is based on what is readily observable to anyone:
1. the way his players act on the field
2. the sudden success at recruiting....at Baylor
3. the history of Baylor and its lack of institutional control
4. the fact that Baylor and Briles seem like a perfect fit for each other
5. the fact that Briles accepts kids that schools like Boise State and Penn. State (Pedo State!) have determined are unacceptable
6. the egotistical, phony way in which Briles interacts with the media
7. the entire culture he has created that is observable to anyone watching (see #1, flashy uniforms, the way his assistants act on the sidelines, etc.)
8. the consistent allegations that he was very crooked at Stephenville and was complicit in rampant steroid abuse
9. the fact that Gary Patterson (post-game) has all but said that Briles and Baylor were cheating at recruiting
10. the fact that Texas passed on Briles when they had the chance to hire him
(recently)11. the fact that Peterson would unnecessarily stick his nose into a situation and claim that he warned Briles about the rapist
(recently) 12. the fact that neither Starr nor McCall have said anything remotely resembling a vote of confidence for Briles
The rape stuff is just the tip of the iceberg.....not inside information, just a prediction based on what I can observe. If Briles manages to coach another five years (which will only be possible by avoiding scandal) I will admit that I was wrong. (It ain't going to happen, though. I will predict two years, max.)
Post by: Steffy08 on May 21, 2016, 10:56:50 PM
Every single person in this thread, steffy being the exception, would trade Snyder in for Art right now.
This is still true
1. LOL no, it is not true.
2. You, too, are scary evil
Post by: MadCat on May 21, 2016, 11:41:52 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 21, 2016, 11:44:56 PM
Post by: Trim on May 21, 2016, 11:47:40 PM
Post by: kim carnes on May 21, 2016, 11:53:18 PM
Post by: Trim on May 22, 2016, 01:32:00 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2016, 09:22:02 AM
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Post by: Steffy08 on May 22, 2016, 09:36:08 AM
This weirdo psycho thinks he's going to get praised for this instead of ridiculed
The nastier the name-calling by rain, the more wrong he is.
If he calls you psycho, it means you pretty much have demolished him.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2016, 09:48:41 AM
Yeah I would not want Briles at this point.
Another on team Briles is a smelly cheater with gross ears.
Post by: Trim on May 22, 2016, 10:57:06 AM
Post by: waks on May 22, 2016, 11:53:21 AM
:lol:
Let's revisit in ten years. Snyder will be hall of famer; maybe have a national championship. Regardless of what Briles manages to achieve before the crap hits the fan, we know it will have hit the fan in ten years. When it does, even Dave Bliss will be appalled.
Post by: pvegs on May 22, 2016, 01:31:36 PM
Did you guys hear the one about how Corey Coleman celebrated his high draft pick? I thought not; old habits die hard for Rapelor and the Waco PD.
He drag raced his charger down the main road through Baylor campus. Lost control, demolished a fence and plowed his car straight into a building. Source: A+
Nothing the Waco PD was interested in, apparently. Not even a blood alcohol test.
This is a p. good story, Steffy. Also, I would not trade Snyder for Briles. I like our comfortable rut. I know what to expect.
Post by: kslim on May 22, 2016, 03:14:22 PM
damna simple "i was wrong" would have worked
Because kslim is an bad person
Post by: Katpappy on May 22, 2016, 10:05:30 PM
Hey guys, I been on the team for awhile now. :thumbsup:Yeah I would not want Briles at this point.
Another on team Briles is a smelly cheater with gross ears.
Post by: sekpoke on May 23, 2016, 09:43:06 PM
http://prevailandride.blogspot.com/2016/05/baylor-has-rape-problem.html?m=1 (http://prevailandride.blogspot.com/2016/05/baylor-has-rape-problem.html?m=1)
Post by: Tobias on May 24, 2016, 11:40:31 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 24, 2016, 01:23:12 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 24, 2016, 01:53:55 PM
Post by: pissclams on May 24, 2016, 02:21:51 PM
Bible aggie is disgusting. Briles should be bounced with Starr.
they might be disgusting but they're not dumb, briles will survive this
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 24, 2016, 02:51:45 PM
they might be disgusting but they're not dumb, briles will survive this
Yea, they won't fire him. They should, but they won't.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 24, 2016, 03:49:00 PM
Bible aggie is disgusting. Briles should be bounced with Starr.
they might be disgusting but they're not dumb, briles will survive this
It's both disgusting and dumb. The gig is over for Briles. Even if they don't fire him, he can't be effective going forward.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 24, 2016, 03:56:05 PM
I bet you tons of $ he is.Bible aggie is disgusting. Briles should be bounced with Starr.
they might be disgusting but they're not dumb, briles will survive this
It's both disgusting and dumb. The gig is over for Briles. Even if they don't fire him, he can't be effective going forward.
Post by: wetwillie on May 24, 2016, 04:16:55 PM
Post by: pissclams on May 24, 2016, 04:28:15 PM
Bible aggie is disgusting. Briles should be bounced with Starr.
they might be disgusting but they're not dumb, briles will survive this
It's both disgusting and dumb. The gig is over for Briles. Even if they don't fire him, he can't be effective going forward.
i said baylor isn't dumb, and they're not.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 24, 2016, 06:46:53 PM
Bible aggie is disgusting. Briles should be bounced with Starr.
they might be disgusting but they're not dumb, briles will survive this
It's both disgusting and dumb. The gig is over for Briles. Even if they don't fire him, he can't be effective going forward.
i said baylor isn't dumb, and they're not.
Keeping Briles would be dumb. The honeymoon is over; he lied, cheated, and swept under the rug to a nice little run. But he won't be able to do that anymore; the spotlight will be hot. Not to mention, he has lost support from a portion of the fan base. No longer will his bs "ah shucks" schtick be charming and adorable......just creepy.
I would actually prefer the slow, painful death that will occur if they don't fire him. It is what Briles and Baylor both deserve. But I don't know what will happen; my best guess is that he will get fired.
Post by: Katpappy on May 24, 2016, 07:14:04 PM
They may fire him, but you can bet your ass, that some other school will pick him up quickly.Bible aggie is disgusting. Briles should be bounced with Starr.
they might be disgusting but they're not dumb, briles will survive this
It's both disgusting and dumb. The gig is over for Briles. Even if they don't fire him, he can't be effective going forward.
i said baylor isn't dumb, and they're not.
Keeping Briles would be dumb. The honeymoon is over; he lied, cheated, and swept under the rug to a nice little run. But he won't be able to do that anymore; the spotlight will be hot. Not to mention, he has lost support from a portion of the fan base. No longer will his bs "ah shucks" schtick be charming and adorable......just creepy.
I would actually prefer the slow, painful death that will occur if they don't fire him. It is what Briles and Baylor both deserve. But I don't know what will happen; my best guess is that he will get fired.
Post by: Katpappy on May 24, 2016, 07:15:48 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on May 24, 2016, 07:48:35 PM
They may fire him, but you can bet your ass, that some other school will pick him up quickly.Bible aggie is disgusting. Briles should be bounced with Starr.
they might be disgusting but they're not dumb, briles will survive this
It's both disgusting and dumb. The gig is over for Briles. Even if they don't fire him, he can't be effective going forward.
i said baylor isn't dumb, and they're not.
Keeping Briles would be dumb. The honeymoon is over; he lied, cheated, and swept under the rug to a nice little run. But he won't be able to do that anymore; the spotlight will be hot. Not to mention, he has lost support from a portion of the fan base. No longer will his bs "ah shucks" schtick be charming and adorable......just creepy.
I would actually prefer the slow, painful death that will occur if they don't fire him. It is what Briles and Baylor both deserve. But I don't know what will happen; my best guess is that he will get fired.
There are some schools that would hire a publicly-disgraced Briles, after a few years. UTEP perhaps, or Arky State sounds about right. But no decent program will touch him.
Post by: pissclams on May 24, 2016, 07:51:24 PM
Bible aggie is disgusting. Briles should be bounced with Starr.
they might be disgusting but they're not dumb, briles will survive this
It's both disgusting and dumb. The gig is over for Briles. Even if they don't fire him, he can't be effective going forward.
i said baylor isn't dumb, and they're not.
Keeping Briles would be dumb. The honeymoon is over; he lied, cheated, and swept under the rug to a nice little run. But he won't be able to do that anymore; the spotlight will be hot. Not to mention, he has lost support from a portion of the fan base. No longer will his bs "ah shucks" schtick be charming and adorable......just creepy.
I would actually prefer the slow, painful death that will occur if they don't fire him. It is what Briles and Baylor both deserve. But I don't know what will happen; my best guess is that he will get fired.
none of the things that he's done matter to baylor's administration. they can't afford to play by the rules, they're sitting on a $300 million dollar stadium that they just built. if they were to fire their current coach/proven winner for breaking the rules, they have to follow that action up with a oscar weber "good guy" hire. unfortunately for k-state hoops fans, that's not going to happen.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 24, 2016, 10:48:08 PM
Just go check out the digusting baylorfans forums. Those delusional idiots think UT is trying to steal Briles amongst other dumb crap.
Briles will be staying in Waco. The boosters that bought all the new trucks for their football players don't want him gone.
Bible aggie's disgusting fake piety is one of the reasons I hate them. If Briles hadn't been winning then his ass would be out. Since he has improved their recruiting and turned that loser school into a winner in football, they won't be getting rid of him.
Ken Starr will get bounced as will some other non-important people, but Briles will get a pass.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 24, 2016, 11:07:49 PM
Bible aggie is disgusting. Briles should be bounced with Starr.
they might be disgusting but they're not dumb, briles will survive this
It's both disgusting and dumb. The gig is over for Briles. Even if they don't fire him, he can't be effective going forward.
i said baylor isn't dumb, and they're not.
Keeping Briles would be dumb. The honeymoon is over; he lied, cheated, and swept under the rug to a nice little run. But he won't be able to do that anymore; the spotlight will be hot. Not to mention, he has lost support from a portion of the fan base. No longer will his bs "ah shucks" schtick be charming and adorable......just creepy.
I would actually prefer the slow, painful death that will occur if they don't fire him. It is what Briles and Baylor both deserve. But I don't know what will happen; my best guess is that he will get fired.
none of the things that he's done matter to baylor's administration. they can't afford to play by the rules, they're sitting on a $300 million dollar stadium that they just built. if they were to fire their current coach/proven winner for breaking the rules, they have to follow that action up with a oscar weber "good guy" hire. unfortunately for k-state hoops fans, that's not going to happen.
Dude, you're not getting what I am saying. I'm not predicting whether he will get fired or not. Im saying that, if he doesn't, he will not continue to have the success he was having. You said that if Baylor hires a new coach, he will have to play by the rules. Same goes for Briles going forward at Baykor, except probably double. I guarantee you that a program that was sweeping rapes under the rug is also recruiting dirty and complicit in steroid use. It won't fly going forward. So Baylor can either try to win clean with a new coach, or watch Briles slip into mediocrity when forced to play clean. You say they can't afford to play by the rules.....but they can't afford not to, either. They are screwed. (Karma is a mother f'er.). I believe they will eventually come to this realization and cut bait with Briles, but I don't know for sure.
Post by: pissclams on May 24, 2016, 11:10:01 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on May 24, 2016, 11:16:26 PM
Briles hasn't lost the fan base.
Just go check out the digusting baylorfans forums. Those delusional idiots think UT is trying to steal Briles amongst other dumb crap.
Briles will be staying in Waco. The boosters that bought all the new trucks for their football players don't want him gone.
Bible aggie's disgusting fake piety is one of the reasons I hate them. If Briles hadn't been winning then his ass would be out. Since he has improved their recruiting and turned that loser school into a winner in football, they won't be getting rid of him.
Ken Starr will get bounced as will some other non-important people, but Briles will get a pass.
Yes, the idiots on baylorfans are unbelievable, but that isn't reflective of the entire fan base. Think if someone tried to gauge the ksu fan base based on this message board. And, in any event, most people whose opinion really matters aren't posting on boards like us schmucks are.
I am quite sure that there are many people at Baylor who are now disgusted with Briles. Even if that is just 10% of the base, it is still tough to win when 10% of the base hates you and is looking for reasons to can you. Baylor is going to be down next year; can you imagine how the 10% would react if, say, Baylor lost to Osu early and then stumbled to a 7-5 season.
He has been permanently crippled by this scandal. (Karma)
Post by: kim carnes on May 24, 2016, 11:19:06 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2016, 07:16:46 AM
Post by: pissclams on May 25, 2016, 08:35:19 AM
The TCU vs Baylor hate fest is like Yale v Harvard but for dumb people.
except it's not a tcu vs baylor hatefest. it's an everyone vs. baylor hatefest and it always has been.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 25, 2016, 08:50:00 AM
The TCU vs Baylor hate fest is like Yale v Harvard but for dumb people.
except it's not a tcu vs baylor hatefest. it's an everyone vs. baylor hatefest and it always has been.
This
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 25, 2016, 09:03:52 AM
Yes, the idiots on baylorfans are unbelievable, but that isn't reflective of the entire fan base. Think if someone tried to gauge the ksu fan base based on this message board. And, in any event, most people whose opinion really matters aren't posting on boards like us schmucks are.
I am quite sure that there are many people at Baylor who are now disgusted with Briles. Even if that is just 10% of the base, it is still tough to win when 10% of the base hates you and is looking for reasons to can you. Baylor is going to be down next year; can you imagine how the 10% would react if, say, Baylor lost to Osu early and then stumbled to a 7-5 season.
He has been permanently crippled by this scandal. (Karma)
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, but none of the bible aggie alumni that I work with (3 or 4 of them) give a crap about this. They just want the football team to stay good.
Ken Starr will fall on the sword. Their AD might even fall on the sword. Briles will live on and will continue to be a dirty eff.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 09:08:42 AM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 25, 2016, 09:16:12 AM
Pro tip: If it was your school too. You'd just want your football team to be good too. Did you give a crap that your starting QB lived in a mound of blow? Answer: No!
That's not what we're discussing. Stay on topic please.
Post by: chum1 on May 25, 2016, 09:23:49 AM
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Post by: meow meow on May 25, 2016, 10:05:10 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on May 25, 2016, 10:07:55 AM
I just want to make sure I am understanding your argument Steffy. Baylor is demonstrably showing that they will not punish Briles or the football program despite damning allegations. Because of this, they are going to try super hard to punish Briles and the football program in the future? I don't see it.
The heat coming forward will be primarily from external sources, who didn't give a crap about Baylor before all of this. But also from the minority of Baylor fans who are embarrassed by this POS.
The board of regents is like a 25-30 person board. I'm sure there are a multitude of perspectives represented. Look, I think the whole thing is disgusting; I don't think it would happen at KSU because there are principled people who would not let it get this far. But I'm not willing to believe that there isn't a segment of the BU that can't see this for what it is. Surely there are those people. They probably just don't post as often on message boards. (Maybe they should.) I really want to believe that anyway...
Post by: Steffy08 on May 25, 2016, 10:09:27 AM
steffy should stick to the ins and outs of redshirts
Well, except I was 2-3 years ahead of this board on this issue.
I'm still not sure I completely understand the redshirt issue. Just glad that Dante got one.
Post by: ChiComCat on May 25, 2016, 10:20:14 AM
Also, lol @ any reputable university president taking the Baylor job after this.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2016, 10:24:52 AM
steffy should stick to the ins and outs of redshirts
Well, except I was 2-3 years ahead of this board on this issue.
I'm still not sure I completely understand the redshirt issue. Just glad that Dante got one.
It's pretty disturbing that you knew about these rapes 2-3 years ago and said nothing.
Post by: pvegs on May 25, 2016, 10:42:31 AM
Pro tip: If it was your school too. You'd just want your football team to be good too. Did you give a crap that your starting QB lived in a mound of blow? Answer: No!
Man, I really can't even understand what wacky is saying here. Boykin was on coke? Hubes was on coke? Former cat qbs were on coke? Purely a hypothetical? Now I know how ppl must feel reading my posts.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 10:50:01 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2016, 10:58:12 AM
They're QB before Boykins was a drug addict, pvegs.
I just don't see that as a big deal.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 11:03:09 AM
exactlyThey're QB before Boykins was a drug addict, pvegs.
I just don't see that as a big deal.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 25, 2016, 11:04:59 AM
I'm sure that some people want Briles out but if this type of scandal doesn't get it done, nothing will. The power clearly lies with people that have chosen to let almost anything go and to sacrifice anybody at the university before him. They aren't the people that are likely to be needling around the program looking for problems.
Also, lol @ any reputable university president taking the Baylor job after this.
I agree that Briles would be emboldened if this were all playing out behind closed doors, but the public aspect of it changes the dynamics.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2016, 12:58:49 PM
Post by: catastrophe on May 25, 2016, 01:14:19 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2016, 01:19:38 PM
Boy, what a joke it would be if the school was like, "well the AD and president are gone because they knew what was going on in the football program, but the coach who is highest paid and closest to the action was clueless."
The president would be the one deciding not to pursue an investigation or to cover up a crime.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 25, 2016, 01:32:48 PM
Boy, what a joke it would be if the school was like, "well the AD and president are gone because they knew what was going on in the football program, but the coach who is highest paid and closest to the action was clueless."
The president would be the one deciding not to pursue an investigation or to cover up a crime.
So Joe Paterno goes to the university president and says some kids are getting diddled and president does nothing and that's all Joe can do?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2016, 01:39:34 PM
Boy, what a joke it would be if the school was like, "well the AD and president are gone because they knew what was going on in the football program, but the coach who is highest paid and closest to the action was clueless."
The president would be the one deciding not to pursue an investigation or to cover up a crime.
So Joe Paterno goes to the university president and says some kids are getting diddled and president does nothing and that's all Joe can do?
No, Joe can call the cops. In this case, weren't the police already investigating?
Post by: fatdamon on May 25, 2016, 02:08:03 PM
They're QB before Boykins was a drug addict, pvegs.
:D
Post by: kslim on May 25, 2016, 02:33:14 PM
Post by: kslim on May 25, 2016, 02:35:28 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2016, 02:38:56 PM
maybe its just me but if a ksu qb was doing blow id probably just tell them to switch nostrils from time to time, if the ksu qb was raping girls im going to a jayhawk grad kbi officer.
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Post by: chum1 on May 25, 2016, 02:42:16 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on May 25, 2016, 02:44:30 PM
Did GE.blog really just compare doing a rape to doing cocaine? Really ??
I would say that Wacky probably doesn't speak for the majority of the blog. He did though. He absolutely did.
Post by: kslim on May 25, 2016, 02:45:32 PM
What about raping cocaine addict QBs?death nail
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 02:50:52 PM
Post by: kslim on May 25, 2016, 02:56:05 PM
Well if you don't hand select parts of what I said, then yeah, I guess that's what it looks like. But all anyone cares about is winning football games and ppl won't remember this with Briles two years from now. Now go tell us how much of a badass you wanted to be towards dscott, kslim, you badass you!everything alright man? you seem sad. also my comment would not have been toward dscott it would have been fitz.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 02:56:14 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 02:57:33 PM
I was responding to this fwiw
Yes, the idiots on baylorfans are unbelievable, but that isn't reflective of the entire fan base. Think if someone tried to gauge the ksu fan base based on this message board. And, in any event, most people whose opinion really matters aren't posting on boards like us schmucks are.
I am quite sure that there are many people at Baylor who are now disgusted with Briles. Even if that is just 10% of the base, it is still tough to win when 10% of the base hates you and is looking for reasons to can you. Baylor is going to be down next year; can you imagine how the 10% would react if, say, Baylor lost to Osu early and then stumbled to a 7-5 season.
He has been permanently crippled by this scandal. (Karma)
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, but none of the bible aggie alumni that I work with (3 or 4 of them) give a crap about this. They just want the football team to stay good.
Ken Starr will fall on the sword. Their AD might even fall on the sword. Briles will live on and will continue to be a dirty eff.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 02:58:38 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 03:03:08 PM
You guys are right though. The K-State way, is always to take the high road. You wouldn't want this swept under the rug. Especially when it comes to your QB. You wouldn't care about winning, you'd want to shine light on it. Ellrobersonisinnocent, amirite, guys?(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F66.media.tumblr.com%2Fe95bd2a317c632ad00fce24bbf9385ca%2Ftumblr_mloa08X1v91rq3i3ro1_1280.gif&hash=05a1871cb0bac9739bd07c62d83c4593666943b5)
Post by: CNS on May 25, 2016, 03:04:12 PM
I think the subject has changed to Hubener being a coke head.
Seems like he would be faster if this was true.
Post by: kslim on May 25, 2016, 03:05:27 PM
You guys are right though. The K-State way, is always to take the high road. You wouldn't want this swept under the rug. Especially when it comes to your QB. You wouldn't care about winning, you'd want to shine light on it. Ellrobersonisinnocent, amirite, guys?are you stupid? how is this the same? two ex baylor players have been proven guilty in a court of law. ells ex side piece admitted to just being a jealous becky
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 03:08:12 PM
Am I stupid? We had no evidence until afterwards, dummy. Everyone wanted him to play and nobody really gave a crap what went down. I dislike Baylor, but everyone acting like it's a rape factory compared to other programs, are kidding themselves.You guys are right though. The K-State way, is always to take the high road. You wouldn't want this swept under the rug. Especially when it comes to your QB. You wouldn't care about winning, you'd want to shine light on it. Ellrobersonisinnocent, amirite, guys?are you stupid? how is this the same? two ex baylor players have been proven guilty in a court of law. ells ex side piece admitted to just being a jealous becky
Post by: kslim on May 25, 2016, 03:10:43 PM
and like i posted above, if we have players raping girls they need to be in jail and snyder/currie/ect need fired asap. dont be obtuse in your statementsAm I stupid? We had no evidence until afterwards, dummy. Everyone wanted him to play and nobody really gave a crap what went down. I dislike Baylor, but everyone acting like it's a rape factory compared to other programs, are kidding themselves.You guys are right though. The K-State way, is always to take the high road. You wouldn't want this swept under the rug. Especially when it comes to your QB. You wouldn't care about winning, you'd want to shine light on it. Ellrobersonisinnocent, amirite, guys?are you stupid? how is this the same? two ex baylor players have been proven guilty in a court of law. ells ex side piece admitted to just being a jealous becky
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 25, 2016, 03:20:04 PM
Am I stupid? We had no evidence until afterwards, dummy. Everyone wanted him to play and nobody really gave a crap what went down. I dislike Baylor, but everyone acting like it's a rape factory compared to other programs, are kidding themselves.
The evidence points to bible aggie being a rape factory compared to other programs tho.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2016, 03:24:09 PM
and like i posted above, if we have players raping girls they need to be in jail and snyder/currie/ect need fired asap. dont be obtuse in your statementsAm I stupid? We had no evidence until afterwards, dummy. Everyone wanted him to play and nobody really gave a crap what went down. I dislike Baylor, but everyone acting like it's a rape factory compared to other programs, are kidding themselves.You guys are right though. The K-State way, is always to take the high road. You wouldn't want this swept under the rug. Especially when it comes to your QB. You wouldn't care about winning, you'd want to shine light on it. Ellrobersonisinnocent, amirite, guys?are you stupid? how is this the same? two ex baylor players have been proven guilty in a court of law. ells ex side piece admitted to just being a jealous becky
Snyder/Currie/etc would only really need to be fired if they are actively trying to keep the rapists on the team out of jail. You could make a strong case for firing Shultz over the 2 women currently suing K-State for not investigating their rapes, but Shultz is gone, anyway.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 03:26:34 PM
Post by: kslim on May 25, 2016, 03:26:48 PM
correct, so correlating the two is so absurd i cant even wrap my head around it. also how the eff the waco PD not being just drug through the mud right now is equally as troubling.and like i posted above, if we have players raping girls they need to be in jail and snyder/currie/ect need fired asap. dont be obtuse in your statementsAm I stupid? We had no evidence until afterwards, dummy. Everyone wanted him to play and nobody really gave a crap what went down. I dislike Baylor, but everyone acting like it's a rape factory compared to other programs, are kidding themselves.You guys are right though. The K-State way, is always to take the high road. You wouldn't want this swept under the rug. Especially when it comes to your QB. You wouldn't care about winning, you'd want to shine light on it. Ellrobersonisinnocent, amirite, guys?are you stupid? how is this the same? two ex baylor players have been proven guilty in a court of law. ells ex side piece admitted to just being a jealous becky
Snyder/Currie/etc would only really need to be fired if they are actively trying to keep the rapists on the team out of jail.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2016, 03:27:48 PM
Well, I dated a girl who claims she was raped by a starting lineman during the prince years and nothing came of it, so I bet most schools try and hide this crap. I love football, but this is how big it's gotten. It's pathetic.
Did she tell the police?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 03:28:19 PM
Yes, dumbass.Well, I dated a girl who claims she was raped by a starting lineman during the prince years and nothing came of it, so I bet most schools try and hide this crap. I love football, but this is how big it's gotten. It's pathetic.
Did she tell the police?
Post by: TownieCat on May 25, 2016, 03:30:36 PM
:love:You guys are right though. The K-State way, is always to take the high road. You wouldn't want this swept under the rug. Especially when it comes to your QB. You wouldn't care about winning, you'd want to shine light on it. Ellrobersonisinnocent, amirite, guys?(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F66.media.tumblr.com%2Fe95bd2a317c632ad00fce24bbf9385ca%2Ftumblr_mloa08X1v91rq3i3ro1_1280.gif&hash=05a1871cb0bac9739bd07c62d83c4593666943b5)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2016, 03:31:35 PM
Yes, dumbass.Well, I dated a girl who claims she was raped by a starting lineman during the prince years and nothing came of it, so I bet most schools try and hide this crap. I love football, but this is how big it's gotten. It's pathetic.
Did she tell the police?
Well, that's too bad. K-State really should be investigating rape accusations. Hopefully they lose their lawsuit and things change.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 03:33:31 PM
Post by: kslim on May 25, 2016, 03:38:57 PM
I'm not trying to win a war here. This crap happens in every program. Everyone loves talking crap on Baylor and it's because they kick our asses every year and ppl hate them now. Especially when stuff like this comes out. Look at Florida State and Winston. He plays in the NFL now. Wow, what a rough ridin' world.do youw the difference between allegation and conviction? Also don't try to high horse when the majority of us were all over currie and shultz when the ksu rape stuff came out. Nobody with a brain would stand up for those guys (that arent from baylor)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2016, 03:42:40 PM
I'm not trying to win a war here. This crap happens in every program. Everyone loves talking crap on Baylor and it's because they kick our asses every year and ppl hate them now. Especially when stuff like this comes out. Look at Florida State and Winston. He plays in the NFL now. Wow, what a rough ridin' world.do youw the difference between allegation and conviction? Also don't try to high horse when the majority of us were all over currie and shultz when the ksu rape stuff came out. Nobody with a brain would stand up for those guys (that arent from baylor)
FSU did everything in its power to try to keep him from being charged. It was pretty pathetic. It's just as bad as Baylor, really.
Post by: kslim on May 25, 2016, 03:43:47 PM
and fsu should burn as well, that wasnt my pointI'm not trying to win a war here. This crap happens in every program. Everyone loves talking crap on Baylor and it's because they kick our asses every year and ppl hate them now. Especially when stuff like this comes out. Look at Florida State and Winston. He plays in the NFL now. Wow, what a rough ridin' world.do youw the difference between allegation and conviction? Also don't try to high horse when the majority of us were all over currie and shultz when the ksu rape stuff came out. Nobody with a brain would stand up for those guys (that arent from baylor)
FSU did everything in its power to try to keep him from being charged. It was pretty pathetic. It's just as bad as Baylor, really.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 25, 2016, 03:44:35 PM
I'm not trying to win a war here. This crap happens in every program. Everyone loves talking crap on Baylor and it's because they kick our asses every year and ppl hate them now. Especially when stuff like this comes out. Look at Florida State and Winston. He plays in the NFL now. Wow, what a rough ridin' world.
They don't kick our asses every year and I've always hated them.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 03:45:34 PM
If your point is that you think that I don't think rape is bad, then you're wrong.
Post by: kslim on May 25, 2016, 03:47:52 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 03:48:04 PM
Post by: pvegs on May 25, 2016, 04:50:32 PM
They're QB before Boykins was a drug addict, pvegs.
Right, Pachall. My bad, wacky, but that was pretty open to the public and all, given that he went to rehab.
Post by: pvegs on May 25, 2016, 04:55:27 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 05:20:12 PM
Post by: Katpappy on May 25, 2016, 05:20:28 PM
They're QB before Boykins was a drug addict, pvegs.They're http://goEMAW.com/forum/Smileys/goEMAW/Stickout%20Tongue.gif http://goEMAW.com/forum/Smileys/goEMAW/cheesy.gif
Post by: kim carnes on May 25, 2016, 09:10:09 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2016, 09:14:52 PM
I think some of you need to actually read the story, multiple players from baylor raped/sexually abused woman and it was reported. They waited until the players were no longer there to do anything about it and both we convicted. I mean hell peterson told briles how big of a piece of crap he was and not to take him yet he did anyway. Sorry but that crap cant be "oh this happens at every program its okay"Sounds like most programs, that didn't get caught. eff you Baylor! :shakesfist:
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 06:28:58 AM
again you are comparing apples to oranges its one thing to turn a blind eye to a envelope full of cash. Completely different to cover up rape. Keep playing the baylor apologist tho, it looks good on youI think some of you need to actually read the story, multiple players from baylor raped/sexually abused woman and it was reported. They waited until the players were no longer there to do anything about it and both we convicted. I mean hell peterson told briles how big of a piece of crap he was and not to take him yet he did anyway. Sorry but that crap cant be "oh this happens at every program its okay"Sounds like most programs, that didn't get caught. eff you Baylor! :shakesfist:
Post by: ednksu on May 26, 2016, 07:42:27 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on May 26, 2016, 08:18:42 AM
again you are comparing apples to oranges its one thing to turn a blind eye to a envelope full of cash. Completely different to cover up rape. Keep playing the baylor apologist tho, it looks good on youI think some of you need to actually read the story, multiple players from baylor raped/sexually abused woman and it was reported. They waited until the players were no longer there to do anything about it and both we convicted. I mean hell peterson told briles how big of a piece of crap he was and not to take him yet he did anyway. Sorry but that crap cant be "oh this happens at every program its okay"Sounds like most programs, that didn't get caught. eff you Baylor! :shakesfist:
Kslim and I are on the same page here. I guess opposition to rape covering-up brings
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 26, 2016, 08:19:49 AM
Anyone else surprised it was Starr before Art?
Why wouldn't it be Starr before Art? Why would you fire Art and then let the current administration that covered up rape replace him?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 08:27:26 AM
Steffy, don't be a dumb eff. You've been calling for Baylor's head before this scandal. I'm sorry some guy banged your wife from there.again you are comparing apples to oranges its one thing to turn a blind eye to a envelope full of cash. Completely different to cover up rape. Keep playing the baylor apologist tho, it looks good on youI think some of you need to actually read the story, multiple players from baylor raped/sexually abused woman and it was reported. They waited until the players were no longer there to do anything about it and both we convicted. I mean hell peterson told briles how big of a piece of crap he was and not to take him yet he did anyway. Sorry but that crap cant be "oh this happens at every program its okay"Sounds like most programs, that didn't get caught. eff you Baylor! :shakesfist:
Kslim and I are on the same page here. I guess opposition to rape covering-up bringseverybodyalmost everybody together.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 26, 2016, 08:34:26 AM
Steffy, don't be a dumb eff. You've been calling for Baylor's head before this scandal. I'm sorry some guy banged your wife from there.again you are comparing apples to oranges its one thing to turn a blind eye to a envelope full of cash. Completely different to cover up rape. Keep playing the baylor apologist tho, it looks good on youI think some of you need to actually read the story, multiple players from baylor raped/sexually abused woman and it was reported. They waited until the players were no longer there to do anything about it and both we convicted. I mean hell peterson told briles how big of a piece of crap he was and not to take him yet he did anyway. Sorry but that crap cant be "oh this happens at every program its okay"Sounds like most programs, that didn't get caught. eff you Baylor! :shakesfist:
Kslim and I are on the same page here. I guess opposition to rape covering-up bringseverybodyalmost everybody together.
LOL right....don't be mad that I grasped something about Briles and Baylor that your thick head still doesn't comprehend.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 08:35:21 AM
Guys the true pos in all of this is steffy for pretending like he cares for any reason other than him hating briles and baylorThis
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 08:38:17 AM
WUT?! You didn't grasp anything, dumb eff. You played the usual "It's Baylor, they've gotta be cheating to be good" card, without any logic/insight at all. It's like calling that someone will win the lottery eventually. You're just a sour vagina for all things baylor. Turns out their PR department is awful. Congrats!Steffy, don't be a dumb eff. You've been calling for Baylor's head before this scandal. I'm sorry some guy banged your wife from there.again you are comparing apples to oranges its one thing to turn a blind eye to a envelope full of cash. Completely different to cover up rape. Keep playing the baylor apologist tho, it looks good on youI think some of you need to actually read the story, multiple players from baylor raped/sexually abused woman and it was reported. They waited until the players were no longer there to do anything about it and both we convicted. I mean hell peterson told briles how big of a piece of crap he was and not to take him yet he did anyway. Sorry but that crap cant be "oh this happens at every program its okay"Sounds like most programs, that didn't get caught. eff you Baylor! :shakesfist:
Kslim and I are on the same page here. I guess opposition to rape covering-up bringseverybodyalmost everybody together.
LOL right....don't be mad that I grasped something about Briles and Baylor that your thick head still doesn't comprehend.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 26, 2016, 08:39:09 AM
Guys the true pos in all of this is steffy for pretending like he cares for any reason other than him hating briles and baylorThis
I will go on record (again) and say that there is plenty more dirt to come out on Briles and Baylor. Blatant recruiting violations, steroid abuse. That is what I suspected would bring them down all along. I never considered they possibility that they were harboring and protecting rapist.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 26, 2016, 08:40:07 AM
WUT?! You didn't grasp anything, dumb eff. You played the usual "It's Baylor, they've gotta be cheating to be good" card, without any logic/insight at all. It's like calling that someone will win the lottery eventually. You're just a sour vagina for all things baylor. Turns out their PR department is awful. Congrats!Steffy, don't be a dumb eff. You've been calling for Baylor's head before this scandal. I'm sorry some guy banged your wife from there.again you are comparing apples to oranges its one thing to turn a blind eye to a envelope full of cash. Completely different to cover up rape. Keep playing the baylor apologist tho, it looks good on youI think some of you need to actually read the story, multiple players from baylor raped/sexually abused woman and it was reported. They waited until the players were no longer there to do anything about it and both we convicted. I mean hell peterson told briles how big of a piece of crap he was and not to take him yet he did anyway. Sorry but that crap cant be "oh this happens at every program its okay"Sounds like most programs, that didn't get caught. eff you Baylor! :shakesfist:
Kslim and I are on the same page here. I guess opposition to rape covering-up bringseverybodyalmost everybody together.
LOL right....don't be mad that I grasped something about Briles and Baylor that your thick head still doesn't comprehend.
OK, rape apologist
Post by: Tobias on May 26, 2016, 08:41:47 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on May 26, 2016, 08:42:20 AM
WUT?! You didn't grasp anything, dumb eff. You played the usual "It's Baylor, they've gotta be cheating to be good" card, without any logic/insight at all. It's like calling that someone will win the lottery eventually. You're just a sour vagina for all things baylor. Turns out their PR department is awful. Congrats!Steffy, don't be a dumb eff. You've been calling for Baylor's head before this scandal. I'm sorry some guy banged your wife from there.again you are comparing apples to oranges its one thing to turn a blind eye to a envelope full of cash. Completely different to cover up rape. Keep playing the baylor apologist tho, it looks good on youI think some of you need to actually read the story, multiple players from baylor raped/sexually abused woman and it was reported. They waited until the players were no longer there to do anything about it and both we convicted. I mean hell peterson told briles how big of a piece of crap he was and not to take him yet he did anyway. Sorry but that crap cant be "oh this happens at every program its okay"Sounds like most programs, that didn't get caught. eff you Baylor! :shakesfist:
Kslim and I are on the same page here. I guess opposition to rape covering-up bringseverybodyalmost everybody together.
LOL right....don't be mad that I grasped something about Briles and Baylor that your thick head still doesn't comprehend.
OK, rape apologist
By the way, that is a pretty good starting point as to the logic in figuring this thing out. You still don't get it.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 08:44:00 AM
good god, it's like reading rough ridin' shaggy c-listers with steffy posting hereThank you! HE CALLED HIS SHOT THO! NOT BUTTHURT ABOUT BAYLOR AT ALL.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 08:46:24 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 08:50:50 AM
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 08:53:35 AM
Kslim should feel shame for steffy being on the same page as him. Take it to the shame thread, dork.truthfully i did, but lets not act like your initial statement wasnt rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). i should have stopped after my initial post but you didn't get it.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 08:57:34 AM
Well ya, I hate when ppl call me a "rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)". So i'll over due my drivel until some ppl get it. Yes, Baylor is a POS, are we all happy now?Kslim should feel shame for steffy being on the same page as him. Take it to the shame thread, dork.truthfully i did, but lets not act like your initial statement wasnt rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). i should have stopped after my initial post but you didn't get it.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 26, 2016, 09:01:12 AM
good god, it's like reading rough ridin' shaggy c-listers with steffy posting hereThank you! HE CALLED HIS SHOT THO! NOT BUTTHURT ABOUT BAYLOR AT ALL.
Wacky, the reason I don't like Briles is because I knew this stuff was almost certainly occurring. If you go back on this thread, I listed my logic and reasoning. (People made fun of me.) It isn't because I thought Briles ears were ugly. And I went on record as saying they were dirty. And they were. And then you want to make this about "well steffy just doesn't like Baylor." That part is true...but the reason I don't is because I knew they were dirty as hell (I didn't anticipate this dirty, though).
I think you are just really pissed that I was right as hell, and my logic was spot-on.
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 09:01:16 AM
never wasnt happy bud, internet isnt that serious. just glad that you can see that doing coke and raping someone are two different things both legally and morally. thats where this all started.Well ya, I hate when ppl call me a "rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)". So i'll over due my drivel until some ppl get it. Yes, Baylor is a POS, are we all happy now?Kslim should feel shame for steffy being on the same page as him. Take it to the shame thread, dork.truthfully i did, but lets not act like your initial statement wasnt rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). i should have stopped after my initial post but you didn't get it.
eff steffy go cats
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 09:05:18 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 09:06:58 AM
You knew girls were being raped all along and never reported it? Kinda mumped up, steffy. Is that how Baylor gets their super juice to be good at football?good god, it's like reading rough ridin' shaggy c-listers with steffy posting hereThank you! HE CALLED HIS SHOT THO! NOT BUTTHURT ABOUT BAYLOR AT ALL.
Wacky, the reason I don't like Briles is because I knew this stuff was almost certainly occurring. If you go back on this thread, I listed my logic and reasoning. (People made fun of me.) It isn't because I thought Briles ears were ugly. And I went on record as saying they were dirty. And they were. And then you want to make this about "well steffy just doesn't like Baylor." That part is true...but the reason I don't is because I knew they were dirty as hell (I didn't anticipate this dirty, though).
I think you are just really pissed that I was right as hell, and my logic was spot-on.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 09:07:42 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on May 26, 2016, 09:10:42 AM
You knew girls were being raped all along and never reported it? Kinda mumped up, steffy. Is that how Baylor gets their super juice to be good at football?good god, it's like reading rough ridin' shaggy c-listers with steffy posting hereThank you! HE CALLED HIS SHOT THO! NOT BUTTHURT ABOUT BAYLOR AT ALL.
Wacky, the reason I don't like Briles is because I knew this stuff was almost certainly occurring. If you go back on this thread, I listed my logic and reasoning. (People made fun of me.) It isn't because I thought Briles ears were ugly. And I went on record as saying they were dirty. And they were. And then you want to make this about "well steffy just doesn't like Baylor." That part is true...but the reason I don't is because I knew they were dirty as hell (I didn't anticipate this dirty, though).
I think you are just really pissed that I was right as hell, and my logic was spot-on.
I knew they were dirty. And they exceeded my expectations.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 09:13:20 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on May 26, 2016, 09:48:17 AM
Wait, so you're telling me 5* bball players don't just want to randomly play at Baylor? You're telling me that one of the worst football programs in the state, that turned a corner, with minimal resources, didn't do it legitimately? What a rough ridin' concept steffy! That rape juice is no joke!
I know, it really wasn't that hard to figure out, was it? Which raises the question: Why did everybody call me an idiot and attack me when I said Briles was not adorable but, in fact, a slimeball and that we didn't want him as KSU coach?
You can't make the claim--now--that everybody knew that something like this was going to happen. Because when somebody predicted it (me) years ago, I got grilled on this board.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 09:51:15 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on May 26, 2016, 10:03:35 AM
People wanted Briles because he won. Nobody thought he was squeaky clean but nobody thought he was covering up sexual assaults and adding players to the team that put girls on campus at risk.
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 10:04:54 AM
Post by: meow meow on May 26, 2016, 10:11:58 AM
Spoiler alert: K-State isn't clean either. Ppl made fun of you, because you're a terrible poster. No program is clean, some are just better at manipulating the system than others. Briles is great, just shitty at tying up lose ends on the rape game. That one will sneak up on ya at times.
:sdeek:
Post by: AppleJack on May 26, 2016, 10:45:08 AM
Post by: KCFDcat on May 26, 2016, 10:48:36 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 10:49:57 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on May 26, 2016, 10:50:57 AM
If Briles manages to coach another five years (which will only be possible by avoiding scandal) I will admit that I was wrong. (It ain't going to happen, though. I will predict two years, max.)
The crap hit the fan even sooner than I expected.
Post by: KCFDcat on May 26, 2016, 10:52:19 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 10:55:31 AM
I'd imagine a lot of players will look to transfer.Houston will be a prime spot
Also, sad that Steffy can read the future, but wouldn't do good with it. He allowed those girls to get raped, just to win a few games vs Baylor again. :frown:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 26, 2016, 11:00:22 AM
Post by: ednksu on May 26, 2016, 11:04:27 AM
Post by: Tobias on May 26, 2016, 11:06:34 AM
Post by: ednksu on May 26, 2016, 11:07:53 AM
Some guy named Phil Bennett to take over and Kendall is staying, for now.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 26, 2016, 11:08:16 AM
I'd imagine a lot of players will look to transfer.
Yes. TCU should benefit directly from this. Baylor has a couple LB commits that I'd like TCU to make a run at.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 11:09:03 AM
Good thing those girls got raped. :thumbs:I'd imagine a lot of players will look to transfer.
Yes. TCU should benefit directly from this. Baylor has a couple LB commits that I'd like TCU to make a run at.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 26, 2016, 11:09:50 AM
Briles is a dirty eff.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 26, 2016, 11:10:58 AM
Good thing those girls got raped. :thumbs:
You have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette. :thumbsup:
Post by: ChiComCat on May 26, 2016, 11:12:32 AM
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 11:12:43 AM
:whistle1: just gonna leave this here
two rapes one cup was too much too handle i guess, (cue all the other universities to do the same)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 26, 2016, 11:13:40 AM
Good thing those girls got raped. :thumbs:I'd imagine a lot of players will look to transfer.
Yes. TCU should benefit directly from this. Baylor has a couple LB commits that I'd like TCU to make a run at.
Yeah, now they can get raped at TCU instead.
Post by: KCFDcat on May 26, 2016, 11:15:20 AM
And Briles is outChicat has all the scoops!
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 26, 2016, 11:16:55 AM
Yeah, now they can get raped at TCU instead.
:excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited:
Post by: star seed 7 on May 26, 2016, 11:17:34 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on May 26, 2016, 11:18:00 AM
And Briles is outChicat has all the scoops!
I'd spaced out for awhile as Wacky was getting worked up.
Post by: KCFDcat on May 26, 2016, 11:18:27 AM
ValidAnd Briles is outChicat has all the scoops!
I'd spaced out for awhile as Wacky was getting worked up.
Post by: michigancat on May 26, 2016, 11:18:46 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on May 26, 2016, 11:19:59 AM
moving forward, who would I take? Briles. But that doesn't diminish what Bill has done. Bill's accomplishments (to this point) are remarkably better than Briles.
This is the right answer. We should usher Bill into retirement and name a stadium after him or something, and hire Briles.
Let's revisit this in 10 years. Then, it will be: LHC Bill Snyder, Hall of Famer, five-time conference coach of the year, three-time national coach of the year, four-time conference champion; national championship in 2014 (first year of playoffs) and playoff semifinalists in 2015.
Briles: Best BU coach since Graft Taft; got BU share of conference in 2013. Then, team underperformed in 2014, finishing 6-3 (and tied for second to champ KSU), and then lack of player discipline and recruiting scandals led to his eventual departure. Produced the best run of BU football since the 1970's, but no Hall of Famer.
not entirely accurate but :surprised:
Post by: 'taterblast on May 26, 2016, 11:22:11 AM
I find it hilarious that people are answering Dax' 3-1 talking point with Snyder's number of Big 12 championships and COY awards, as if Briles has been coaching against Snyder for 20 years.
Every single person in this thread, steffy being the exception, would trade Snyder in for Art right now. Snyder has had a great career, Briles is now a better coach. How in the hell could anyone reasonably debate this?
No, I said we need to revisit in 10 years; at that time it will be clear who better coach was and currently is. Why don't you take briles and snyders conference record during Snyder 2.0? Seems like fair comparison. Snyder will have more wins.......even after this year. Snyder is 22-15 and briles is 17-19. Briles had the hèisman trophy winner and still finished behind Snyder in 2011. This isn't even close. You dramatically under appreciate Snyder and overvalue briles, but hey that knee jerk reaction is sooo this board. Briles is a good coach but I think there are going to be problems long term. His teams do not show a great amount of discipline and his approach depends on having better athletes. Briles has really scored with some receivers and seastrunk, but I doubt he will always have the best athletes in the big 12. Ut and ou are down right now, but when they get back to usual and dont think briles can have much success with his style. He won't change his style, and that style sucks unless you have superstars at the skill positions. Plus, I think there will be some discipline and recruiting issues long-term. The way they handled the Dixon assault is telling.....completely swept under the rug.
i'm jealous of how good Steffy must be feeling right now
Post by: manpow5 on May 26, 2016, 11:23:20 AM
I find it hilarious that people are answering Dax' 3-1 talking point with Snyder's number of Big 12 championships and COY awards, as if Briles has been coaching against Snyder for 20 years.
Every single person in this thread, steffy being the exception, would trade Snyder in for Art right now. Snyder has had a great career, Briles is now a better coach. How in the hell could anyone reasonably debate this?
No, I said we need to revisit in 10 years; at that time it will be clear who better coach was and currently is. Why don't you take briles and snyders conference record during Snyder 2.0? Seems like fair comparison. Snyder will have more wins.......even after this year. Snyder is 22-15 and briles is 17-19. Briles had the hèisman trophy winner and still finished behind Snyder in 2011. This isn't even close. You dramatically under appreciate Snyder and overvalue briles, but hey that knee jerk reaction is sooo this board. Briles is a good coach but I think there are going to be problems long term. His teams do not show a great amount of discipline and his approach depends on having better athletes. Briles has really scored with some receivers and seastrunk, but I doubt he will always have the best athletes in the big 12. Ut and ou are down right now, but when they get back to usual and dont think briles can have much success with his style. He won't change his style, and that style sucks unless you have superstars at the skill positions. Plus, I think there will be some discipline and recruiting issues long-term. The way they handled the Dixon assault is telling.....completely swept under the rug.
i'm jealous of how good Steffy must be feeling right now
Steffy, what are this weekends powerball numbers?
Post by: AppleJack on May 26, 2016, 11:25:46 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2016, 11:27:02 AM
Bring up that most programs cover up stuff like this = Rape apologist. Insert IRL story about K-State covering up a story about this with a girl I know for cash considerations = Briles is a cheating mother rough rider! #SteffyStuff
Link?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 11:28:20 AM
You're adorable.Bring up that most programs cover up stuff like this = Rape apologist. Insert IRL story about K-State covering up a story about this with a girl I know for cash considerations = Briles is a cheating mother rough rider! #SteffyStuff
Link?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on May 26, 2016, 11:30:22 AM
wonder what Chip and JoJo think :confused:
I bet they're so disappointed. Their name is on that brick walkway thing.
Post by: pissclams on May 26, 2016, 11:32:28 AM
And kudos to bible aggie for doing the right thing.
Briles is a dirty eff.
agreed, i'm genuinely surprised they pulled the trigger
they didn't fix the problem with college athletics but at least they cleaned up their own backyard
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 11:33:18 AM
not goemawing at all, you have brought up the fact that not only do you know girls who were assaulted youve also heard the stories. HOW IN THE eff HAVE YOU NOT TOLD PEOPLE (that could help) ABOUT THIS?You're adorable.Bring up that most programs cover up stuff like this = Rape apologist. Insert IRL story about K-State covering up a story about this with a girl I know for cash considerations = Briles is a cheating mother rough rider! #SteffyStuff
Link?
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 11:33:56 AM
Post by: pissclams on May 26, 2016, 11:35:23 AM
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 11:36:07 AM
would you two taking your pissing match somewhere else?no?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 11:40:09 AM
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 11:42:48 AM
I've brought it up before, but ppl lol it off like: "fanning doesn't know crap", "prove it" etc. being fanning isn't what it's all cracked up to be. Even tho all my stories have validity. Some days I wish my screen name said Steve Davelet me make this as blunt as i can, if your screen name was fatty fat fat i would still question that position. i may be in the minority here but if someone tells you they were raped/assaulted morally i think you have to tell someone of authority
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 11:43:05 AM
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 11:43:47 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 26, 2016, 11:44:36 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 11:45:10 AM
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 11:45:47 AM
Also, how the eff could I help something that I find out years after the matter?ever heard of serial rapist? i mean come on bud, we are both looking like real assholes right now but just stop
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 26, 2016, 11:45:58 AM
You meet ppl after college, Kslim. If I knew someone in college, that got raped, I would obviously tell.
I don't know about that. You seem pretty Art Briles-ish.
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 11:47:02 AM
You meet ppl after college, Kslim. If I knew someone in college, that got raped, I would obviously tell.thats good to know. im out, no mic drop
Post by: catastrophe on May 26, 2016, 11:50:26 AM
Post by: chum1 on May 26, 2016, 11:50:32 AM
i'm genuinely surprised they pulled the trigger
It makes me wonder if they know that some really dirty dirt on Briles could be made public at some point.
Post by: pissclams on May 26, 2016, 11:51:02 AM
would you two taking your pissing match somewhere else?no?
just trying to help
wacky's new hobby of arguing the counterpoint to everything on the internet isn't as fun for everyone else as apparently it is for him
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 26, 2016, 11:51:39 AM
There has to be some really salacious stuff in there.
Post by: kim carnes on May 26, 2016, 11:52:02 AM
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 11:52:32 AM
I really want to read that report now.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjZY7b5WsAAFhxE.jpg)
There has to be some really salacious stuff in there.
Post by: Trim on May 26, 2016, 11:55:07 AM
Need Briles to stay on at Baylor but for them to have crippling sanctions and for Snyder to go another 4 years so he can try to even the record at 5-5.
:frown:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2016, 11:56:20 AM
You're adorable.Bring up that most programs cover up stuff like this = Rape apologist. Insert IRL story about K-State covering up a story about this with a girl I know for cash considerations = Briles is a cheating mother rough rider! #SteffyStuff
Link?
I didn't mean to call out your friend's fake story but it was appropriate
Post by: CNS on May 26, 2016, 12:25:02 PM
Post by: wetwillie on May 26, 2016, 12:38:58 PM
Post by: CNS on May 26, 2016, 12:39:29 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 12:47:06 PM
I love ppl who think all rape stories are fake. Very weird and random.You're adorable.Bring up that most programs cover up stuff like this = Rape apologist. Insert IRL story about K-State covering up a story about this with a girl I know for cash considerations = Briles is a cheating mother rough rider! #SteffyStuff
Link?
I didn't mean to call out your friend's fake story but it was appropriate
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 12:48:11 PM
Just trying to help ppl be less naive, day-by-day.would you two taking your pissing match somewhere else?no?
just trying to help
wacky's new hobby of arguing the counterpoint to everything on the internet isn't as fun for everyone else as apparently it is for him
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 12:57:05 PM
i dont even...Just trying to help ppl be less naive, day-by-day.would you two taking your pissing match somewhere else?no?
just trying to help
wacky's new hobby of arguing the counterpoint to everything on the internet isn't as fun for everyone else as apparently it is for him
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 01:00:23 PM
Post by: pissclams on May 26, 2016, 01:04:49 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 01:05:42 PM
could be time for a lap, zappycatI'm bored and I only have 3 weeks left of freedom!
Post by: KCFDcat on May 26, 2016, 01:07:56 PM
Clams does have a point tho. Nobody wanted to say Bautista took that punch like a champ, but I did. Everyone thinks the crying Jordan meme is funny, I think it's rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Everyone is outraged at Baylor over these rapes and i'm the only one who said they were just the dumb ones to get caught. Because all programs have stories like these. What a world!!!
Bro, I irl like you as a person, but you're a little off on this one. Just because Baylor was the one to get caught, doesn't mean we can't be outraged. In fact, if these things really do go on at most schools (I think they do as well) then it's cause for even more outrage. I hope this is a wake up call to a lot of programs that things like this can't keep happening. At the very least I hope it's a wake up call to the NCAA to monitor schools.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 01:08:39 PM
I agree with all of this.Clams does have a point tho. Nobody wanted to say Bautista took that punch like a champ, but I did. Everyone thinks the crying Jordan meme is funny, I think it's rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Everyone is outraged at Baylor over these rapes and i'm the only one who said they were just the dumb ones to get caught. Because all programs have stories like these. What a world!!!
Bro, I irl like you as a person, but you're a little off on this one. Just because Baylor was the one to get caught, doesn't mean we can't be outraged. In fact, if these things really do go on at most schools (I think they do as well) then it's cause for even more outrage. I hope this is a wake up call to a lot of programs that things like this can't keep happening. At the very least I hope it's a wake up call to the NCAA to monitor schools.
Post by: KCFDcat on May 26, 2016, 01:10:52 PM
I agree with all of this.Clams does have a point tho. Nobody wanted to say Bautista took that punch like a champ, but I did. Everyone thinks the crying Jordan meme is funny, I think it's rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Everyone is outraged at Baylor over these rapes and i'm the only one who said they were just the dumb ones to get caught. Because all programs have stories like these. What a world!!!
Bro, I irl like you as a person, but you're a little off on this one. Just because Baylor was the one to get caught, doesn't mean we can't be outraged. In fact, if these things really do go on at most schools (I think they do as well) then it's cause for even more outrage. I hope this is a wake up call to a lot of programs that things like this can't keep happening. At the very least I hope it's a wake up call to the NCAA to monitor schools.
your last few posts don't really reflect that, but ok.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 01:16:30 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 26, 2016, 01:19:37 PM
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Ken Starr transitions to role of Chancellor and remains professor at Baylor University Law School
What a joke.
Post by: meow meow on May 26, 2016, 01:20:20 PM
Post by: CNS on May 26, 2016, 01:21:11 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 01:22:08 PM
everyone get off your high horses, wacky heard a story from a girl once, sheesh(https://media.giphy.com/media/Fjr6v88OPk7U4/giphy.gif)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 26, 2016, 01:24:19 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 01:26:53 PM
everyone get off your high horses, wacky heard a story from a girl once, sheeshAlso, it was just made public about K-State ignoring rape stories at frats, but you're probably right, this chick cried and made up this story for no reason.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2016, 01:30:27 PM
I love ppl who think all rape stories are fake. Very weird and random.You're adorable.Bring up that most programs cover up stuff like this = Rape apologist. Insert IRL story about K-State covering up a story about this with a girl I know for cash considerations = Briles is a cheating mother rough rider! #SteffyStuff
Link?
I didn't mean to call out your friend's fake story but it was appropriate
I think fake stories are fake.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 01:32:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 26, 2016, 01:32:54 PM
everyone get off your high horses, wacky heard a story from a girl once, sheesh(https://media.giphy.com/media/Fjr6v88OPk7U4/giphy.gif)
I'm all over the map on Krysten Ritter, one day I think she's the bees knees, the next :sdeek:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 01:37:35 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2016, 01:43:32 PM
I love you, 'stone. But what you think is fake, you already rationalize as fact in your mind. Maybe it's part of who you are with your profession and all. Idk. If it didn't happen to you, it's not true. You do it all the time.
Apparently KSU didn't pay her enough hush money that she had to share the story and coverup with you.
Post by: meow meow on May 26, 2016, 01:45:56 PM
I love you, 'stone. But what you think is fake, you already rationalize as fact in your mind. Maybe it's part of who you are with your profession and all. Idk. If it didn't happen to you, it's not true. You do it all the time.
Apparently KSU didn't pay her enough hush money that she had to share the story and coverup with you.
hey, if you had a really personal story that you didn't want a bunch of random people on the internet to know, you would tell wacky also, so I think you're being a bit unfair
Post by: KITNfury on May 26, 2016, 01:46:10 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 01:47:44 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2016, 01:48:51 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 01:50:20 PM
Maybe you think these girls just got too drunk and woke up in bed with them and then they tell ppl they got raped?
Post by: Gooch on May 26, 2016, 01:52:04 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 01:52:23 PM
How much hush money?I never asked.
Post by: meow meow on May 26, 2016, 01:55:23 PM
How much hush money?I never asked.
yeah story sounds more made up by the minute
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2016, 01:57:13 PM
Do you think 50% of rape cases, are made up 'stone? I know this might be a touchy subject and all, since frats are so closely affiliated with it.
Maybe you think these girls just got too drunk and woke up in bed with them and then they tell ppl they got raped?
I have no idea what %. The second hand story of being raped, filing charges with the RCPD and being paid off by KSU then telling you is something I find not credible.
trying to paint me as some type of rape denier is such a weak ass ad hominem attempt at defending the second hand story I will just assume you are kidding.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 01:57:25 PM
What kind of monster asks a $ amount, when they're opening up to you about something traumatizing, and crying on your shoulder? Apparently 'stone and M^2.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 01:59:46 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2016, 02:09:59 PM
I guess I just want to believe in ppl and usually put a lot of trust into them. Could be a flaw.
It's cool wack, being trusting is usually a good thing. Be lucky you moved on from someone who was misleading you.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 02:13:28 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 26, 2016, 02:16:41 PM
Post by: pvegs on May 26, 2016, 02:18:11 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 26, 2016, 02:19:31 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 02:20:58 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 26, 2016, 02:25:00 PM
The real question is how will this all affect the McLane Stade brick tarp??
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 26, 2016, 02:25:47 PM
What I don't get is why everyone was so mean to Steffy. He had a lot of reasonable posts that proved 100% right in the end.
I love underdogs. Pro-steffy here.
Post by: meow meow on May 26, 2016, 02:26:34 PM
Post by: CatsNShocks on May 26, 2016, 02:27:43 PM
What I don't get is why this thread should be super interesting right now but is actually really bad
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 02:28:50 PM
What I don't get is why this thread should be super interesting right now but is actually really bad
Post by: NeverII on May 26, 2016, 02:33:01 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2016, 02:34:57 PM
Post by: wetwillie on May 26, 2016, 02:39:28 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 02:39:58 PM
Post by: pvegs on May 26, 2016, 02:41:02 PM
Post by: Pete on May 26, 2016, 02:42:57 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 26, 2016, 02:46:15 PM
How can they let anyone on that staff survive if Briles is out?
bcuz bible aggie
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 26, 2016, 02:49:17 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.graytvinc.com%2Fimages%2FCosby%2BBU.png&hash=d08d6eb92ad61945f39df5583c5ca32ecf8f906f)
Post by: Pete on May 26, 2016, 02:49:58 PM
How can they let anyone on that staff survive if Briles is out?
bcuz bible aggie
U guyz haz bibles 2 brah.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 26, 2016, 02:55:09 PM
How can they let anyone on that staff survive if Briles is out?
bcuz bible aggie
U guyz haz bibles 2 brah.
Only in the chapel (which is where they belong). Bible aggie uses them to teach classes.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 26, 2016, 03:05:54 PM
I find it hilarious that people are answering Dax' 3-1 talking point with Snyder's number of Big 12 championships and COY awards, as if Briles has been coaching against Snyder for 20 years.
Every single person in this thread, steffy being the exception, would trade Snyder in for Art right now. Snyder has had a great career, Briles is now a better coach. How in the hell could anyone reasonably debate this?
No, I said we need to revisit in 10 years; at that time it will be clear who better coach was and currently is. Why don't you take briles and snyders conference record during Snyder 2.0? Seems like fair comparison. Snyder will have more wins.......even after this year. Snyder is 22-15 and briles is 17-19. Briles had the hèisman trophy winner and still finished behind Snyder in 2011. This isn't even close. You dramatically under appreciate Snyder and overvalue briles, but hey that knee jerk reaction is sooo this board. Briles is a good coach but I think there are going to be problems long term. His teams do not show a great amount of discipline and his approach depends on having better athletes. Briles has really scored with some receivers and seastrunk, but I doubt he will always have the best athletes in the big 12. Ut and ou are down right now, but when they get back to usual and dont think briles can have much success with his style. He won't change his style, and that style sucks unless you have superstars at the skill positions. Plus, I think there will be some discipline and recruiting issues long-term. The way they handled the Dixon assault is telling.....completely swept under the rug.
i'm jealous of how good Steffy must be feeling right now
Feels good, tater
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 03:06:50 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on May 26, 2016, 03:07:52 PM
Big day for Steffy :cheers:
:cheers:
Post by: MakeItRain on May 26, 2016, 03:10:39 PM
What I don't get is why everyone was so mean to Steffy. He had a lot of reasonable posts that proved 100% right in the end.
I guess we can give him some credit for being a fortune teller. However, no one was claiming that Baylor and Briles were pillars of virtue. Steffy ranted against anyone who stopped short of condemning Briles to prison. He spent two years arguing a false premise. His tone sucked.
Steffy in this thread is the hope diamond wrapped in a smelly, dirty Wal-Mart plastic bag.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2016, 03:17:55 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 26, 2016, 03:18:56 PM
So they apparently cared about rape as long as it wasn't one of their football players being the rapist.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 26, 2016, 03:24:06 PM
Bible aggie rescinded the honorary PhD that they gave Cosby when his rape allegations surfaced.
So they apparently cared about rape as long as it wasn't one of their football players being the rapist.
Have you been banned from all of the TCU and Baylor boards or something?
Post by: kslim on May 26, 2016, 03:26:27 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 26, 2016, 03:27:13 PM
Have you been banned from all of the TCU and Baylor boards or something?
TCU boards are boring. bible aggie boards are gross.
You guys are fun though. Plus, I have a spiritual connection to KSU. I banged my high school sweetheart in the dorms up there (and in a hotel room and got head at one of her sorority functions that I came up for).
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 26, 2016, 03:28:12 PM
something i still havent figured out is how waco PD is still just rainbows and sunshine in all of this, the cover up on their part is just as bad
Waco PD has a long history of being a crap show.
Just look at the whole bikers at twin peaks fiasco.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2016, 03:46:07 PM
Have you been banned from all of the TCU and Baylor boards or something?
TCU boards are boring. bible aggie boards are gross.
You guys are fun though. Plus, I have a spiritual connection to KSU. I banged my high school sweetheart in the dorms up there (and in a hotel room and got head at one of her sorority functions that I came up for).
We just got wacky bragged by church aggie
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 03:46:58 PM
Post by: DOD Take 2 on May 26, 2016, 03:50:46 PM
I bet Bennett does well this year and they just pick him.
Word is he is not necessarily going to get the interim job. His name surfaced with reports of Ukwuachu, so he's not exactly completely clean. Hard to see how they pick anyone from this staff after looking at the Pepper Hamilton report, but they almost have to.
Post by: bucket on May 26, 2016, 03:51:41 PM
Ya know, whenever goEMAW gets under my girdle, I just think, look at my avatar, bruhs
How long have you been waiting to say that? :rolleyes:
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 26, 2016, 03:53:53 PM
--Branch Davidians
--Carlton Dotson/Dave Bliss
--Fertilizer plant explosion two days after the Boston bombing, turns out it was intentionally set (I know this was actually the town of West, but gmafb it's the same place)
--Chip and Joanna are from there
--They made Ken Starr their university president lololol
--Toilet shaped stadium
--brick wall tarps
--This
Post by: DOD Take 2 on May 26, 2016, 03:56:19 PM
How can so much weird stuff happen in such a relatively small community?
--Branch Davidians
--Carlos Dotson/Dave Bliss
--Fertilizer plant explosion two days after the Boston bombing, turns out it was intentionally set (I know this was actually the town of West, but gmafb it's the same place)
--Chip and Joanna are from there
--They made Ken Starr their university president lololol
--Toilet shaped stadium
--brick wall tarps
--This
Don't forget Scott Drew trying to get a JC recruit deported
Post by: CNS on May 26, 2016, 04:02:15 PM
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Post by: Pete on May 26, 2016, 04:02:35 PM
How can so much weird stuff happen in such a relatively small community?
--Branch Davidians
--Carlos Dotson/Dave Bliss
--Fertilizer plant explosion two days after the Boston bombing, turns out it was intentionally set (I know this was actually the town of West, but gmafb it's the same place)
--Chip and Joanna are from there
--They made Ken Starr their university president lololol
--Toilet shaped stadium
--brick wall tarps
--This
Don't forget Scott Drew trying to get a JC recruit deported
The big biker gang bust thing
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 26, 2016, 04:13:35 PM
Post by: Trim on May 26, 2016, 04:13:48 PM
What I don't get is why everyone was so mean to Steffy. He had a lot of reasonable posts that proved 100% right in the end.
I will go on record (again) and say that there is plenty more dirt to come out on Briles and Baylor. Blatant recruiting violations, steroid abuse. That is what I suspected would bring them down all along. I never considered they possibility that they were harboring and protecting rapist.
He was mad that Baylor was cheating at football stuff. Turns out a rape cover-up scandal is ending the program as they knew it. Steffy's still hung up on yet-to-be exposed recruiting/drug issues.
And Briles is going out 5-1 against Snyder. Maybe should get credit for 6-1 if whatever's left of his players beat OBz again this year.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 26, 2016, 04:15:10 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 04:18:39 PM
There's gotta be some usually terrible Baylor message board that's poppin' off right now with something interesting.
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Art Briles is the salt of the Earth
Baylor is relenting to the media, and can get ****ed for all I care
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 04:20:11 PM
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What a horrific day for Baylor football. I recognize that the victims of this situation should be supported with all available resources and I surely hope that they can recover emotionally and physically from whatever truly happened...but if I step aside from that for a moment...this will go down as the worst day in the history of Baylor Football.
Art was amazing at his profession and he will be again for some other program in the future. He was so very unique in what he did: talent evaluation, building a culture of winning, the genius behind his marketing (uniforms), selecting coaches (other than Bennett and Norwood) and just being a CEO of Baylor football.
I am sick to my stomach at how Baylor has caved in this situation to both the media and liberals. Our achilles heel has always been our PR dept and it has come back to bite us once again. No defense of the situation while liberals and the media trashed the University from one end to the other. No defense of the employees.
I am praying that with the financial resources that we have that we will go out and make a splash hire....but I am seriously doubting that will happen. If they give the job to Bennett then we are done.
WAC
Post by: PIPE on May 26, 2016, 04:21:21 PM
I want his job :cheers:
Don't ask me how I know this :blush:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 04:22:08 PM
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I am so done with Baylor.
Good luck guys.
And fuk most of you.
God might love you, I doubt it though.
Go Fuk yourselves and Fuk Baylor.
This ol boy is done
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 04:22:38 PM
All I want to know is what does WackyCat do for a living? Cause he has like a thousand posts today.......All I know is, it's good to be ahead right now. :cheers:
I want his job :cheers:
Don't ask me how I know this :blush:
Post by: HerrSonntag on May 26, 2016, 04:24:20 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 04:25:38 PM
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Not that all TCU fans are trolls, but this is for the trolls who may come here to throw stones and fail to know their own history..
TCU has had plenty of problems on it own. There have been several dozen rapes at TCU the last few years and many involve football players, including a gang rape, not to mention the drug ring that the FBI investigated several years ago. So while Baylor cleans up its mess and fires its coach, Patterson keeps bringing in players who assault others. What is the saying, something about glass houses and stones?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 04:27:29 PM
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These firings are bs. The board of regents...
...wouldn't defend their own mothers.
Some are glad to be rid of Starr.
I'm certain Briles was given the opportunity to resign, but wouldn't BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WORTHY OF LEAVING.
You Must Be Registered and Logged On To View "URL" BBCode Contents...
I've tried & tried & tried to support this school through thick & thin.
THE BOARD OF REGENTS--MUCH LIKE A CLINTON/BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA SUPREME COURT--WILL EVENTUALLY AND MOST CERTAINLY DESTROY THIS SCHOOL.
I'm done.
Final post.
Post by: manpow5 on May 26, 2016, 04:29:03 PM
Post by: KCFDcat on May 26, 2016, 04:39:33 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2016, 04:42:32 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 04:43:04 PM
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If any Baylor girl (which the assumption is that she is moderately intelligent) decides to go home with a tattooed dumbass who barely speaks english then she should be shipped back to Dallas or Houston.
What the hell do you think is going to happen?
Who raised the kids? Yes sir, I will take off my clothes after spending 3 hours with you at a stinky beer joint, but please dont excited by my young co-ed body?
Makes plenty of sense of to me.
Just more fodder for Buddy and Dary to take back control of the school and ensure that we suck.
Thee will get to relive his glory days.....even though what happened in the early 80's make 2015-16 look like grammar school.
In case anyone forgot....the moral majority can go fuk themselves again and again and again.
Baylor should drop all sports other than equestrian, tennis and golf. bunch of pu$$ies.
At least I can root for UCLA and Houston now. For that matter I might even root for the purple lesbians up north.
Just in case you forgot....go fuk yourselves.
Post by: TownieCat on May 26, 2016, 04:47:20 PM
Post by: RickRampus on May 26, 2016, 04:47:29 PM
Post by: KCFDcat on May 26, 2016, 04:48:49 PM
so they have their own renocat too, interesting
I think they're like 90% renocats
Post by: star seed 7 on May 26, 2016, 04:53:34 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 04:53:49 PM
Post by: catastrophe on May 26, 2016, 05:51:06 PM
Post by: RockState2000 on May 26, 2016, 06:10:04 PM
Have you been banned from all of the TCU and Baylor boards or something?
TCU boards are boring. bible aggie boards are gross.
You guys are fun though. Plus, I have a spiritual connection to KSU. I banged my high school sweetheart in the dorms up there (and in a hotel room and got head at one of her sorority functions that I came up for).
I like this guy. RS2K approved.
Post by: pissclams on May 26, 2016, 06:51:44 PM
#Family
^message to k-state kats ?
Post by: Missouriscribe on May 26, 2016, 06:56:35 PM
Post by: Trim on May 26, 2016, 07:36:05 PM
https://twitter.com/FakeWillie/status/735932574061600768
Post by: pvegs on May 26, 2016, 07:39:20 PM
QuoteIf any Baylor girl (which the assumption is that she is moderately intelligent) decides to go home with a tattooed dumbass who barely speaks english then she should be shipped back to Dallas or Houston.
What the hell do you think is going to happen?
Who raised the kids? Yes sir, I will take off my clothes after spending 3 hours with you at a stinky beer joint, but please dont excited by my young co-ed body?
Makes plenty of sense of to me.
Just more fodder for Buddy and Dary to take back control of the school and ensure that we suck.
Thee will get to relive his glory days.....even though what happened in the early 80's make 2015-16 look like grammar school.
In case anyone forgot....the moral majority can go fuk themselves again and again and again.
Baylor should drop all sports other than equestrian, tennis and golf. bunch of pu$$ies.
At least I can root for UCLA and Houston now. For that matter I might even root for the purple lesbians up north.
Just in case you forgot....go fuk yourselves.
wow, purple lesbians? has to be tcu, but i'd like it if ku fans would call us that :) haha. what a bad person.
Post by: eastcat on May 26, 2016, 07:43:57 PM
I'm impressed. That's better than anything KU has come up with.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 26, 2016, 08:02:37 PM
QuoteIf any Baylor girl (which the assumption is that she is moderately intelligent) decides to go home with a tattooed dumbass who barely speaks english then she should be shipped back to Dallas or Houston.
What the hell do you think is going to happen?
Who raised the kids? Yes sir, I will take off my clothes after spending 3 hours with you at a stinky beer joint, but please dont excited by my young co-ed body?
Makes plenty of sense of to me.
Just more fodder for Buddy and Dary to take back control of the school and ensure that we suck.
Thee will get to relive his glory days.....even though what happened in the early 80's make 2015-16 look like grammar school.
In case anyone forgot....the moral majority can go fuk themselves again and again and again.
Baylor should drop all sports other than equestrian, tennis and golf. bunch of pu$$ies.
At least I can root for UCLA and Houston now. For that matter I might even root for the purple lesbians up north.
Just in case you forgot....go fuk yourselves.
What the eff?
:opcat: :curse: :buh-bye:
Post by: MakeItRain on May 26, 2016, 08:04:28 PM
Oh.
https://twitter.com/FakeWillie/status/735932574061600768
White people are absolutely the worst
Post by: Pete on May 26, 2016, 08:19:41 PM
Post by: KCFDcat on May 26, 2016, 08:40:25 PM
Why are liberals always getting upset about rape cover ups? Smh
pussification of america
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 08:51:46 PM
Post by: Pete on May 26, 2016, 08:59:30 PM
Post by: Trim on May 26, 2016, 09:05:41 PM
White people are absolutely the worst
Somewhere in kansas, that minor's dad/scorekeeper is still mad about our antics and ranting about all the crimes we must have committed over the last few years.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 26, 2016, 09:41:54 PM
Oh.
https://twitter.com/FakeWillie/status/735932574061600768
White people are absolutely the worst
He didn't say anything about race, rain. Only you did.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 26, 2016, 09:43:59 PM
Briles < Snyder
Case. Closed.
:buh-bye:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 09:59:28 PM
That's his only play. African American brought up in the Midwest. Married a white women, etc. we're all privileged tho!Oh.
https://twitter.com/FakeWillie/status/735932574061600768
White people are absolutely the worst
He didn't say anything about race, rain. Only you did.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 10:03:08 PM
Post by: eastcat on May 26, 2016, 10:14:26 PM
Oh.
https://twitter.com/FakeWillie/status/735932574061600768
White people are absolutely the worst
FBI stats disagree :jerk:
Post by: michigancat on May 26, 2016, 10:15:27 PM
Post by: HerrSonntag on May 26, 2016, 10:18:59 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2016, 10:24:34 PM
Good grief folksYou're very good at PI'ing, is MIR out of bounds? How long do we accept "white ppl suck" before addressing it? Because I'm sick of MIR's act. He grew up in Garden City, not the Bronx. Chose to take a job in Iowa too.
Post by: michigancat on May 26, 2016, 10:26:17 PM
knock it off, wackyGood grief folksYou're very good at PI'ing, is MIR out of bounds? How long do we accept "white ppl suck" before addressing it? Because I'm sick of MIR's act. He grew up in Garden City, not the Bronx. Chose to take a job in Iowa too.
Post by: pvegs on May 26, 2016, 10:29:31 PM
Post by: Spracne on May 26, 2016, 10:58:14 PM
Post by: Tobias on May 26, 2016, 11:22:56 PM
Post by: Missouriscribe on May 26, 2016, 11:39:06 PM
Post by: Spracne on May 26, 2016, 11:51:08 PM
Something seems too easy about the way this went down. As bad as losing their president and football coach is, this happened very quickly with very little wrongdoing admitted.
I doubt this is over. Nor did it happen quickly. They hired a well-known law firm with Title IX expertise to investigate their institution. That doesn't happen overnight. They were smart to take the initiative, but that doesn't mean the NCAA (or federal prosecutors, for that matter) won't be sending their own investigators. Furthermore, we haven't seen the contents of the full report.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 26, 2016, 11:54:45 PM
Wacky
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dreadcentral.com%2Fimg%2Fnews%2Foct12%2Fpat7.jpg&hash=0cd78365a87e610d5eaa01a98aaef9122c2b806e)
Post by: stunted on May 27, 2016, 12:42:44 AM
That's his only play. African American brought up in the Midwest. Married a white women, etc. we're all privileged tho!Oh.
https://twitter.com/FakeWillie/status/735932574061600768
White people are absolutely the worst
He didn't say anything about race, rain. Only you did.
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You can die from someone else’s misery—emotional states are as infectious as diseases....The unfortunate
sometimes draw misfortune on themselves; they will also draw it on you. Associate with the happy and
fortunate instead.
it's not worth it wacky. trump/privilege 4 life
Post by: Missouriscribe on May 27, 2016, 08:01:40 AM
Something seems too easy about the way this went down. As bad as losing their president and football coach is, this happened very quickly with very little wrongdoing admitted.
I doubt this is over. Nor did it happen quickly. They hired a well-known law firm with Title IX expertise to investigate their institution. That doesn't happen overnight. They were smart to take the initiative, but that doesn't mean the NCAA (or federal prosecutors, for that matter) won't be sending their own investigators. Furthermore, we haven't seen the contents of the full report.
OK, I'll amend my comment. I think specifically the Starr being demoted to chancellor - a position he created - while retaining all privileges seems like an aggressive move on his part that won't stand.
Post by: ednksu on May 27, 2016, 08:04:32 AM
Aggressive move to change the nameplate on his front door?Something seems too easy about the way this went down. As bad as losing their president and football coach is, this happened very quickly with very little wrongdoing admitted.
I doubt this is over. Nor did it happen quickly. They hired a well-known law firm with Title IX expertise to investigate their institution. That doesn't happen overnight. They were smart to take the initiative, but that doesn't mean the NCAA (or federal prosecutors, for that matter) won't be sending their own investigators. Furthermore, we haven't seen the contents of the full report.
OK, I'll amend my comment. I think specifically the Starr being demoted to chancellor - a position he created - while retaining all privileges seems like an aggressive move on his part that won't stand.
Post by: Missouriscribe on May 27, 2016, 08:07:48 AM
Post by: troubledscribe on May 27, 2016, 08:35:54 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 27, 2016, 08:46:17 AM
Post by: TheHamburglar on May 27, 2016, 08:51:44 AM
If I remember correctly, his Paterno comments made me cringe.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 27, 2016, 09:00:34 AM
How can so much weird stuff happen in such a relatively small community?
--Branch Davidians
--Carlton Dotson/Dave Bliss
--Fertilizer plant explosion two days after the Boston bombing, turns out it was intentionally set (I know this was actually the town of West, but gmafb it's the same place)
--Chip and Joanna are from there
--They made Ken Starr their university president lololol
--Toilet shaped stadium
--brick wall tarps
--This
How in the world did you forget the basketball decapitation? That's like the weirdest one.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 27, 2016, 09:01:00 AM
If Bennett takes the interim job, Bill's going to say something supportive of Phil and it's going to sound empathetic towards the Baylor staff. The tide is already turning towards "how can they keep someone from the inside who probably knew something" and referencing Phil's Sam Ukwauchu comments. Bill's going to error towards supporting his friend and it's not going to sound good.
If I remember correctly, his Paterno comments made me cringe.
Yes, Snyder put his foot in his mouth with regard to Paterno; hopefully he learned his lesson and won't do that same with regard to Bennett, because I think you are exactly right with regard to the heat coming on baylor for keeping bennett.
Post by: deputy dawg on May 27, 2016, 09:01:13 AM
If Bennett takes the interim job, Bill's going to say something supportive of Phil and it's going to sound empathetic towards the Baylor staff. The tide is already turning towards "how can they keep someone from the inside who probably knew something" and referencing Phil's Sam Ukwauchu comments. Bill's going to error towards supporting his friend and it's not going to sound good.
If I remember correctly, his Paterno comments made me cringe.
What did Bennett say about Ukwauchu? LHCBS seems savvy enough to avoid stepping in piles of crap...
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 27, 2016, 09:01:59 AM
How can so much weird stuff happen in such a relatively small community?
--Branch Davidians
--Carlton Dotson/Dave Bliss
--Fertilizer plant explosion two days after the Boston bombing, turns out it was intentionally set (I know this was actually the town of West, but gmafb it's the same place)
--Chip and Joanna are from there
--They made Ken Starr their university president lololol
--Toilet shaped stadium
--brick wall tarps
--This
How in the world did you forget the basketball decapitation? That's like the weirdest one.
Ah I see it, weird that you didn't name the murdered kid (Dennehy sp??).
Post by: Trim on May 27, 2016, 09:02:48 AM
LHCBS seems savvy enough to avoid stepping in piles of crap...
What if he leaves his note cards about what to say on the roof of his vehicle and then drives off?
Post by: deputy dawg on May 27, 2016, 09:10:52 AM
LHCBS seems savvy enough to avoid stepping in piles of crap...
What if he leaves his note cards about what to say on the roof of his vehicle and then drives off?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcoacheshotseat.com%2Fcoacheshotseatblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2FBillSnyder2.jpg&hash=6907317199144c639b6b2d1936c554e4668f39aa)
Post by: chum1 on May 27, 2016, 09:13:49 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on May 27, 2016, 09:17:51 AM
Regardless, if Bennett was hired in the interim then he must be pretty damn clean in this. They didn't fire Briles so they could potentially step in the crap with Bennett.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 27, 2016, 10:32:49 AM
If Bennett takes the interim job, Bill's going to say something supportive of Phil and it's going to sound empathetic towards the Baylor staff. The tide is already turning towards "how can they keep someone from the inside who probably knew something" and referencing Phil's Sam Ukwauchu comments. Bill's going to error towards supporting his friend and it's not going to sound good.
If I remember correctly, his Paterno comments made me cringe.
LHCBS seems savvy enough to avoid stepping in piles of crap...
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/01/kansas_state_coach_bill_snyder.htm
He had other comments after Paterno was fired but before he died that I can't find but they were similar.
Post by: Big Sam on May 27, 2016, 11:35:59 AM
How can so much weird stuff happen in such a relatively small community?
--Branch Davidians
--Carlton Dotson/Dave Bliss
--Fertilizer plant explosion two days after the Boston bombing, turns out it was intentionally set (I know this was actually the town of West, but gmafb it's the same place)
--Chip and Joanna are from there
--They made Ken Starr their university president lololol
--Toilet shaped stadium
--brick wall tarps
--This
How in the world did you forget the basketball decapitation? That's like the weirdest one.
There's a reason Chuck Barris called it Whack-o, Texas on the Gong Show over 40 years ago. CIA assassins know the real score.
Post by: Asteriskhead on May 27, 2016, 11:39:19 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 27, 2016, 11:40:41 AM
this thread is the best litmus test that has ever existed.
I hope it doesn't make me a rape defender...
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 27, 2016, 11:43:56 AM
Post by: kslim on May 27, 2016, 11:47:21 AM
:pray:
:buh-bye:
Post by: bshea85 on May 27, 2016, 02:59:52 PM
Briles just got #Paterno'd
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 27, 2016, 03:39:33 PM
Post by: troubledscribe on May 27, 2016, 03:41:28 PM
The last few pages have been fantastic. I want to thank each and every one of you.
You are welcome. If there is something I try hard at, it is posting on this great kstate fansite.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 27, 2016, 07:09:12 PM
something i still havent figured out is how waco PD is still just rainbows and sunshine in all of this, the cover up on their part is just as bad
Worse, since their sole function is law enforcement
Post by: Katpappy on May 27, 2016, 08:50:23 PM
JFC, this whole wacky/whoever else pissing contest is terrible bbs'n and is ruining the baylor coaching search before it even begins. Just stfu and move on so this thread can be readable again.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/Smileys/goEMAW/thumbs_up_emoticon.gif
Post by: Katpappy on May 27, 2016, 09:14:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjZZVT1UkAAgZOD.jpg)THIS IS WHY I CAN'T STAND THIS bad person; stole our chance at the MNC and has no problem stealing our catch words!!!
#Family
^message to k-state kats ?
Post by: Skipper44 on May 27, 2016, 10:08:45 PM
iirc Bennett was speaking at a Booster function last summer and said something along the lines of "we will have Sam at rush end" and motherfucking Sam's rapentrial started in August. This link is broke but Google still shows the story from the Baylor SB Nation siteIf Bennett takes the interim job, Bill's going to say something supportive of Phil and it's going to sound empathetic towards the Baylor staff. The tide is already turning towards "how can they keep someone from the inside who probably knew something" and referencing Phil's Sam Ukwauchu comments. Bill's going to error towards supporting his friend and it's not going to sound good.
If I remember correctly, his Paterno comments made me cringe.
What did Bennett say about Ukwauchu? LHCBS seems savvy enough to avoid stepping in piles of crap...
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Baylor DC Phil Bennett says DE Sam Ukwuachu is "expected" to return for 2015 - Our Daily Bears
www.ourdailybears.com › baylor-dc-phil...
Mobile-friendly - Jun 3, 2015 - ... but we never got any firm word and probably never will. According to Phil Bennett on today's John ...
Post by: CNS on May 28, 2016, 06:36:57 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjZZVT1UkAAgZOD.jpg)THIS IS WHY I CAN'T STAND THIS bad person; stole our chance at the MNC and has no problem stealing our catch words!!!
#Family
^message to k-state kats ?
I hope he completely rapes up #family to an unusable point.
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Post by: deputy dawg on May 28, 2016, 07:03:59 AM
something i still havent figured out is how waco PD is still just rainbows and sunshine in all of this, the cover up on their part is just as bad
Worse, since their sole function is law enforcement
I thought for sure the campus cops would get thrown under the bus. This scandal is still young, and firing Briles was the nuclear option that Baylor used to try to minimize the duration of media coverage. If the story has legs a week from now, Baylor may have to sacrifice others.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 28, 2016, 08:49:06 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 28, 2016, 09:17:27 AM
What if I told you guys that these cops are fans of a certain college team and keep their lips sealed on purpose? :Wha:
Except in manhattan, they are always after the frats and athletes
Post by: CNS on May 28, 2016, 03:15:20 PM
What if I told you guys that these cops are fans of a certain college team and keep their lips sealed on purpose? :Wha:
That would make them monsters. Almost as bad as those committing the crime. Possibly worse as it basically encourages repeated offenses by those doing the assault /rape.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 28, 2016, 03:31:07 PM
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Post by: CNS on May 28, 2016, 03:34:56 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 28, 2016, 03:38:13 PM
Sports take too prominent of a roll in a lot if ppls lives.I agree. I've been able to nurse it over the years, but I still need it for satisfaction.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 28, 2016, 03:39:05 PM
Post by: Katpappy on May 28, 2016, 11:31:04 PM
Like, why does my dick feel bigger when we beat KU @ basketball? :dunno:cause you take it out and swing it, while trolling for gayhawks!
Post by: manpow5 on May 29, 2016, 12:07:29 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2016, 12:39:57 PM
Fairly sure the majority of posters here have argued that we need less Currie style and more Briles Style AND have argued that more crimes (and stars) = more championships. So effectively those who have argued that point and are now saying these kids are terrible and Briles is the devil himself have crisply tucked their shirts in.
Lol no. The proper method is hope we cheat our balls off, win lots and then pretend we are above cheating while destroying the other teams that get caught.
Get with it
Post by: wetwillie on May 29, 2016, 12:42:24 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2016, 01:10:20 PM
Post by: Pete on May 29, 2016, 02:35:13 PM
Boosters/coaches paying players, recruiting players with other less rapey offenses (petty theft, disorderly, fisticuffs, etc), covering up such petty offenses, and other generalized recruiting violations fall within MCMW and are completely tolerated by goEMAW, officially. Just win, baby (but no rapes/beating up kids/girls/old people/animals).
If you are not down with this, you really should post on a different site.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2016, 02:47:54 PM
Rape and rape cover ups = not cool.
Boosters/coaches paying players, recruiting players with other less rapey offenses (petty theft, disorderly, fisticuffs, etc), covering up such petty offenses, and other generalized recruiting violations fall within MCMW and are completely tolerated by goEMAW, officially. Just win, baby (but no rapes/beating up kids/girls/old people/animals).
If you are not down with this, you really should post on a different site.
It's like the second line of the gEMAW charter/pledge.
Post by: wetwillie on May 29, 2016, 02:57:45 PM
Rape and rape cover ups = not cool.
Boosters/coaches paying players, recruiting players with other less rapey offenses (petty theft, disorderly, fisticuffs, etc), covering up such petty offenses, and other generalized recruiting violations fall within MCMW and are completely tolerated by goEMAW, officially. Just win, baby (but no rapes/beating up kids/girls/old people/animals).
If you are not down with this, you really should post on a different site.
How do fall on attempted murder? Also you were unclear on drugs.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2016, 03:50:23 PM
Rape and rape cover ups = not cool.
Boosters/coaches paying players, recruiting players with other less rapey offenses (petty theft, disorderly, fisticuffs, etc), covering up such petty offenses, and other generalized recruiting violations fall within MCMW and are completely tolerated by goEMAW, officially. Just win, baby (but no rapes/beating up kids/girls/old people/animals).
If you are not down with this, you really should post on a different site.
How do fall on attempted murder? Also you were unclear on drugs.
Drugs are cool unless like selling trafficking
Attempted murder will not be tolerated unless it's just winning a fight because you are tough then case by case basis
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2016, 03:53:05 PM
Post by: wetwillie on May 29, 2016, 03:59:15 PM
Rape and rape cover ups = not cool.
Boosters/coaches paying players, recruiting players with other less rapey offenses (petty theft, disorderly, fisticuffs, etc), covering up such petty offenses, and other generalized recruiting violations fall within MCMW and are completely tolerated by goEMAW, officially. Just win, baby (but no rapes/beating up kids/girls/old people/animals).
If you are not down with this, you really should post on a different site.
How do fall on attempted murder? Also you were unclear on drugs.
Drugs are cool unless like selling trafficking
Attempted murder will not be tolerated unless it's just winning a fight because you are tough then case by case basis
If you get crap faced and drive or assault someone with a deadly weapon we are g2g though right?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2016, 04:06:11 PM
Rape and rape cover ups = not cool.
Boosters/coaches paying players, recruiting players with other less rapey offenses (petty theft, disorderly, fisticuffs, etc), covering up such petty offenses, and other generalized recruiting violations fall within MCMW and are completely tolerated by goEMAW, officially. Just win, baby (but no rapes/beating up kids/girls/old people/animals).
If you are not down with this, you really should post on a different site.
How do fall on attempted murder? Also you were unclear on drugs.
Drugs are cool unless like selling trafficking
Attempted murder will not be tolerated unless it's just winning a fight because you are tough then case by case basis
If you get crap faced and drive or assault someone with a deadly weapon we are g2g though right?
Much like the justice system, there will be consequences for DUis
Case by case on the weapon
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2016, 04:42:50 PM
Rape and rape cover ups = not cool.
Boosters/coaches paying players, recruiting players with other less rapey offenses (petty theft, disorderly, fisticuffs, etc), covering up such petty offenses, and other generalized recruiting violations fall within MCMW and are completely tolerated by goEMAW, officially. Just win, baby (but no rapes/beating up kids/girls/old people/animals).
If you are not down with this, you really should post on a different site.
How do fall on attempted murder? Also you were unclear on drugs.
I want the coach to try to get him to campus, but the school to tell him no.
Post by: deputy dawg on May 29, 2016, 06:38:08 PM
Fairly sure the majority of posters here have argued that we need less Currie style and more Briles Style AND have argued that more crimes (and stars) = more championships. So effectively those who have argued that point and are now saying these kids are terrible and Briles is the devil himself have crisply tucked their shirts in.
Agree that most posters are on board with MCMW, but think most of them were thinking in terms of non-person crimes.
Post by: Katpappy on May 29, 2016, 09:12:59 PM
This!Fairly sure the majority of posters here have argued that we need less Currie style and more Briles Style AND have argued that more crimes (and stars) = more championships. So effectively those who have argued that point and are now saying these kids are terrible and Briles is the devil himself have crisply tucked their shirts in.
Lol no. The proper method is hope we cheat our balls off, win lots and then pretend we are above cheating while destroying the other teams that get caught.
Get with it
Post by: Katpappy on May 29, 2016, 09:15:12 PM
Rape and rape cover ups = not cool.And this!!!
Boosters/coaches paying players, recruiting players with other less rapey offenses (petty theft, disorderly, fisticuffs, etc), covering up such petty offenses, and other generalized recruiting violations fall within MCMW and are completely tolerated by goEMAW, officially. Just win, baby (but no rapes/beating up kids/girls/old people/animals).
If you are not down with this, you really should post on a different site.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 30, 2016, 03:07:01 AM
Also I'd bet a pretty large sum that Baylor was paying the eff out of their cruits/players
Thing is he's been doing all of this winning with average at best classes, not the Ol' Miss route.
Rivals class rankings
2016- 17
2015- 43
2014- 34
2013- 31
2012- 45
2011- 46
2010- 39
2009- 55
2008- 51
No 5 stars few 4 stars. He's an excellent "coach em' upper" just morally bankrupt.
Despite these underwhelming rankings we've only ranked ahead of Baylor twice in this time frame, 2008 and 2015. Of course at least two of our top 5 recruits from that class are already gone; Banks and English, and their best player in that class will be their starting quarterback for the next three years.
Post by: Steffy08 on May 30, 2016, 07:19:37 AM
Also I'd bet a pretty large sum that Baylor was paying the eff out of their cruits/players
Thing is he's been doing all of this winning with average at best classes, not the Ol' Miss route.
Rivals class rankings
2016- 17
2015- 43
2014- 34
2013- 31
2012- 45
2011- 46
2010- 39
2009- 55
2008- 51
No 5 stars few 4 stars. He's an excellent "coach em' upper" just morally bankrupt.
Despite these underwhelming rankings we've only ranked ahead of Baylor twice in this time frame, 2008 and 2015. Of course at least two of our top 5 recruits from that class are already gone; Banks and English, and their best player in that class will be their starting quarterback for the next three years.
He didn't coach them up; he roided them up.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 30, 2016, 08:55:33 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 30, 2016, 09:20:58 AM
Also I'd bet a pretty large sum that Baylor was paying the eff out of their cruits/players
Thing is he's been doing all of this winning with average at best classes, not the Ol' Miss route.
Rivals class rankings
2016- 17
2015- 43
2014- 34
2013- 31
2012- 45
2011- 46
2010- 39
2009- 55
2008- 51
No 5 stars few 4 stars. He's an excellent "coach em' upper" just morally bankrupt.
Despite these underwhelming rankings we've only ranked ahead of Baylor twice in this time frame, 2008 and 2015. Of course at least two of our top 5 recruits from that class are already gone; Banks and English, and their best player in that class will be their starting quarterback for the next three years.
He had some super rapey transfers
Post by: KCFDcat on May 30, 2016, 02:18:00 PM
Post by: Big Sam on May 30, 2016, 02:19:02 PM
He had some super rapey transfers
You are correct, sir!
Those super rapey transfers don't count in the recruiting class rankings, but can make a huge impact (in more ways than one).
Post by: GregKSU1027 on May 30, 2016, 02:21:10 PM
Jim Grobe?Don'tcha mean Jim Grope? :lol:
Post by: TownieCat on May 30, 2016, 02:29:08 PM
Post by: wetwillie on May 30, 2016, 03:34:01 PM
This will not end well for Bennett and the r
est of the staff if they're bringing in a guy like Grobe.
I think that may be the point
Post by: MakeItRain on May 30, 2016, 03:34:35 PM
This will not end well for Bennett and the rest of the staff if they're bringing in a guy like Grobe.
They've announced that the staff, including Phil and Kendall, are staying. Is Grobe going to let Kendall keep their offense?
Post by: MakeItRain on May 30, 2016, 03:35:39 PM
Also I'd bet a pretty large sum that Baylor was paying the eff out of their cruits/players
Thing is he's been doing all of this winning with average at best classes, not the Ol' Miss route.
Rivals class rankings
2016- 17
2015- 43
2014- 34
2013- 31
2012- 45
2011- 46
2010- 39
2009- 55
2008- 51
No 5 stars few 4 stars. He's an excellent "coach em' upper" just morally bankrupt.
Despite these underwhelming rankings we've only ranked ahead of Baylor twice in this time frame, 2008 and 2015. Of course at least two of our top 5 recruits from that class are already gone; Banks and English, and their best player in that class will be their starting quarterback for the next three years.
He didn't coach them up; he roided them up.
LOL
Post by: wetwillie on May 30, 2016, 07:48:26 PM
#johncurrieforbaylor
Post by: KITNfury on May 30, 2016, 07:52:10 PM
https://twitter.com/blairkerkhoff/status/737432823796224001liked/shared
#johncurrieforbaylor
Post by: MakeItRain on May 30, 2016, 10:08:11 PM
https://twitter.com/blairkerkhoff/status/737432823796224001
#johncurrieforbaylor
That would be pretty shitty
Post by: ednksu on May 31, 2016, 06:22:54 AM
"I've heard him say this 1,000 times in recruiting: 'Bring me an average player who's a great kid over a great player who's a bad kid,'" said Elrod. "That was huge to him."
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15839523/espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15839523/why-jim-grobe-perfect-guy-replace-art-briles-baylor
Millions of shirt stays are assuredly headed to Baylor as nothing will get the same tight tuck as linking your socks and polo.
https://www.google.com/search?q=marine+shirt+stays&oq=marine+shirt+stays&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.2655j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=marine+shirt+stays&safe=off&tbm=shop
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 31, 2016, 09:25:48 AM
He didn't coach them up; he roided them up.
Briles time as a high school coach in Stephenville is dogged by rumors of a steroid program (which is ridiculous for HS kids, they don't need exogenous test).
Also, the Tech guys have been claiming that Stidham showed up in a brand new truck when he enrolled at Baylor.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 31, 2016, 09:42:08 AM
He didn't coach them up; he roided them up.
Briles time as a high school coach in Stephenville is dogged by rumors of a steroid program (which is ridiculous for HS kids, they don't need exogenous test).
Also, the Tech guys have been claiming that Stidham showed up in a brand new truck when he enrolled at Baylor.
So in other words: Reinventing the SWC.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 31, 2016, 10:10:35 AM
Had a roommate who stuck roids in one of our long snappers asses all the time. Also, a LB he knew too.
Also, Beasley with the hummer and momma not working with a house. :jerk:
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 31, 2016, 10:12:14 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on May 31, 2016, 10:18:24 AM
:zzz:
Had a roommate who stuck roids in one of our long snappers asses all the time. Also, a LB he knew too.
Also, Beasley with the hummer and momma not working with a house. :jerk:
Beasley's mom was absolutely working
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 31, 2016, 10:47:15 AM
yeah. dngaf about baylor players showing up in new trucks.
I don't either.
I was friends with several football players at TCU during my time there. You can't stop players from getting paid. You can take steps that make it difficult, but it is impossible to shut down. Boosters show up to events with envelopes with cash and are very good at sliding them into pockets discreetly (one of my best friends was a starting LB, he received more than a couple). The veteran boosters know how to get the envelope to a player and make it to where the player would have to cause a scene to refuse it.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 31, 2016, 10:49:44 AM
:zzz:
Had a roommate who stuck roids in one of our long snappers asses all the time. Also, a LB he knew too.
Also, Beasley with the hummer and momma not working with a house. :jerk:
Steroids if taken under a proper program aren't nearly as bad for you as they are made out to be.
The steroid testing program for the NCAA is pretty laughable as well. It's very easy for players to avoid detection.
A steroid program for high schoolers is rough ridin' detestable though. Those kids are test factories. They don't need steroids.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 31, 2016, 10:51:08 AM
So in other words: Reinventing the SWC.
I'm not super old and I grew up in original Big 8 territory. So :dunno:
Post by: DeVere Kalmar on May 31, 2016, 11:29:34 AM
During a coaching staff meeting, things became heated and one assistant coach pulled a gun on another staff member. He soon left the staff "to pursue other opportunities."
Phil's coaching staff screamed so many profanities during practice that it became an issue and was in violation of some obscenity clause or something. The outdoor practice field was near an elementary school. The school district staff asked multiple times for them to stop, but they didn't. So finally the SMU legal team worked out a deal with the school district that all practices during elementary school time would take place in the indoor practice facility, otherwise the school district was going to take it to court with video and sound recordings.
Phil landed a qb recruit the old-fashioned way. He hired the recruit's mom to "clean his house." This meant that once a week she showed up and took an envelope of cash from his home.
Don't know if these are true, but there ya go.
Post by: KITNfury on May 31, 2016, 11:52:43 AM
It would be like Tony Montana selling coke on a corner.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2016, 01:33:58 PM
:zzz:
Had a roommate who stuck roids in one of our long snappers asses all the time. Also, a LB he knew too.
Also, Beasley with the hummer and momma not working with a house. :jerk:
Steroids if taken under a proper program aren't nearly as bad for you as they are made out to be.
The steroid testing program for the NCAA is pretty laughable as well. It's very easy for players to avoid detection.
A steroid program for high schoolers is rough ridin' detestable though. Those kids are test factories. They don't need steroids.
High school kids taking PEDs have been going on for a very long time. I could tell a story about so and so in my high school doing roids but I don't have to because they got very publicly busted for it 20 years ago. If it happened in my Kansas town of 25,000 people it certainly is happening all over Texas.
Post by: Skipper44 on May 31, 2016, 02:20:06 PM
and it was a duplex and 5 year old tahoe:zzz:
Had a roommate who stuck roids in one of our long snappers asses all the time. Also, a LB he knew too.
Also, Beasley with the hummer and momma not working with a house. :jerk:
Beasley's mom was absolutely working
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 31, 2016, 02:40:24 PM
I can confirm the first sentence tho. LB had a very big impact on our 2003 'ship too. :Woot:
Post by: Skipper44 on May 31, 2016, 02:45:22 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on May 31, 2016, 03:25:20 PM
High school kids taking PEDs have been going on for a very long time. I could tell a story about so and so in my high school doing roids but I don't have to because they got very publicly busted for it 20 years ago. If it happened in my Kansas town of 25,000 people it certainly is happening all over Texas.
I know. The rumors for Briles were that it was an organized program. Kids are going to use PEDs (I played football in HS. Our team sucked and wasn't even close to being worth juicing for but we had at least one juicer). They shouldn't be encouraged to do so by their coaches for HS football.
Encouraging or facilitating HS kids to use PEDs (by an adult) is detestable. I don't really have problems with it on the NCAA level.
Post by: ednksu on May 31, 2016, 08:06:52 PM
I believe the Jason Whitlock actually started the Hummer rumor by writing it in his column. I have also heard Bill Walker's mom was working at Lowe's in Topeka as a cashier when his was here and he was a top 10 recruit and actually was a much higher profile guy for most of his HS career, Beasley was kind of a late bloomer iirc.
I remember that bad person hit job on Beas. I believe he was rolling a late 90s suburban at the time? When K-Staters called him on his lie he backed off and tried to say he was trying to set up a fictitious scenario.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 31, 2016, 09:31:40 PM
Post by: KITNfury on May 31, 2016, 10:23:59 PM
Taking steroids is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) unless you are a livestockI'd take them if it meant me getting to the league
Post by: kim carnes on May 31, 2016, 10:27:10 PM
Taking steroids is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) unless you are a livestock
No
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 01, 2016, 09:31:38 AM
High school kids taking PEDs have been going on for a very long time. I could tell a story about so and so in my high school doing roids but I don't have to because they got very publicly busted for it 20 years ago. If it happened in my Kansas town of 25,000 people it certainly is happening all over Texas.
I know. The rumors for Briles were that it was an organized program. Kids are going to use PEDs (I played football in HS. Our team sucked and wasn't even close to being worth juicing for but we had at least one juicer). They shouldn't be encouraged to do so by their coaches for HS football.
Encouraging or facilitating HS kids to use PEDs (by an adult) is detestable. I don't really have problems with it on the NCAA level.
Probably shouldn't occur at the NCAA level either. Hormone therapy is quite ill-advised it testosterone production hasn't leveled off in the individual yet. I'm glad that someone else on this blogsite is pro-PED, but I think that it should occur at the professional level only. Hormone therapy could have disastrous effects on a 18-22 year old kid who is still developing.
Post by: kslim on June 01, 2016, 10:43:31 AM
do i compare it to rapes? no
can we move on from that? maybe
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 01, 2016, 12:36:26 PM
Post by: ednksu on June 01, 2016, 07:39:31 PM
"The captain goes down with the ship,"
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/ken-starr-out-baylor-university-223778?cmpid=sf
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2016, 08:21:50 AM
Post by: chum1 on June 02, 2016, 08:27:21 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2016, 08:31:43 AM
Can't fault them at all if they were just doing their due diligence in the meantime - ESPECIALLY with a majorly litigious fuckwad like Starr.Yeah. They didn't oscar hire this. They looked into it. :clap:
Post by: ednksu on June 02, 2016, 08:46:13 AM
Can't fault them at all if they were just doing their due diligence in the meantime - ESPECIALLY with a majorly litigious fuckwad like Starr.Yeah. They didn't oscar hire this. They looked into it. :clap:
If they don't have a morality contract clause strong enough to fire someone for covering up a rape(s) Baylor should murder all of their lawyers.
Post by: ednksu on June 02, 2016, 10:23:02 AM
My heart goes out to the victims for the pain that they have endured. Sexual assault has no place on our campus or in our society. As a father of two daughters, a grandfather, and a husband, my prayers are with the victims of this type of abuse, wherever they are. After 38 years of coaching, I have certainly made mistakes and, in hindsight, I would have done certain things differently. I always strive to be a better coach, a better father and husband, and a better person.
Keep in mind, the complete scope of what happened here has not been disclosed and unfortunately at this time I am contractually obligated to remain silent on the matter. The report prepared by Pepper Hamilton, the law firm hired and paid for by Baylor's Board of Regents, has not been shared with me directly, despite my full cooperation with the investigation. I can only assume that the report, which is not independent, supports the conclusions that the Board has already drawn. I hope to share with you what I was aware of as soon as I can so Baylor Nation can begin the healing process.
I have the utmost admiration for Baylor University, its community, and its important mission. I am truly grateful for having had the chance to coach hundreds of young student athletes at this University. I am deeply humbled for having had the opportunity to be a part of Baylor Nation.
Coach Art Briles
http://www.ourdailybears.com/baylor-football-scandal/2016/6/2/11838886/art-briles-releases-statement-to-kwtx-and-espns-mike-and-mike
Post by: ChiComCat on June 02, 2016, 10:34:08 AM
The report prepared by Pepper Hamilton, the law firm hired and paid for by Baylor's Board of Regents, has not been shared with me directly, despite my full cooperation with the investigation. I can only assume that the report, which is not independent, supports the conclusions that the Board has already drawn.
That attitude is the same stupid ass attitude that Tom Brady/Pat's fans have with deflategate. There is no reason the NFL would want to villainize and punish it's star player and no reason the Baylor BOR would want to destroy their football program. If anything, they hoped the Pepper Hamilton report would give them another out.
Post by: michigancat on June 02, 2016, 10:34:48 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2016, 10:37:33 AM
The report prepared by Pepper Hamilton, the law firm hired and paid for by Baylor's Board of Regents, has not been shared with me directly, despite my full cooperation with the investigation. I can only assume that the report, which is not independent, supports the conclusions that the Board has already drawn.
That attitude is the same stupid ass attitude that Tom Brady/Pat's fans have with deflategate. There is no reason the NFL would want to villainize and punish it's star player and no reason the Baylor BOR would want to destroy their football program. If anything, they hoped the Pepper Hamilton report would give them another out.
The school really should release the full report.
Post by: Trim on June 02, 2016, 10:41:41 AM
He's a father of a grandfather?
A veiled reference to being Snyder's daddy?
Post by: #LIFE on June 02, 2016, 10:45:59 AM
my prayers are with the victims of this type of abuse, wherever they are.
:surprised:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2016, 12:12:28 PM
Post by: kslim on June 02, 2016, 12:20:57 PM
He only said prayers once. I expected that phony religious dirtbag to throw around a bunch of god speak.dont worry, rumor is mike singletary is probably going to be the next coach. you will get all of the gospel coach speak you can handle, season ticket holders will receive a wooden cross necklace as well
Post by: Brock Landers on June 02, 2016, 12:53:25 PM
my prayers are with the victims of this type of abuse, wherever they are.
:surprised:
Rumblings that the tarp will be OFF for the Texas game.
That tarp has been there a long time. What's hiding underneath?? :ohno:
Tunnel to our rape train.
:thumbs:
:surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
Post by: Skipper44 on June 03, 2016, 01:20:51 PM
Singletary is just what this conference needs to fill the void from Proud Paul's departure :crossfingers:He only said prayers once. I expected that phony religious dirtbag to throw around a bunch of god speak.dont worry, rumor is mike singletary is probably going to be the next coach. you will get all of the gospel coach speak you can handle, season ticket holders will receive a wooden cross necklace as well
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 04, 2016, 09:36:56 AM
Post by: pvegs on June 04, 2016, 11:43:20 AM
Won't release recruits. What a dirtbag school
Grobe saying some crap abt how everyone needs "time to think" and digest what's happened before making any decisions. Well, okay, but the kids want out bc of a huge and evil scandal and IT'S rough ridin' JUNE SCHOOL STARTS IN AUGUST LET THEM LIVE THEIR LIVES
Post by: KITNfury on June 04, 2016, 01:21:40 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2016, 01:25:53 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 04, 2016, 01:39:26 PM
K-State has pulled the same crap guys.
Newsflash: IDGAF, the thread is for Baylor bashing
Post by: pvegs on June 04, 2016, 01:42:06 PM
K-State has pulled the same crap guys.
Newsflash: IDGAF, the thread is for Baylor bashing
yeah, i mean to do this crap right before kids are supposed to come and start summer workouts and fall practice is kind of different. also what is jim rough ridin' grobe going to say that will convince them?
Post by: Katpappy on June 04, 2016, 11:40:21 PM
maybe he wants to pull an Oscar and have one winning season.K-State has pulled the same crap guys.
Newsflash: IDGAF, the thread is for Baylor bashing
yeah, i mean to do this crap right before kids are supposed to come and start summer workouts and fall practice is kind of different. also what is jim rough ridin' grobe going to say that will convince them?
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 08, 2016, 07:35:07 PM
http://www.wibw.com/content/news/Well-known-Manhattan-businessman-arrested--382186651.html (http://www.wibw.com/content/news/Well-known-Manhattan-businessman-arrested--382186651.html)
Post by: waks on June 08, 2016, 07:48:17 PM
Sorry if Luk'd. Not sure where this goes:Extensively covered here (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=37680.150)
http://www.wibw.com/content/news/Well-known-Manhattan-businessman-arrested--382186651.html (http://www.wibw.com/content/news/Well-known-Manhattan-businessman-arrested--382186651.html)
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 08, 2016, 08:14:39 PM
:facepalm: Sorry, I never go on that section of gE...Sorry if Luk'd. Not sure where this goes:Extensively covered here (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=37680.150)
http://www.wibw.com/content/news/Well-known-Manhattan-businessman-arrested--382186651.html (http://www.wibw.com/content/news/Well-known-Manhattan-businessman-arrested--382186651.html)
Post by: WildcatNation on June 08, 2016, 09:33:56 PM
Sorry if Luk'd. Not sure where this goes:
http://www.wibw.com/content/news/Well-known-Manhattan-businessman-arrested--382186651.html (http://www.wibw.com/content/news/Well-known-Manhattan-businessman-arrested--382186651.html)
So you dropped it in the Baylor thread?
Post by: waks on June 09, 2016, 12:33:05 AM
Makes decent sense to meSorry if Luk'd. Not sure where this goes:
http://www.wibw.com/content/news/Well-known-Manhattan-businessman-arrested--382186651.html (http://www.wibw.com/content/news/Well-known-Manhattan-businessman-arrested--382186651.html)
So you dropped it in the Baylor thread?
Post by: scottwildcat on June 13, 2016, 08:00:58 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 13, 2016, 08:35:22 AM
Baylor regents meeting today to discuss if they will turn Briles being fired into a one year suspension :Lurk:.
That would be so Baylor.
Post by: deputy dawg on June 13, 2016, 09:06:31 AM
Baylor regents meeting today to discuss if they will turn Briles being fired into a one year suspension :Lurk:.
That would be so Baylor.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/report-baylor-considering-one-year-suspension-for-briles/ar-AAgYTjZ?li=BBnba9I&ocid=mailsignout
Post by: ChiComCat on June 13, 2016, 09:08:21 AM
Post by: The Big Train on June 13, 2016, 09:19:51 AM
Post by: Trim on June 13, 2016, 09:27:42 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 13, 2016, 10:01:54 AM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on June 13, 2016, 10:10:59 AM
Baylor regents meeting today to discuss if they will turn Briles being fired into a one year suspension :Lurk:.
Disgusting
Post by: Trim on June 13, 2016, 10:16:05 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 14, 2016, 10:52:05 AM
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 14, 2016, 10:57:23 AM
Wait, so they fired him but are considering not firing him? How does that work?
I think it has always been "suspended with intent to terminate" or some stupid crap, not fired. And everyone just assumed they'd do the right thing and let him go so they reported it as that
Post by: Missouriscribe on June 14, 2016, 04:55:56 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on June 14, 2016, 10:57:55 PM
https://twitter.com/JasonKingBR/status/742925987822768128
Post by: michigancat on June 15, 2016, 07:44:12 AM
I mean, we knew Jason King was human garbage, but the extent to which he is willing go full pro-Briles, pro-Baylor in the midst of this is still jarring.that's amazing
https://twitter.com/JasonKingBR/status/742925987822768128
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 15, 2016, 08:26:32 AM
Post by: DQ12 on June 15, 2016, 10:13:23 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on June 15, 2016, 12:01:18 PM
There is absolutely no way the he didn't know about some of this and choose to do nothing. He accepted multiple players that have been in trouble in the past AND did not punish players on his team for the same conduct. That isn't giving players a second chance, that is blatantly putting students at risk for the benefit of the football team. If he was somehow miraculously ignorant to all of his athlete's conduct, he should be let go for gross incompetence to the extent of putting students at risk.
Post by: catastrophe on June 15, 2016, 12:24:35 PM
Post by: Katpappy on June 15, 2016, 01:29:16 PM
It's weird that Baylor fans think there would be even a shred of redeeming material in the report.It's not that hard. They want to keep the best coach Baylor has had in the 21st century. :Cheers:
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 18, 2016, 10:26:30 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 18, 2016, 12:22:29 PM
I think they should release the report but there is no way Briles should be brought back.
There is absolutely no way the he didn't know about some of this and choose to do nothing. He accepted multiple players that have been in trouble in the past AND did not punish players on his team for the same conduct. That isn't giving players a second chance, that is blatantly putting students at risk for the benefit of the football team. If he was somehow miraculously ignorant to all of his athlete's conduct, he should be let go for gross incompetence to the extent of putting students at risk.
Briles is a master of denying stuff.
My son is roaming another team's sidelines stealing info? I am shocked!
This transfer is a dangerous sexual predator and his coach literally called me and told me? Well now, I do not remember that!
He will always be able to say he simply had no idea what his athletes were doing...I think the admin realized when it is so widespread that schtick was not going to fly
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 31, 2016, 02:06:38 PM
How about you get charged with a crime for your trouble
Post by: Missouriscribe on July 31, 2016, 04:00:58 PM
Post by: That_Guy on July 31, 2016, 06:11:36 PM
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Post by: bucket on July 31, 2016, 10:07:31 PM
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Baylor rape victims say the university told women who attempted to report their assaults that their parents would be informed of their alcohol or drug use under the student conduct code and in some circumstances were themselves charged with code violations, according to the Associated Press.
Baylor’s student code banned dancing until 1996 and only last year removed “fornication,” “adultery,” and “homosexual acts” from its official list of misconduct. Victims say Baylor even punished women who tried to report assaults that happened to other victims:
One woman said her case began when she called police to report a physical assault on another woman at an off-campus party. Police demanded to know if she was underage and had been drinking, then arrested and reported her to the school office that investigates conduct code violations, she said. She told Baylor officials her drinking was a result of being raped a month earlier and detailed what happened in person and in a letter.
She received an alcohol code violation and told to do 25 hours community service, and when she tried to appeal, the woman said Baylor officials urged her to drop it. The school never pursued her rape claim.
“I was told by many Baylor staff that they couldn’t do anything for me because my assault was off campus, yet they had no problem punishing me for my off-campus drinking,” the woman said.
Universities are required by federal law to investigate sexual assaults, whether they happen on- or off-campus, and feds informed Baylor in 2011 that its conduct policy may have a chilling effect on sexual assault reporting. Being caught drinking alcohol is cause for expulsion under Baylor’s student conduct policy.
Pepper Hamilton’s report cited the policy as “creating barriers” to victims reporting their assaults, due both to fears of being punished and those of parental informing.
http://deadspin.com/report-baylor-coerced-rape-victims-into-silence-by-thr-1784599815?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Post by: scottwildcat on July 31, 2016, 10:24:59 PM
The NCAA has to come down on them, right?This most recent report has nothing to do with their athletic department, so, no they don't, and no they won't.
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Post by: scottwildcat on July 31, 2016, 10:27:12 PM
Post by: ednksu on August 01, 2016, 09:57:33 PM
Post by: bucket on August 02, 2016, 08:53:51 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 03, 2016, 08:48:33 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 03, 2016, 10:16:12 AM
Case closed. Bill wins. Lock this rough rider up.
Also 'Stone was completely right about this, lock it.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 03, 2016, 11:35:25 AM
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Post by: deputy dawg on August 03, 2016, 02:24:50 PM
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/17208637/district-attorney-asks-baylor-bears-pepper-hamilton-investigation-access
Interesting that Baylor reportedly did not take possession of the report so that it would not be available via civil subpoena. DA will have problems getting it via court order due to attorney-client privilege. Looks crafty at the moment, but if the DA secures a copy, it will bolster an obstruction of justice case....
Pretty slimy move.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 03, 2016, 02:43:46 PM
Post by: deputy dawg on August 03, 2016, 02:50:44 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on August 03, 2016, 02:56:22 PM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 03, 2016, 03:05:22 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 03, 2016, 04:22:56 PM
I doubt they did, they can look at it whenever they want--while in possession of their attorneys. Poor security over that report would be bad news, any copy not in possession of the attorneys is subject to subpoena or seizure via a search warrant. I'd guess they're smart enough to not risk having physical custody of the report--if they do and say the don't, you have another obstruction of justice and a perjury charge staring you in the face.
If you can see it on your screen, you have possession of it.
Post by: Kat Kid on August 03, 2016, 05:05:45 PM
I doubt they did, they can look at it whenever they want--while in possession of their attorneys. Poor security over that report would be bad news, any copy not in possession of the attorneys is subject to subpoena or seizure via a search warrant. I'd guess they're smart enough to not risk having physical custody of the report--if they do and say the don't, you have another obstruction of justice and a perjury charge staring you in the face.
If you can see it on your screen, you have possession of it.
Remember when they scheduled and received a dramatic reading of the report, instead of a written report?
Post by: catastrophe on August 03, 2016, 05:17:13 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on August 03, 2016, 05:19:21 PM
I don't see why it would matter for attorney-client privilege purposes whether the report is in the possession of the attorney vs. the client.
let's all throw our "I don't sees" in the ring here and field test our law and order knowledge.
Post by: Kat Kid on August 03, 2016, 05:20:00 PM
I don't see why it would matter for attorney-client privilege purposes whether the report is in the possession of the attorney vs. the client.
Possession is 9/10ths the law.
Post by: catastrophe on August 03, 2016, 05:24:54 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on August 03, 2016, 05:45:09 PM
Also, if there is evidence the report contains information about an ongoing crime then I don't think attorney-client privilege matters.
I'm pretty sure there is spousal privilege that is even better than attorney client, maybe some of these people marry each other? Just speculating!
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Post by: catastrophe on August 03, 2016, 07:30:25 PM
Also, if there is evidence the report contains information about an ongoing crime then I don't think attorney-client privilege matters.
I'm pretty sure there is spousal privilege that is even better than attorney client, maybe some of these people marry each other? Just speculating!
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That would be pretty devious.
Post by: deputy dawg on August 03, 2016, 09:48:25 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 04, 2016, 09:02:09 AM
Hmmm...fortunately, most of you are not familiar with the criminal justice system, and that's a good thing. You absolutely CANNOT subpoena an attorney for their client's records, it truly is a privilege. Trust me, I would love to do that in my investigations, but it is an inviolable privilege. You never see Perry Mason called to testify against his client--well the same principle applies here. Baylor instructed Pepper Hamilton to retain the report for that very reason. Yeah, I'm sure they (Baylor) know what it says, but have not retained a copy. Instructing Pepper Hamilton to retain the report was a very smart move, and anyone at Baylor that would undermine that by keeping a copy would be incredibly stupid, and put the institution at risk. Maybe the DA will get lucky and discover a Baylor dumbass that kept a copy of the report, and issue a court order to obtain it. Slim odds on that, though.
Then they had it and destroyed it.
Post by: catastrophe on August 04, 2016, 09:52:03 AM
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/the-crime-fraud-exception-the-attorney-client-privilege.html
Post by: deputy dawg on August 04, 2016, 10:17:55 AM
What you described might be the rule of thumb for investigators, but it's not the law. Law firms get subpoenaed all the time and are obligated to respond. They typically don't have to produce privileged documents, but neither does a client. You cannot just hand something to your attorney in order to make impossible to get.
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/the-crime-fraud-exception-the-attorney-client-privilege.html
You are correct to a point. The Pepper Hamilton report is work product of the firm, and is privileged. It was not prepared by Baylor and handed to Pepper Hamilton, the firm was engaged to prepare the report.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 04, 2016, 02:49:27 PM
What you described might be the rule of thumb for investigators, but it's not the law. Law firms get subpoenaed all the time and are obligated to respond. They typically don't have to produce privileged documents, but neither does a client. You cannot just hand something to your attorney in order to make impossible to get.
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/the-crime-fraud-exception-the-attorney-client-privilege.html
You are correct to a point. The Pepper Hamilton report is work product of the firm, and is privileged. It was not prepared by Baylor and handed to Pepper Hamilton, the firm was engaged to prepare the report.
Work product has a pretty good set of exceptions, and the investigative report not being available by any other means is pretty apparent.
Post by: ednksu on August 05, 2016, 12:49:09 AM
I'm curious to what kind of 'privacy' they are claiming. We've all seen people try to say they are protecting victims by preventing reports containing those names or identifying info. This doesn't seems like attorney client action.
What you described might be the rule of thumb for investigators, but it's not the law. Law firms get subpoenaed all the time and are obligated to respond. They typically don't have to produce privileged documents, but neither does a client. You cannot just hand something to your attorney in order to make impossible to get.
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/the-crime-fraud-exception-the-attorney-client-privilege.html
Also this, especially if it appears like the admin is looking for a report as a way to find holes to plug them.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 19, 2016, 11:35:31 AM
Post by: pissclams on August 19, 2016, 11:54:02 AM
Post by: pvegs on August 19, 2016, 01:55:33 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on August 19, 2016, 05:19:04 PM
Post by: ednksu on August 19, 2016, 07:09:25 PM
I hope someone hits that guy with a car and he bleeds out slowly.
Post by: That_Guy on August 19, 2016, 08:01:19 PM
jesus christ I watched it :frown:
I hope someone hits that guy with a car and he bleeds out slowly.
He needs punched right in the throat. Continuously.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 19, 2016, 08:17:08 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 20, 2016, 10:34:12 AM
Who has subpoenaed the report, and who is claiming privilege? I thought the report was an evaluation of baylor's ncaa compliance protocols, not legal advice on how to cover up rape, or whatever you dillweeds are implying.
I don't think anyone has yet.
It is going to come out unless they try and get it in McLennan county or wherever Baylor has convinced the law enforcement and bench to be their cover ups.
Post by: Spracne on August 20, 2016, 10:41:11 AM
I believe Baylor already has pending Title IX litigation, which I assume the feds have exclusive jurisdiction over? Regardless, just make a Title IX claim and it's out of the local courts.Who has subpoenaed the report, and who is claiming privilege? I thought the report was an evaluation of baylor's ncaa compliance protocols, not legal advice on how to cover up rape, or whatever you dillweeds are implying.
I don't think anyone has yet.
It is going to come out unless they try and get it in McLennan county or wherever Baylor has convinced the law enforcement and bench to be their cover ups.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 20, 2016, 10:57:42 AM
I believe Baylor already has pending Title IX litigation, which I assume the feds have exclusive jurisdiction over? Regardless, just make a Title IX claim and it's out of the local courts.Who has subpoenaed the report, and who is claiming privilege? I thought the report was an evaluation of baylor's ncaa compliance protocols, not legal advice on how to cover up rape, or whatever you dillweeds are implying.
I don't think anyone has yet.
It is going to come out unless they try and get it in McLennan county or wherever Baylor has convinced the law enforcement and bench to be their cover ups.
the PH report is gong to come out eventually, they might as well get it over with.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 20, 2016, 12:19:16 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 20, 2016, 12:24:04 PM
I believe Baylor already has pending Title IX litigation, which I assume the feds have exclusive jurisdiction over? Regardless, just make a Title IX claim and it's out of the local courts.Who has subpoenaed the report, and who is claiming privilege? I thought the report was an evaluation of baylor's ncaa compliance protocols, not legal advice on how to cover up rape, or whatever you dillweeds are implying.
I don't think anyone has yet.
It is going to come out unless they try and get it in McLennan county or wherever Baylor has convinced the law enforcement and bench to be their cover ups.
It will be subject to a 1000 page PO.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 20, 2016, 12:29:21 PM
I believe Baylor already has pending Title IX litigation, which I assume the feds have exclusive jurisdiction over? Regardless, just make a Title IX claim and it's out of the local courts.Who has subpoenaed the report, and who is claiming privilege? I thought the report was an evaluation of baylor's ncaa compliance protocols, not legal advice on how to cover up rape, or whatever you dillweeds are implying.
I don't think anyone has yet.
It is going to come out unless they try and get it in McLennan county or wherever Baylor has convinced the law enforcement and bench to be their cover ups.
It will be subject to a 1000 page PO.
will still probably get leaked
Post by: Steffy08 on August 20, 2016, 12:53:06 PM
I believe Baylor already has pending Title IX litigation, which I assume the feds have exclusive jurisdiction over? Regardless, just make a Title IX claim and it's out of the local courts.Who has subpoenaed the report, and who is claiming privilege? I thought the report was an evaluation of baylor's ncaa compliance protocols, not legal advice on how to cover up rape, or whatever you dillweeds are implying.
I don't think anyone has yet.
It is going to come out unless they try and get it in McLennan county or wherever Baylor has convinced the law enforcement and bench to be their cover ups.
the PH report is gong to come out eventually, they might as well get it over with.
The problem for Baylor is that the report undoubtedly casts some of the assistants as horrible people, but BU tried to salvage this season by keeping the gang of assistants on staff. So they can't come clean with the report, because that would demonstrate they aren't really serious about making cultural changes.
Nothing has changed with them; still evil, shallow, and self-rightous
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 20, 2016, 01:00:57 PM
I believe Baylor already has pending Title IX litigation, which I assume the feds have exclusive jurisdiction over? Regardless, just make a Title IX claim and it's out of the local courts.Who has subpoenaed the report, and who is claiming privilege? I thought the report was an evaluation of baylor's ncaa compliance protocols, not legal advice on how to cover up rape, or whatever you dillweeds are implying.
I don't think anyone has yet.
It is going to come out unless they try and get it in McLennan county or wherever Baylor has convinced the law enforcement and bench to be their cover ups.
the PH report is gong to come out eventually, they might as well get it over with.
The problem for Baylor is that the report undoubtedly casts some of the assistants as horrible people, but BU tried to salvage this season by keeping the gang of assistants on staff. So they can't come clean with the report, because that would demonstrate they aren't really serious about making cultural changes.
Nothing has changed with them; still evil, shallow, and self-rightous
they have already demonstrated they aren't serious
Post by: Steffy08 on August 20, 2016, 01:16:21 PM
I believe Baylor already has pending Title IX litigation, which I assume the feds have exclusive jurisdiction over? Regardless, just make a Title IX claim and it's out of the local courts.Who has subpoenaed the report, and who is claiming privilege? I thought the report was an evaluation of baylor's ncaa compliance protocols, not legal advice on how to cover up rape, or whatever you dillweeds are implying.
I don't think anyone has yet.
It is going to come out unless they try and get it in McLennan county or wherever Baylor has convinced the law enforcement and bench to be their cover ups.
the PH report is gong to come out eventually, they might as well get it over with.
The problem for Baylor is that the report undoubtedly casts some of the assistants as horrible people, but BU tried to salvage this season by keeping the gang of assistants on staff. So they can't come clean with the report, because that would demonstrate they aren't really serious about making cultural changes.
Nothing has changed with them; still evil, shallow, and self-rightous
they have already demonstrated they aren't serious
True. I should've said "it would provide further proof that they aren't serious"
Post by: WildcatNation on August 29, 2016, 02:13:45 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 29, 2016, 02:16:43 PM
Zamora is starting week 1. Nice job Grobe.Son of a bitch! :curse:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ikcJ56KAyhm8w/giphy.gif)
Post by: Katpappy on August 29, 2016, 09:53:38 PM
I would call you an effin jerk; if that gif wasn't so gawd damned funny! (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2FgoEMAW%2FROFL.gif&hash=6bba8807037f47549325f7bacc2721aa5071ac45)Zamora is starting week 1. Nice job Grobe.Son of a bitch! :curse:
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Post by: Katpappy on August 29, 2016, 09:59:36 PM
Post by: MadCat on August 29, 2016, 10:08:57 PM
Post by: That_Guy on August 30, 2016, 12:59:01 AM
But you know what would be funny and enjoyable. Zamora and Grobe being tossed off the bridge by a dog. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2FgoEMAW%2Fthumbs_up_emoticon.gif&hash=b1f2e975b7df20d1f196018d8418db79682bd85d)
I'm sure Clifford could get the job done.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 30, 2016, 07:40:41 AM
Post by: kitten_mittons on August 30, 2016, 07:51:02 AM
Is this the guy that hit his dog? WgafNon-psychotics.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 30, 2016, 08:09:15 AM
Is this the guy that hit his dog? Wgaf
You think he just hit his dog?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 30, 2016, 08:30:35 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 30, 2016, 09:12:31 AM
Post by: deputy dawg on August 30, 2016, 09:58:10 AM
Zamora is starting week 1. Nice job Grobe.Son of a bitch! :curse:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ikcJ56KAyhm8w/giphy.gif)
That Pontiac Catalina! Wow, it's identical to the car I was assigned to for high school drivers education! The GIF is hilarious.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 30, 2016, 04:25:27 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidSmoak/status/770733193020387328
Apparently Grobe is more like this.
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Good for him!
Post by: Yard Dog on August 30, 2016, 04:26:28 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 30, 2016, 04:27:46 PM
Hmmmm.....
https://twitter.com/DavidSmoak/status/770733193020387328
Apparently Grobe is more like this.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/mOxCUSoRZ7vDq/giphy.gif)
Good for him!
FSD will be PISSED
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 30, 2016, 04:30:25 PM
Post by: Yard Dog on August 30, 2016, 05:16:08 PM
So he will be sitting out games against Northwestern State, SMU, and Rice . . . I don't think he will feel much remorse when he is spending the second half on the sidelines with the starters anyways.
https://twitter.com/GPCwallace/status/770743604390178816
Wally agrees with me. :don'tcare:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 30, 2016, 05:25:29 PM
There's a difference between a slap at your dog and totally abusing the poor son of a bitch, you awful person fsd. That gif up above was live footage of the event.
Jsck Black punting that stuffed dog was live footage??? JK, haha, sucker :Take the Bait:
Sadly, my troll was vindicated by the suspension against the 3 sister's of the poor teams baylor plays every year. Apparently nobody actually gaf about dogs. :blindfold:
Post by: michigancat on August 30, 2016, 05:25:53 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 30, 2016, 06:32:15 PM
;)There's a difference between a slap at your dog and totally abusing the poor son of a bitch, you awful person fsd. That gif up above was live footage of the event.
Jsck Black punting that stuffed dog was live footage??? JK, haha, sucker :Take the Bait:
Sadly, my troll was vindicated by the suspension against the 3 sister's of the poor teams baylor plays every year. Apparently nobody actually gaf about dogs. :blindfold:
Post by: Skipper44 on August 30, 2016, 08:46:55 PM
how has Nyle Wiren not been mentioned?that dog had it coming, every living creature in that house got its ass kicked :lynchmob:
Post by: MakeItRain on August 31, 2016, 12:33:55 AM
how has Nyle Wiren not been mentioned?
Can I have a few guesses?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 31, 2016, 08:28:14 AM
Post by: Fedor on August 31, 2016, 08:34:40 AM
Sure, have a go but don't even think about mentioning skin color because there are at least 3 factor well ahead of that.how has Nyle Wiren not been mentioned?
Can I have a few guesses?
Post by: michigancat on August 31, 2016, 09:17:06 AM
I was thinking it was because he played for KSU and there was no video. But whatever.Sure, have a go but don't even think about mentioning skin color because there are at least 3 factor well ahead of that.how has Nyle Wiren not been mentioned?
Can I have a few guesses?
Post by: Fedor on August 31, 2016, 09:40:07 AM
Also was so long ago that a large portion of the posters here don't know the story. But it seems it is always in play with MIR. My apologies if this is not the case.I was thinking it was because he played for KSU and there was no video. But whatever.Sure, have a go but don't even think about mentioning skin color because there are at least 3 factor well ahead of that.how has Nyle Wiren not been mentioned?
Can I have a few guesses?
Post by: MakeItRain on August 31, 2016, 03:10:53 PM
Also was so long ago that a large portion of the posters here don't know the story. But it seems it is always in play with MIR. My apologies if this is not the case.I was thinking it was because he played for KSU and there was no video. But whatever.Sure, have a go but don't even think about mentioning skin color because there are at least 3 factor well ahead of that.how has Nyle Wiren not been mentioned?
Can I have a few guesses?
:ROFL:
Post by: The Big Train on September 16, 2016, 07:41:02 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 16, 2016, 07:50:54 PM
Post by: CNS on September 16, 2016, 07:53:05 PM
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Post by: The Big Train on September 16, 2016, 10:21:58 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on September 17, 2016, 06:48:18 AM
Post by: The Big Train on September 17, 2016, 07:36:29 AM
:lol: just heard that during halftime the Rice marching band made a giant "IX". Wonder if Briles stuck around for it.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/9/16/12949832/rice-band-baylor
Post by: Big Sam on October 08, 2016, 09:05:08 AM
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/10/07/coverup-culture-persists-at-baylor-amid-widespread-campus-rape-crisis/ (https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/10/07/coverup-culture-persists-at-baylor-amid-widespread-campus-rape-crisis/)
Post by: deputy dawg on October 31, 2016, 01:04:01 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/e7d01e2a-f982-3d11-bebc-c5c3210750db/ss_baylor-sex-assault-scandal.html
First mention I've heard of a gang rape....
Post by: That_Guy on October 31, 2016, 01:52:17 PM
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Post by: WildcatPower on October 31, 2016, 06:10:59 PM
I have a feeling that this is going to get more uglier....
Post by: ednksu on October 31, 2016, 07:26:52 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 31, 2016, 07:32:19 PM
Post by: pissclams on October 31, 2016, 07:50:03 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 31, 2016, 08:32:38 PM
nah, the ncaa was neutered years ago. there is no going back. they're varys.
varys is p powerful
Post by: pissclams on October 31, 2016, 08:45:28 PM
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Post by: Canary on October 31, 2016, 09:26:34 PM
Post by: WildcatPower on October 31, 2016, 10:34:51 PM
I don't believe anything will be done in regards to Baylor. Sadly.
Unfortunately, I hate saying it in despise of NCAA & Baylor, but you're probably right. They only care about making money and not the integrity of the game or the students.
This is a perfect example of the NCAA (or the Big 12 for that matter) to intervene and drop the hammer on them and say "Hey, this $*!% is getting old quick. Give us that Pepper Hamilton report (in full, no redacted's), cease the posturing and hypocritical Mickey Mouse BS, and get your Title IX in order, or we'll just go to a different direction due to the sheer egregiousness of the misconducts that was/is occurring." And make it stick this time without any rescinds.
If Baylor still thinks they're untouchable (based on the way they're acting currently, other than throwing some guys under the bus), then just put the death penalty, "unequivocally", on the table as one of the sanctions. I'm not sure you could call Baylor's corrective actions "swift" or applied correctly/fairly to have the death penalty off the table at this point.
Post by: CNS on November 01, 2016, 07:49:58 AM
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Post by: deputy dawg on November 01, 2016, 08:52:20 AM
I don't believe anything will be done in regards to Baylor. Sadly.
Unfortunately, I hate saying it in despise of NCAA & Baylor, but you're probably right. They only care about making money and not the integrity of the game or the students.
This is a perfect example of the NCAA (or the Big 12 for that matter) to intervene and drop the hammer on them and say "Hey, this $*!% is getting old quick. Give us that Pepper Hamilton report (in full, no redacted's), cease the posturing and hypocritical Mickey Mouse BS, and get your Title IX in order, or we'll just go to a different direction due to the sheer egregiousness of the misconducts that was/is occurring." And make it stick this time without any rescinds.
If Baylor still thinks they're untouchable (based on the way they're acting currently, other than throwing some guys under the bus), then just put the death penalty, "unequivocally", on the table as one of the sanctions. I'm not sure you could call Baylor's corrective actions "swift" or applied correctly/fairly to have the death penalty off the table at this point.
This. Plus tie into the resignation of the gal brought in to clean up the Title IX mess at Baylor, and the resistance she met after their shitty treatment of rape victims was exposed. Baylor has gotten away with a lot, and has not had to pay a price, except for some bad press.
Post by: ednksu on November 01, 2016, 11:12:12 AM
I don't believe anything will be done in regards to Baylor. Sadly.
Unfortunately, I hate saying it in despise of NCAA & Baylor, but you're probably right. They only care about making money and not the integrity of the game or the students.
This is a perfect example of the NCAA (or the Big 12 for that matter) to intervene and drop the hammer on them and say "Hey, this $*!% is getting old quick. Give us that Pepper Hamilton report (in full, no redacted's), cease the posturing and hypocritical Mickey Mouse BS, and get your Title IX in order, or we'll just go to a different direction due to the sheer egregiousness of the misconducts that was/is occurring." And make it stick this time without any rescinds.
If Baylor still thinks they're untouchable (based on the way they're acting currently, other than throwing some guys under the bus), then just put the death penalty, "unequivocally", on the table as one of the sanctions. I'm not sure you could call Baylor's corrective actions "swift" or applied correctly/fairly to have the death penalty off the table at this point.
This. Plus tie into the resignation of the gal brought in to clean up the Title IX mess at Baylor, and the resistance she met after their shitty treatment of rape victims was exposed. Baylor has gotten away with a lot, and has not had to pay a price, except for some bad press.
Quite frankly, this is a bullshit way of looking at this. They had their chance to clean up their act after the first 5 or 10 rapes. Stop and think about that. They let this go on and on and on. The only thing the NCAA should be considering is a death penalty for the football program (as I said I would love to see the entire AD) and the only consideration should be how long their program is shut down. We are so far beyond different options of punishments being 'on the table', it's insane to consider anything but ending their program for a decade.
Post by: kslim on November 01, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
eff baylor, waco and everything they have done
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 01, 2016, 11:19:23 AM
Post by: Canary on November 01, 2016, 11:26:03 AM
How can you guys think the NCAA believes that raping women is worse than raping kids? If they do anything, it will be a slap on the wrist compared to what Penn State got.That's a good point, but I think the scope of those who knew is larger at Baylor than it was at Penn State. I can believe that very few knew at Penn State. At Baylor it seems highly unlikely that anyone on the coaching staff would be unaware of what was going on.
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 01, 2016, 11:29:54 AM
Post by: pissclams on November 01, 2016, 09:21:34 PM
^the truth
Post by: Katpappy on November 01, 2016, 09:32:06 PM
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Post by: Canary on November 01, 2016, 09:54:01 PM
Who was the highest ranking person to know in either situation? I can't remember. To me that matters more than how many knew.As near as I can recall the president at Baylor knew, and Joe Paterno and campus law enforcement at Penn State. I could be absolutely wrong about that though.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 01, 2016, 10:10:23 PM
The rapists at baylor are some jerkoff roided out jocks rage-raping coeds in drunken stupers. I.e., ncaa standard conduct for p5 athletes since 1952, sadly.
Post by: Katpappy on November 01, 2016, 10:36:14 PM
Also, the rapist at penn state was a coach who used university facilities to lure child victims into his rape den of terror over a period of decades.Why the 1952 date?
The rapists at baylor are some jerkoff roided out jocks rage-raping coeds in drunken stupers. I.e., ncaa standard conduct for p5 athletes since 1952, sadly.
Post by: ednksu on November 02, 2016, 01:06:30 AM
Also, the rapist at penn state was a coach who used university facilities to lure child victims into his rape den of terror over a period of decades.But my understanding is that roided jerk off was reported to the police and university whereas Pedo lion was not.
The rapists at baylor are some jerkoff roided out jocks rage-raping coeds in drunken stupers. I.e., ncaa standard conduct for p5 athletes since 1952, sadly.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 02, 2016, 08:12:43 AM
Also, the rapist at penn state was a coach who used university facilities to lure child victims into his rape den of terror over a period of decades.But my understanding is that roided jerk off was reported to the police and university whereas Pedo lion was not.
The rapists at baylor are some jerkoff roided out jocks rage-raping coeds in drunken stupers. I.e., ncaa standard conduct for p5 athletes since 1952, sadly.
The rapes were reported to Paterno and he sent them up the chain to the president. Then nobody did anything.
Post by: Bookcat on November 02, 2016, 08:34:58 AM
"Anyone who has had firsthand experience of sexual assault understands that many victims go through a deep sense of shame, guilt and fear. Some may be afraid that no one will listen to them or believe them or that they will be the targets of retaliation. These incidents may leave lifelong scars. This is the reason we are working so hard to remove barriers to reporting and to provide a supportive environment for our students.
That Baylor did not respond as a caring Christian community to those who were hurt grieves all of us – regents, administrators, faculty and staff. On behalf of everyone at Baylor, I want to apologize again to the victims and their families. I will do all I can to ensure this never happens again." D. Garland, Interim Prez
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Wow.... what crap.
Post by: Katpappy on November 02, 2016, 08:48:14 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 03, 2016, 10:22:35 PM
Also, the rapist at penn state was a coach who used university facilities to lure child victims into his rape den of terror over a period of decades.But my understanding is that roided jerk off was reported to the police and university whereas Pedo lion was not.
The rapists at baylor are some jerkoff roided out jocks rage-raping coeds in drunken stupers. I.e., ncaa standard conduct for p5 athletes since 1952, sadly.
Pedo was definitely reported to people at the University far more significant that campus pd
Post by: PurpleOil on November 04, 2016, 07:07:14 AM
Bast-tards will do anything to get back to the way it was; so if bullshit works, then bullshit it will be.
Exactly. Baylor has consistently shown that they plan to only do the bare minimum, if that, as they deal with this scandal. They deserve the death penalty more than SMU or Penn State ever did.
Post by: KSUBrian on November 04, 2016, 08:19:04 AM
Bast-tards will do anything to get back to the way it was; so if bullshit works, then bullshit it will be.
Exactly. Baylor has consistently shown that they plan to only do the bare minimum, if that, as they deal with this scandal. They deserve the death penalty more than SMU or Penn State ever did.
Even though deserved, NCAA does not have the sack to do death penalty. NCAA penalty should be three year bowl ban and loss of a scholly for each reported incident for 3 years. B12 penalty GTFO of conference.
Post by: deputy dawg on November 09, 2016, 08:18:13 AM
:sdeek:
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Post by: pissclams on November 11, 2016, 08:24:27 AM
http://deadspin.com/report-baylor-also-involved-in-run-of-the-mill-recruit-1788845728
meanwhile the b12 sits idly by and does nothing. as someone else pointed out earlier, our conference is complicit in this bullshit and it's embarrassing.
Post by: Joker on December 08, 2016, 08:06:28 PM
"Some people think themselves above the law, but the laws of Texas establish accountability for everyone, even renegade, self-dealing regents of a Christian university," Briles' lawsuit states.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18238961/art-briles-sues-baylor-officials-libel-conspiracy (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18238961/art-briles-sues-baylor-officials-libel-conspiracy)
Post by: Pete on December 08, 2016, 08:19:19 PM
Art is going down swinging. Maybe flailing is a better word.
"Some people think themselves above the law, but the laws of Texas establish accountability for everyone, even renegade, self-dealing regents of a Christian university," Briles' lawsuit states.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18238961/art-briles-sues-baylor-officials-libel-conspiracy (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18238961/art-briles-sues-baylor-officials-libel-conspiracy)
"Laws of Texas." What a douche bag.
Post by: Missouriscribe on December 08, 2016, 08:36:44 PM
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Post by: Pete on December 08, 2016, 09:24:00 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2016, 09:39:56 PM
OMG Briles was absolutely adorable on Highly Questionable today :love:
LHOFCBS was on Highly Questionable on Tuesday, you know what his appearance was? It was absolutely adorable :love:
Post by: kso_FAN on December 08, 2016, 09:47:07 PM
OMG Briles was absolutely adorable on Highly Questionable today :love:
LHOFCBS was on Highly Questionable on Tuesday, you know what his appearance was? It was absolutely adorable :love:
Link?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2016, 11:48:16 PM
OMG Briles was absolutely adorable on Highly Questionable today :love:
LHOFCBS was on Highly Questionable on Tuesday, you know what his appearance was? It was absolutely adorable :love:
Link?
Unfortunately not. ESPN does not put reairs or clips of those afternoon shows online.
He told a story about his parents splitting when he was six and they had to move to St. Joe, and live in a studio apartment downtown so that his mom could walk to work. He also told a story about his dad buying him some sweet yellow convertible, don't remember the year or model but it was from the 40's, HQ had a photo of it. Anyway, he went to his dad's in Omaha over the summer to get the car but when Bill went back to St. Joe he was staying out late with the car so his mother told his father to get the car picked up or she would drive it in the Mizzourah River. He didn't have another car until a few years later when he was working at a used car lot his grandfather owned. He worked to make money to buy a car, but instead of a sweet convertible he got a jalopy for $52, yep that's $52 no typo. Papi asked him what the most romantic thing he's ever done for Sharon, he had no answer. Bomani said it was winning the 2003 Big 12 Championship, Bill said "well I hope it's gone beyond that." The interview ended with Bill apologizing for being boring, they all laughed and said he was great.
Post by: Spracne on December 09, 2016, 12:11:42 AM
Art is going down swinging. Maybe flailing is a better word.
"Some people think themselves above the law, but the laws of Texas establish accountability for everyone, even renegade, self-dealing regents of a Christian university," Briles' lawsuit states.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18238961/art-briles-sues-baylor-officials-libel-conspiracy (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18238961/art-briles-sues-baylor-officials-libel-conspiracy)
"Laws of Texas." What a douche bag.
We do have laws, and the lawsuit was filed in Texas state court and alleges violations of Texas law, so...
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2016, 12:44:13 AM
Post by: Spracne on December 09, 2016, 01:27:49 AM
Hey look everyone, its Captain Well Actually...
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Post by: kso_FAN on December 09, 2016, 07:17:35 AM
Go to about 8:45.
Post by: ednksu on December 09, 2016, 07:22:18 AM
Oh man! http://www.espn.com/espnradio/podcast/feeds/itunes/podCast?id=6962629I was just about to post this! Good find.
Go to about 8:45.
link off itnues
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18222496
Post by: POWL on December 09, 2016, 07:37:16 AM
i feel awkward just listening to that.........think i'll take a shower to wash away the guiltOh man! http://www.espn.com/espnradio/podcast/feeds/itunes/podCast?id=6962629I was just about to post this! Good find.
Go to about 8:45.
link off itnues
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18222496
Post by: Joker on December 09, 2016, 08:39:49 AM
OMG Briles was absolutely adorable on Highly Questionable today :love:
LHOFCBS was on Highly Questionable on Tuesday, you know what his appearance was? It was absolutely adorable :love:
Link?
Unfortunately not. ESPN does not put reairs or clips of those afternoon shows online.
He told a story about his parents splitting when he was six and they had to move to St. Joe, and live in a studio apartment downtown so that his mom could walk to work. He also told a story about his dad buying him some sweet yellow convertible, don't remember the year or model but it was from the 40's, HQ had a photo of it. Anyway, he went to his dad's in Omaha over the summer to get the car but when Bill went back to St. Joe he was staying out late with the car so his mother told his father to get the car picked up or she would drive it in the Mizzourah River. He didn't have another car until a few years later when he was working at a used car lot his grandfather owned. He worked to make money to buy a car, but instead of a sweet convertible he got a jalopy for $52, yep that's $52 no typo. Papi asked him what the most romantic thing he's ever done for Sharon, he had no answer. Bomani said it was winning the 2003 Big 12 Championship, Bill said "well I hope it's gone beyond that." The interview ended with Bill apologizing for being boring, they all laughed and said he was great.
Bill should try this appearing human stuff more often. Although, I suppose the rarity is what makes it so interesting.
Would love to see him back in the yellow convertible with the top down doing 37 in a 30.
Post by: CNS on December 09, 2016, 08:41:30 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2016, 09:19:17 AM
Surprised he didn't have to ask "Sharon who?"
Papi said "your wife"
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2016, 09:22:05 AM
i feel awkward just listening to that.........think i'll take a shower to wash away the guiltOh man! http://www.espn.com/espnradio/podcast/feeds/itunes/podCast?id=6962629I was just about to post this! Good find.
Go to about 8:45.
link off itnues
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18222496
What's your problem?
Post by: CNS on December 09, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
Surprised he didn't have to ask "Sharon who?"
Papi said "your wife"
Pro assist on his part.
Post by: That_Guy on December 09, 2016, 11:59:39 AM
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Highly Questionable is the absolute worst.
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It's certainly no spongebob
Post by: Pete on December 09, 2016, 12:39:39 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2016, 12:53:47 PM
Here is what needs to happen. LHCBS needs to sit down with Art Briles and have a deep, personal conversation. Then, LHCBS needs to find it in his heart to have the compassion and courage to give Art Briles another shot, at Kansas State University. Then, Bill needs to vouch for Art Briles, we need to hire him, and then, together, we need to go win eff loads of football games. The End.
It's reasonable to assume that Art is going to have a little trouble recruiting, especially in this part of the country. He needs to go coach a fcs school away from the plains region.
Post by: Gooch on December 09, 2016, 02:04:55 PM
Highly Questionable is the absolute worst.You shut your god damn mouth!
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Post by: scottwildcat on December 09, 2016, 02:09:48 PM
Highly Questionable is the absolute worst.God, you're the worst.
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Highly Questionable is the absolute worst.God, you're the worst.
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I beg to differ.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 22, 2016, 02:21:24 PM
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/812029761954414592
Post by: Katpappy on December 22, 2016, 07:10:50 PM
TIA
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 22, 2016, 09:37:56 PM
Wow! This guy ran a school.
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/812029761954414592
OMG
Sad
Post by: MakeItRain on December 28, 2016, 12:21:53 AM
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Post by: That_Guy on December 28, 2016, 04:16:40 AM
I completely forgot, until the announcers just mentioned it, that Kendall is joining Kiffin. FAU may end up with the death penalty.
SMU style? Would be fun to watch.
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Post by: Gooch on December 28, 2016, 09:36:30 AM
I completely forgot, until the announcers just mentioned it, that Kendall is joining Kiffin. FAU may end up with the death penalty.I am so happy that rape enabling finger taping dork is taking his ass up out of this conference.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 28, 2016, 01:40:45 PM
I completely forgot, until the announcers just mentioned it, that Kendall is joining Kiffin. FAU may end up with the death penalty.I am so happy that rape enabling finger taping dork is taking his ass up out of this conference.
his wife sarah was in mhk a few weeks back. I talked w/ her some at b&b. forgot to tell everyone. this just reminded me.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 28, 2016, 02:01:03 PM
I completely forgot, until the announcers just mentioned it, that Kendall is joining Kiffin. FAU may end up with the death penalty.I am so happy that rape enabling finger taping dork is taking his ass up out of this conference.
his wife sarah was in mhk a few weeks back. I talked w/ her some at b&b. forgot to tell everyone. this just reminded me.
Next time you see Sarah please ask her why her husband is walking around with tape on his fingers. Does he moonlight as a minor league catcher?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 28, 2016, 02:07:34 PM
I completely forgot, until the announcers just mentioned it, that Kendall is joining Kiffin. FAU may end up with the death penalty.I am so happy that rape enabling finger taping dork is taking his ass up out of this conference.
his wife sarah was in mhk a few weeks back. I talked w/ her some at b&b. forgot to tell everyone. this just reminded me.
Next time you see Sarah please ask her why her husband is walking around with tape on his fingers. Does he moonlight as a minor league catcher?
will do. I put my odds of ever talking to her again around 50% so there is a chance this actually might happen.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 28, 2016, 02:13:36 PM
I completely forgot, until the announcers just mentioned it, that Kendall is joining Kiffin. FAU may end up with the death penalty.I am so happy that rape enabling finger taping dork is taking his ass up out of this conference.
his wife sarah was in mhk a few weeks back. I talked w/ her some at b&b. forgot to tell everyone. this just reminded me.
Next time you see Sarah please ask her why her husband is walking around with tape on his fingers. Does he moonlight as a minor league catcher?
will do. I put my odds of ever talking to her again around 50% so there is a chance this actually might happen.
:emawkid:
Post by: Skipper44 on January 03, 2017, 09:03:25 AM
i bet she has great Chip & JoAnna storiesI completely forgot, until the announcers just mentioned it, that Kendall is joining Kiffin. FAU may end up with the death penalty.I am so happy that rape enabling finger taping dork is taking his ass up out of this conference.
his wife sarah was in mhk a few weeks back. I talked w/ her some at b&b. forgot to tell everyone. this just reminded me.
Next time you see Sarah please ask her why her husband is walking around with tape on his fingers. Does he moonlight as a minor league catcher?
will do. I put my odds of ever talking to her again around 50% so there is a chance this actually might happen.
Post by: deputy dawg on January 24, 2017, 12:33:10 PM
http://247sports.com/Article/In-coaching-purgatory-ADs-say-Art-Briles-still-too-risky-to-hire-50771747?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=college-football
Post by: pissclams on January 24, 2017, 02:00:37 PM
An interesting discussion of Briles' situation and what it would take for a program to hire him:
http://247sports.com/Article/In-coaching-purgatory-ADs-say-Art-Briles-still-too-risky-to-hire-50771747?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=college-football
the guy hasn't even publicly accepted responsibility for his role in whole thing, so i guess what i'm saying is he can eat a hot bag of dicks
Post by: star seed 7 on January 24, 2017, 02:02:32 PM
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Post by: CHONGS on January 24, 2017, 03:15:26 PM
Oh man thats a tagline for a movie
Post by: CatsNShocks on January 24, 2017, 03:30:28 PM
An interesting discussion of Briles' situation and what it would take for a program to hire him:
http://247sports.com/Article/In-coaching-purgatory-ADs-say-Art-Briles-still-too-risky-to-hire-50771747?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=college-football
the guy hasn't even publicly accepted responsibility for his role in whole thing, so i guess what i'm saying is he can eat a hot bag of dicks
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Step 3: To hire Briles, it would likely take someone with an incredible amount of political capital in his job.
“I’m not even sure if someone other than (Nick) Saban or Urban (Meyer) could do it,” the source said.
Not saying he would or should, but Snyder has that type of political capital.
Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2017, 05:47:01 PM
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Post by: deputy dawg on January 25, 2017, 08:10:33 AM
Snyder would have to murder Currie and institute martial law if he wanted Briles to be the Cats next head coach.
Could you overcome the revulsion of the events at Baylor to get a coaching edge from Briles? I don't think Snyder could. Damn, for a minute there, I was looking the Currie murder and martial law as a source of entertainment.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 25, 2017, 08:34:11 AM
Post by: MadCat on January 25, 2017, 10:01:58 AM
microwave them first
Hot and cold dicks
Post by: Skipper44 on January 25, 2017, 11:00:37 AM
so, mixed dicks?microwave them first
Hot and cold dicks
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 27, 2017, 04:58:09 PM
the trainer got free college in return for being quiet about being raped :sdeek:Holy eff!
Post by: ChiComCat on January 27, 2017, 04:58:25 PM
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Former assistant coach Kendal Briles -- the son of the head coach -- once told a Dallas area student athlete, "Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at Baylor and they love football players," according to the suit.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 27, 2017, 06:32:33 PM
http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=319981
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Post by: WildcatPower on January 27, 2017, 09:57:52 PM
I cannot , for the life of me, have any possibilities that the Big 12 is not going to do something about this. This is just bad PR for them.
Surely, there has to be a bylaw somewhere that a institutional can be kicked out for gross negligence.
Post by: steve dave on January 27, 2017, 10:08:22 PM
Post by: Spracne on January 27, 2017, 10:37:18 PM
Baylor doesn't belong with the rest and that wouldn't change for a significant period of time, meaning years, if not decades.
If you don't have the pedigree, you aren't welcome, and those at the table aren't willing to share.
That's all this is about and ever has been.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 27, 2017, 10:53:51 PM
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This is a sad situation on many fronts. You have women who were victimized. That's awful. You have women who made bad choices and regretted them, equally awful. You have men who treated women badly and took something they weren't entitled to. Awful. You have a new president that will repeal much of the overreach of Title IX.. Think of that what you will. This I know. Baylor is a great, but imperfect institution. The events of the past few months will make her better. The recognition on campus of the problem of violence against women is a good thing. The crazy overreach of the DOE is bad and will be repealed. We made a great hire and I'm confident the days ahead will make us proud of our players. There will be some who err. They will be dealt with. We'll win as a football team, and as a university.
Post by: Pete on January 28, 2017, 07:10:27 AM
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This is a sad situation on many fronts. You have women who were victimized. That's awful. You have women who made bad choices and regretted them, equally awful. You have men who treated women badly and took something they weren't entitled to. Awful. You have a new president that will repeal much of the overreach of Title IX.. Think of that what you will. This I know. Baylor is a great, but imperfect institution. The events of the past few months will make her better. The recognition on campus of the problem of violence against women is a good thing. The crazy overreach of the DOE is bad and will be repealed. We made a great hire and I'm confident the days ahead will make us proud of our players. There will be some who err. They will be dealt with. We'll win as a football team, and as a university.
My bet, is that those Baylor fans are right, that jack crap is going to to happen to them. This is the absolute perfect time in America in the last 50 years to be a piece of crap and prosper.
Post by: Joker on January 28, 2017, 07:40:56 AM
I mean, you can put whatever you want in a lawsuit though. to play devils advocate, everyone is acting like the allegations are the facts. they are just maybe the facts.
This is an important point.
Post by: ChiComCat on January 28, 2017, 07:57:50 AM
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My brain is fried with this mess. The timing of these articles seems like an obvious attempt to wreck our recruiting class with unproven allegations to shock our commits. I don't believe that God cares who wins football games, but He does care about people. I'm praying for our new coaching staff as they do their best to combat these attacks.
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Post by: Pete on January 28, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 29, 2017, 12:38:01 AM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 29, 2017, 08:44:39 AM
I mean, you can put whatever you want in a lawsuit though. to play devils advocate, everyone is acting like the allegations are the facts. they are just maybe the facts.
This is an important point.
Putting things in a lawsuit that aren't true is a good way to get suspended and sanctioned, tho.
Post by: _33 on January 30, 2017, 09:35:27 AM
Post by: MadCat on January 30, 2017, 12:02:09 PM
Hopefully they have to negate all of their 2012 wins and then we can hang a national championship banner.I wish we had won the bowl game in that case... :frown:
Post by: RickRampus on February 02, 2017, 09:18:36 PM
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Post by: manpow5 on February 02, 2017, 10:41:45 PM
Post by: WildcatPower on February 02, 2017, 10:58:54 PM
How can you guys think the NCAA believes that raping women is worse than raping kids? If they do anything, it will be a slap on the wrist compared to what Penn State got.
52 alleged rapes. Coaches covering up. Administration covering it up.
This reeks worse than SMU's slush fund.
I don't know about you, but this situation is a full blown lack of institutional control.
Post by: WildcatPower on February 02, 2017, 11:00:28 PM
Unfortunately, I hate saying it in despise of NCAA & Baylor, but you're probably right. They only care about making money and not the integrity of the game or the students.
This is a perfect example of the NCAA (or the Big 12 for that matter) to intervene and drop the hammer on them and say "Hey, this $*!% is getting old quick. Give us that Pepper Hamilton report (in full, no redacted's), cease the posturing and hypocritical Mickey Mouse BS, and get your Title IX in order, or we'll just go to a different direction due to the sheer egregiousness of the misconducts that was/is occurring." And make it stick this time without any rescinds.
If Baylor still thinks they're untouchable (based on the way they're acting currently, other than throwing some guys under the bus), then just put the death penalty, "unequivocally", on the table as one of the sanctions. I'm not sure you could call Baylor's corrective actions "swift" or applied correctly/fairly to have the death penalty off the table at this point.
I been calling it for a while. This is a big problem that the Big XII and the NCAA cannot ignore now.
Post by: ednksu on February 03, 2017, 12:56:04 AM
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This is a sad situation on many fronts. You have women who were victimized. That's awful. You have women who made bad choices and regretted them, equally awful. You have men who treated women badly and took something they weren't entitled to. Awful. You have a new president that will repeal much of the overreach of Title IX.. Think of that what you will. This I know. Baylor is a great, but imperfect institution. The events of the past few months will make her better. The recognition on campus of the problem of violence against women is a good thing. The crazy overreach of the DOE is bad and will be repealed. We made a great hire and I'm confident the days ahead will make us proud of our players. There will be some who err. They will be dealt with. We'll win as a football team, and as a university.
Just reread this. Didnt mention it earlier, but the idea of being "entitled" to sex in a relationship is disturbing. I wonder how much marital rape is happening in the Baylor alum community.
Post by: POWL on February 03, 2017, 07:37:54 AM
My guess is they are trying to draw a line from the sacrament of marriage, which includes the phrase "self giving" to imply the entitled to sex thing ..........it is a weak argument, IMOQuote
This is a sad situation on many fronts. You have women who were victimized. That's awful. You have women who made bad choices and regretted them, equally awful. You have men who treated women badly and took something they weren't entitled to. Awful. You have a new president that will repeal much of the overreach of Title IX.. Think of that what you will. This I know. Baylor is a great, but imperfect institution. The events of the past few months will make her better. The recognition on campus of the problem of violence against women is a good thing. The crazy overreach of the DOE is bad and will be repealed. We made a great hire and I'm confident the days ahead will make us proud of our players. There will be some who err. They will be dealt with. We'll win as a football team, and as a university.
Just reread this. Didnt mention it earlier, but the idea of being "entitled" to sex in a relationship is disturbing. I wonder how much marital rape is happening in the Baylor alum community.
Post by: deputy dawg on February 03, 2017, 08:20:01 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/big12/2017/02/02/baylor-sexual-assault-scandal-art-briles/97428036/
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Briles and his staff "created a disciplinary black hole into which reports of misconduct such as drug use, physical assault, domestic violence, brandishing of guns, indecent exposure and academic fraud disappeared."
Does that put the finishing touch on the unhireability of Briles? Knowing about it and doing nothing is bad enough, but concealment could put Briles personally at risk for civil litigation.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 03, 2017, 10:15:47 AM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 03, 2017, 10:28:29 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 03, 2017, 12:40:23 PM
Of course I could
Post by: catastrophe on February 03, 2017, 01:52:54 PM
Post by: Big Sam on February 03, 2017, 02:02:40 PM
Briles will never get a division 1 head coaching job again.
Technically true.
However, if this had happened with him at another school and not Baylor, and he were to be applying to Baylor without it ever having happened there, my guess is he could have got hired there. Maybe.
With the mindset they had about issues. Not sure what it would have taken for a red flag or two to be raised to keep them from chasing that football glory dream.
Post by: manpow5 on February 03, 2017, 04:12:08 PM
So I guess Briles filed a libel suit and then quickly dismissed it right before the text messages came out?
Not sure when he put the suit out, but he pulled it as soon as he found out about the text messages. At least that is my understanding. Him pulling the libel suit just tells everyone that he definitely knew and he knows he's screwed. Kind of incriminated himself to the public by pulling it.
Post by: ChiComCat on February 03, 2017, 04:19:58 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on February 03, 2017, 06:11:55 PM
Not only is he a piece of crap who did all of it, but he is a piece of crap who would rather lie his ass off than even pretend to be contrite.
Lance Armstrong but with covering up other's rapes and assaults.
Post by: TheHamburglar on February 03, 2017, 06:15:50 PM
So I guess Briles filed a libel suit and then quickly dismissed it right before the text messages came out?
Not sure when he put the suit out, but he pulled it as soon as he found out about the text messages. At least that is my understanding. Him pulling the libel suit just tells everyone that he definitely knew and he knows he's screwed. Kind of incriminated himself to the public by pulling it.
Could this have quickly gotten into level of frivolous where the defendants could have counter-sued Briles for their legal fees? Is that a thing?
Post by: KST8FAN on February 06, 2017, 10:16:26 PM
Tom
Post by: pissclams on February 07, 2017, 07:43:46 AM
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/baylor-strength-coach-arrested-on-prostitution-charge/article_4388ab9e-daf5-5704-b83d-f61a1e7740c3.html (http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/baylor-strength-coach-arrested-on-prostitution-charge/article_4388ab9e-daf5-5704-b83d-f61a1e7740c3.html)
Tom
at the very least he should be commended for trying to pay for it, that's a big step forward for baylor FB
Post by: Big Sam on February 07, 2017, 08:41:54 AM
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/baylor-strength-coach-arrested-on-prostitution-charge/article_4388ab9e-daf5-5704-b83d-f61a1e7740c3.html (http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/baylor-strength-coach-arrested-on-prostitution-charge/article_4388ab9e-daf5-5704-b83d-f61a1e7740c3.html)
Tom
at the very least he should be commended for trying to pay for it, that's a big step forward for baylor FB
So, just to be straight, at Baylor, you can rape a girl and not be charged with a crime. You try to hire a prostitute and are charged with a crime.
So, what happens if you actually have consensual sex without money changing hands?
Post by: pissclams on February 07, 2017, 08:54:26 AM
So, what happens if you actually have consensual sex without money changing hands?
baptists don't allow that
Post by: deputy dawg on February 07, 2017, 09:51:19 AM
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/baylor-strength-coach-arrested-on-prostitution-charge/article_4388ab9e-daf5-5704-b83d-f61a1e7740c3.html (http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/baylor-strength-coach-arrested-on-prostitution-charge/article_4388ab9e-daf5-5704-b83d-f61a1e7740c3.html)
Tom
You keep thinking we've heard all the dirt there is about Baylor, and they keep producing more.
Post by: Steffy08 on February 07, 2017, 10:07:37 AM
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/baylor-strength-coach-arrested-on-prostitution-charge/article_4388ab9e-daf5-5704-b83d-f61a1e7740c3.html (http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/baylor-strength-coach-arrested-on-prostitution-charge/article_4388ab9e-daf5-5704-b83d-f61a1e7740c3.html)
Tom
You keep thinking we've heard all the dirt there is about Baylor, and they keep producing more.
There is plenty more. We haven't even touched the steroid abuse and have just hit the tip of the iceberg on dirty recruiting.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 07, 2017, 10:18:14 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on February 07, 2017, 10:42:31 AM
Nobody cares about steroids and dirty recruiting, jfc.
Nobody? Not even the NCAA?
Post by: ew2x4 on February 07, 2017, 10:48:47 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 07, 2017, 10:53:21 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 07, 2017, 10:58:04 AM
Post by: Big Sam on February 07, 2017, 12:51:41 PM
So, what happens if you actually have consensual sex without money changing hands?
baptists don't allow that
My bad. Forgot about the whole "baptist" thing.
Post by: AbeFroman on February 07, 2017, 01:16:09 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2017, 01:18:59 PM
I think it's pretty fitting dax started this thread. :flush:
Dates are your friend Abe. Context and dates, give it a try sometime.
I will say though, friend. You are tremendously butthurt lately, friend.
Post by: AbeFroman on February 07, 2017, 01:25:35 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 07, 2017, 01:29:30 PM
Hindisght is a big part of this, but kinda shows how well you are at reading people. Nobody expected 50+ rape coverups but in 2013 it was hard not to think there was something going on that would eventually come out.
In 2013, it was easy to imagine something like recruiting violations. It is easy to imagine recruiting violations at every highly successful football program, really. I don't think anyone believed there was some sort of massive coverup involving the university and the Waco PD to keep Baylor football winning, though.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2017, 01:30:10 PM
Hindisght is a big part of this, but kinda shows how well you are at reading people. Nobody expected 50+ rape coverups but in 2013 it was hard not to think there was something going on that would eventually come out.
Ah, Abe lots of people thought there was "something going on" at K-State during Snyder 1.0 (and on some levels they were right, lots of MCMW, but outside of one incident, nothing on the level of Baylor, and no real cover-ups because K-State got a lot of immediate ridicule on several issues).
So yeah: Hindsight
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 07, 2017, 01:34:22 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 07, 2017, 01:55:02 PM
Post by: MadCat on February 07, 2017, 02:07:30 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on February 07, 2017, 03:07:15 PM
You guys think the rapes and assaults are bad? Well, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Turns out players were doing roids and getting cash from boosters, too.
Man you are stupid. Nobody said that roids and cash are as bad as rapes and assaults. I just said there is more dirt to come. Cash and roids definitely qualify as "dirt."
Post by: Steffy08 on February 07, 2017, 03:10:18 PM
hey Steffy and I are just showing off at this point
I know. Now it is "Well, hell, everybody probably saw this coming in 2013."
No, everybody didn't. Just Stone and I. In 2013 everybody was talking like "I wish we had Briles" and "damn those uniforms are so sick"
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 07, 2017, 03:22:53 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2017, 04:47:38 PM
Little insider tip: Everybody is "up to something" (but probably not colluding with administration and local police to cover up rape . . . well, maybe one school is, but . . . ).
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2017, 03:17:35 AM
hey Steffy and I are just showing off at this point
Maybe you can but steffy has been talking about steroids and recruiting violations for three years. Pretty safe to assume that there were recruiting violations given hostesses were encouraged to bone 'cruits. But was anyone actually giving push back to the thought of Baylor being dirty?
Post by: EMAWican on February 08, 2017, 09:54:03 AM
https://twitter.com/Big12Conference/status/829344148620791808
Post by: deputy dawg on February 08, 2017, 10:05:31 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2017, 10:15:50 AM
Would it be plausible that Baylor withdrew from the conference? I know they're not at the Nebraska or KU level of delusional self-importance, but they're damn close.
No, they would have to find another conference that wants them first.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2017, 10:18:37 AM
I also can't believe how many of you are seriously discussing three conference kicking Baylor out. I what way does that benefit the conference at all?
Post by: Pete on February 08, 2017, 10:25:18 AM
No one in power really gives a crap about the crimes and ethical implications. This is just about "appropriate public response."
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2017, 10:29:39 AM
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The money will be placed into escrow and eventually returned to Baylor, pending the results of the review.
So they don't really lose anything, then?
Post by: pissclams on February 08, 2017, 10:30:24 AM
What the hell do you mean by "that's it?" This was unprecedented action taken no only by the Big 12 but any major conference.
I also can't believe how many of you are seriously discussing three conference kicking Baylor out. I what way does that benefit the conference at all?
does it benefit the b12 financially by punishing baylor? meh, the b12 will be just fine without their lying and cheating asses. we can find any number of schools who can succeed when ignoring criminal and ncaa bylaws
booting them would show that the conference takes pride in its member institutions and doesn't support the illegal (ncaa) actions of its members and when a certain member commits such egregious actions such as have occurred at baylor, that the conference is bigger than one rogue member
doing nothing supports baylor's actions and this 25% revenue thing is a joke
"hey baylor, we know you earned this money by raping and LOIC'ing your ass off so you can't have the money that those actions generated. instead, we will take the money that those actions generated. thanks, brah."
ultimately, it's embarrassing to share a conference with them but this move really cements what's most important
Post by: DQ12 on February 08, 2017, 10:32:18 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2017, 10:32:37 AM
What the hell do you mean by "that's it?" This was unprecedented action taken no only by the Big 12 but any major conference.
I also can't believe how many of you are seriously discussing three conference kicking Baylor out. I what way does that benefit the conference at all?
does it benefit the b12 financially by punishing baylor? meh, the b12 will be just fine without their lying and cheating asses. we can find any number of schools who can succeed when ignoring criminal and ncaa bylaws
booting them would show that the conference takes pride in its member institutions and doesn't support the illegal (ncaa) actions of its members and when a certain member commits such egregious actions such as have occurred at baylor, that the conference is bigger than one rogue member
doing nothing supports baylor's actions and this 25% revenue thing is a joke
"hey baylor, we know you earned this money by raping and LOIC'ing your ass off so you can't have the money that those actions generated. instead, we will take the money that those actions generated. thanks, brah."
"Only until you implement Title IX like everyone else did back in 1972, though. Then we'll give you the money back."
Post by: pissclams on February 08, 2017, 10:34:17 AM
kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point. doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.
that's only if you're of the incorrect belief that there were a few parties involved with this and that they've been weeded out
the things that they're accused of don't happen without complicit involvement at all levels of the university
Post by: DQ12 on February 08, 2017, 10:37:10 AM
well then *crazy thought, so stay with me here*, a third party investigation occurs to determine who was involved and who was not and punish those responsible.kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point. doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.
that's only if you're of the incorrect belief that there were a few parties involved with this and that they've been weeded out
the things that they're accused of don't happen without complicit involvement at all levels of the university
:surprised:
or, you know, the conference could make a ham-handed, reactionary decision that would ultimately be detrimental to itself. that's worked well in the past.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2017, 10:38:13 AM
Post by: DQ12 on February 08, 2017, 10:46:00 AM
I don't think kicking Baylor out of the Big 12 would hurt us in any way. There is no shortage of programs on Baylor's level that would be willing to join the Big 12.Yep. No shortage of programs with 4 top 15 finishes and a Heisman winner in the last 5 seasons. Can't walk 5 feet without tripping over a program like that willing to join the Big 12.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2017, 10:47:43 AM
I don't think kicking Baylor out of the Big 12 would hurt us in any way. There is no shortage of programs on Baylor's level that would be willing to join the Big 12.Yep. No shortage of programs with 4 top 15 finishes and a Heisman winner in the last 5 seasons. Can't walk 5 feet without tripping over a program like that willing to join the Big 12.
Briles is gone and Baylor supposedly has cleaned up their act. They will be better than they were before Briles (couldn't be worse), but they won't be competitive in the Big 12 for a long time.
Post by: EMAWican on February 08, 2017, 10:52:32 AM
What the hell do you mean by "that's it?" This was unprecedented action taken no only by the Big 12 but any major conference.
I also can't believe how many of you are seriously discussing three conference kicking Baylor out. I what way does that benefit the conference at all?
The Big 12 has now set the precedent and it's weak and borderline meaningless.
Post by: DQ12 on February 08, 2017, 10:56:46 AM
They have a legitimate head coach and a good recruiting class. They'll be competitive.I don't think kicking Baylor out of the Big 12 would hurt us in any way. There is no shortage of programs on Baylor's level that would be willing to join the Big 12.Yep. No shortage of programs with 4 top 15 finishes and a Heisman winner in the last 5 seasons. Can't walk 5 feet without tripping over a program like that willing to join the Big 12.
Briles is gone and Baylor supposedly has cleaned up their act. They will be better than they were before Briles (couldn't be worse), but they won't be competitive in the Big 12 for a long time.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2017, 11:00:22 AM
They have a legitimate head coach and a good recruiting class. They'll be competitive.I don't think kicking Baylor out of the Big 12 would hurt us in any way. There is no shortage of programs on Baylor's level that would be willing to join the Big 12.Yep. No shortage of programs with 4 top 15 finishes and a Heisman winner in the last 5 seasons. Can't walk 5 feet without tripping over a program like that willing to join the Big 12.
Briles is gone and Baylor supposedly has cleaned up their act. They will be better than they were before Briles (couldn't be worse), but they won't be competitive in the Big 12 for a long time.
We will see. I don't see them in the top 5 of the Big 12.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2017, 11:11:05 AM
kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point. doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.
Exactly. Baylor would also sue the crap out of the conference given that entity has no grounds for kicking them out for what is alleged here.
'clams rightly points out that the problem is a university problem but then calls for an athletic entity to deal with it, that makes no sense. Frankly the State of Texas, federal government, or some other body that governs or licenses the university should be stepping in here.
Post by: DQ12 on February 08, 2017, 11:14:17 AM
I agree. It doesn't make any sense for the conference to do anything. But this conditional "punishment" is par for the course when it comes to Big 12 leadership deciding on whether or not to act.kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point. doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.
Exactly. Baylor would also sue the crap out of the conference given that entity has no grounds for kicking them out for what is alleged here.
'clams rightly points out that the problem is a university problem but then calls for an athletic entity to deal with it, that makes no sense. Frankly the State of Texas, federal government, or some other body that governs or licenses the university should be stepping in here.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2017, 11:18:27 AM
kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point. doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.
Exactly. Baylor would also sue the crap out of the conference given that entity has no grounds for kicking them out for what is alleged here.
'clams rightly points out that the problem is a university problem but then calls for an athletic entity to deal with it, that makes no sense. Frankly the State of Texas, federal government, or some other body that governs or licenses the university should be stepping in here.
I think losing a lawsuit to Baylor would be worth it to be rid of them. I really don't like my alma mater being associated with them.
Post by: pissclams on February 08, 2017, 11:22:42 AM
I don't think kicking Baylor out of the Big 12 would hurt us in any way. There is no shortage of programs on Baylor's level that would be willing to join the Big 12.Yep. No shortage of programs with 4 top 15 finishes and a Heisman winner in the last 5 seasons. Can't walk 5 feet without tripping over a program like that willing to join the Big 12.
easy to do when you cheat your ass off and institute rape city usa rules
Post by: star seed 7 on February 08, 2017, 11:33:34 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2017, 11:36:40 AM
Of course knowing Baylor, they'll just violate all that as well.
They're a rogue athletic program, a total throwback to the old SWC days. All major schools use athletics to pump up their enrollment, applications etc. etc. But this is clearly a case of a private school letting athletics run wild to pump up the enrollment of a school that costs $52K a year to attend.
Post by: pissclams on February 08, 2017, 11:37:49 AM
kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point. doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.
Exactly. Baylor would also sue the crap out of the conference given that entity has no grounds for kicking them out for what is alleged here.
'clams rightly points out that the problem is a university problem but then calls for an athletic entity to deal with it, that makes no sense. Frankly the State of Texas, federal government, or some other body that governs or licenses the university should be stepping in here.
the university benefits from the athletic department's actions both positively and negatively
kicking baylor out of the big 12 does more than punish the athletic department, it would severely cripple that cesspool of a school and that's appropriate punishment for what they've allowed to go on down there imo
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2017, 12:19:11 PM
kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point. doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.
Exactly. Baylor would also sue the crap out of the conference given that entity has no grounds for kicking them out for what is alleged here.
'clams rightly points out that the problem is a university problem but then calls for an athletic entity to deal with it, that makes no sense. Frankly the State of Texas, federal government, or some other body that governs or licenses the university should be stepping in here.
I think losing a lawsuit to Baylor would be worth it to be rid of them. I really don't like my alma mater being associated with them.
I'm going to assume that you're using hyperbole here. The conference losing money equates to the member institutions losing money. No one associates Baylor with Kansas State just as no one in the world thinks about the Big 10 or Illinois when you hear the name Jerry Sandusky.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2017, 12:24:48 PM
kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point. doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.
Exactly. Baylor would also sue the crap out of the conference given that entity has no grounds for kicking them out for what is alleged here.
'clams rightly points out that the problem is a university problem but then calls for an athletic entity to deal with it, that makes no sense. Frankly the State of Texas, federal government, or some other body that governs or licenses the university should be stepping in here.
the university benefits from the athletic department's actions both positively and negatively
kicking baylor out of the big 12 does more than punish the athletic department, it would severely cripple that cesspool of a school and that's appropriate punishment for what they've allowed to go on down there imo
You're still avoiding the point that the conference shouldn't be the entity that handles this. What you're proposing is akin to a guy in KCMO having an issue with chronic drunk driving then the city commission of KCMO deciding that guy can't drive in Kansas City anymore even though his license hasn't been revoked. That's a stunt.
Post by: catastrophe on February 08, 2017, 12:48:28 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2017, 12:57:02 PM
From what I've seen, I think the most appropriate thing to do would be to charge Briles with being an accessory after the fact to rape.
Also the Waco PD, Ken Starr, any assistant coaches that were complicit, the athletic director, etc.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2017, 01:14:41 PM
From what I've seen, I think the most appropriate thing to do would be to charge Briles with being an accessory after the fact to rape.
Also the Waco PD, Ken Starr, any assistant coaches that were complicit, the athletic director, etc.
I can get behind this but it looks like this runs real deep. Anyone who threatened an accuser with a violation of the honor code should be charged first.
Post by: Steffy08 on February 08, 2017, 02:01:35 PM
Post by: AbeFroman on February 08, 2017, 03:16:47 PM
Post by: pissclams on February 08, 2017, 03:26:09 PM
I don't usually agree with Stephen A. Smith, but he hit the nail on the head yesterday when he said that the most effective punishment would be for parents to stop sending their kids to Baylor.that will happen as soon as the prospective students don't have a team to cheer for
Post by: pissclams on February 08, 2017, 03:32:08 PM
kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point. doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.
Exactly. Baylor would also sue the crap out of the conference given that entity has no grounds for kicking them out for what is alleged here.
'clams rightly points out that the problem is a university problem but then calls for an athletic entity to deal with it, that makes no sense. Frankly the State of Texas, federal government, or some other body that governs or licenses the university should be stepping in here.
the university benefits from the athletic department's actions both positively and negatively
kicking baylor out of the big 12 does more than punish the athletic department, it would severely cripple that cesspool of a school and that's appropriate punishment for what they've allowed to go on down there imo
You're still avoiding the point that the conference shouldn't be the entity that handles this. What you're proposing is akin to a guy in KCMO having an issue with chronic drunk driving then the city commission of KCMO deciding that guy can't drive in Kansas City anymore even though his license hasn't been revoked. That's a stunt.
the conference doesn't have to be the only entity to deal with it but they certainly have the option of being one of the entities to deal with it
i don't like your dui example but if a sales guy at your office who was a real revenue producer for your company continually did things that embarrassed your company and its brand, he would be shown the door
what they've done puts into the question what's important to the b12 and while we all know it's possible to operate within gray areas, this is gross negligence and does make the other schools who define who and what this conference is look bad
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 08, 2017, 04:28:34 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 08, 2017, 04:30:07 PM
I really don't like the standard being set by "oh now you're just punishing those who arent even responsible."Yes. The thought of limiting the punishment to only those responsible. What a frightening standard.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2017, 04:34:08 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 08, 2017, 04:36:02 PM
The school was ultimately responsible.When you say "the school" do you mean, like, the administration? the buildings themselves?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2017, 04:43:16 PM
The school was ultimately responsible.When you say "the school" do you mean, like, the administration? the buildings themselves?
The institution.
Also, it's easy to pretend that everyone responsible is gone, but sadly that is not the case.
https://www.change.org/p/a-call-for-the-resignation-of-bethany-mccraw-and-reagan-ramsower
It's so much more than the football coaching staff, the athletics director, and the university president. Baylor shouldn't have a football program. Penn State shouldn't, either.
Post by: DQ12 on February 08, 2017, 04:49:18 PM
oh okay. the institution. the head coach, athletic director, or university president, aren't "ultimately responsible." rather, the buck stops at "the institution." got it.The school was ultimately responsible.When you say "the school" do you mean, like, the administration? the buildings themselves?
The institution.
Also, it's easy to pretend that everyone responsible is gone, but sadly that is not the case.
https://www.change.org/p/a-call-for-the-resignation-of-bethany-mccraw-and-reagan-ramsower
It's so much more than the football coaching staff, the athletics director, and the university president. Baylor shouldn't have a football program. Penn State shouldn't, either.
Post by: DQ12 on February 08, 2017, 04:53:53 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2017, 04:54:36 PM
oh okay. the institution. the head coach, athletic director, or university president, aren't "ultimately responsible." rather, the buck stops at "the institution." got it.The school was ultimately responsible.When you say "the school" do you mean, like, the administration? the buildings themselves?
The institution.
Also, it's easy to pretend that everyone responsible is gone, but sadly that is not the case.
https://www.change.org/p/a-call-for-the-resignation-of-bethany-mccraw-and-reagan-ramsower
It's so much more than the football coaching staff, the athletics director, and the university president. Baylor shouldn't have a football program. Penn State shouldn't, either.
Yes. That includes all regents, donors, faculty, students, etc. Everything. Anyone who supports the rape-enablers with time and money is in some way complicit.
Post by: TheHamburglar on February 08, 2017, 04:59:50 PM
Those are the people responsible for this that are still a part of the university.
That said, I have a feeling these lawsuits are going to be a pretty big monetary penalty for the university.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2017, 05:01:53 PM
I'd be happy if the Big12 forced Baylor to find the booster that made the "If you mention the mission of the university one time I'm going the puke...I was promised a national championship" comment and force the university to disassociate itself from that person.
They could just kick them out. Then that person would freely disassociate himself from Baylor. All of the people wearing #CAB shirts all year would, too.
Post by: WildcatPower on February 08, 2017, 05:09:33 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2017, 06:12:15 PM
https://twitter.com/ChuckCarltonDMN/status/829357219716136960
Yep, because private schools commingle the eff out of athletic department finances with other crap in the back office.
That's why it's a joke.
Post by: pissclams on February 08, 2017, 06:37:39 PM
https://twitter.com/ChuckCarltonDMN/status/829357219716136960
Yep, because private schools commingle the eff out of athletic department finances with other crap in the back office.
That's why it's a joke.
the sanctions wouldn't materially impact any b12 school
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2017, 06:38:11 PM
https://twitter.com/ChuckCarltonDMN/status/829357219716136960
Yep, because private schools commingle the eff out of athletic department finances with other crap in the back office.
That's why it's a joke.
the sanctions wouldn't materially impact any b12 school
Oh
Post by: MadCat on February 08, 2017, 09:33:33 PM
Post by: Missouriscribe on February 08, 2017, 11:11:20 PM
Post by: Pete on February 09, 2017, 07:35:37 AM
I wonder why the authorities didn't just temporarily fine BTK instead of putting him in prison. I mean, his family, church, neighbors, they were all affected by his punishment and they didn't do anything.
Exactly. Just hold that money off to the side, and if he goes like 6-12 months without any new issues, and attends some counseling, give the money back to him.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 09, 2017, 08:23:17 AM
kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point. doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.
Exactly. Baylor would also sue the crap out of the conference given that entity has no grounds for kicking them out for what is alleged here.
'clams rightly points out that the problem is a university problem but then calls for an athletic entity to deal with it, that makes no sense. Frankly the State of Texas, federal government, or some other body that governs or licenses the university should be stepping in here.
I think losing a lawsuit to Baylor would be worth it to be rid of them. I really don't like my alma mater being associated with them.
I'm going to assume that you're using hyperbole here. The conference losing money equates to the member institutions losing money. No one associates Baylor with Kansas State just as no one in the world thinks about the Big 10 or Illinois when you hear the name Jerry Sandusky.
For me, it's not about what others think or equate. I really don't want to play athletics against Baylor anymore. They are not good enough for us.
Post by: pissclams on February 09, 2017, 08:56:32 AM
that issue was addressed and dealt with which is unlike the baylor situ
Post by: Steffy08 on February 09, 2017, 09:26:59 AM
kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point. doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.
Exactly. Baylor would also sue the crap out of the conference given that entity has no grounds for kicking them out for what is alleged here.
'clams rightly points out that the problem is a university problem but then calls for an athletic entity to deal with it, that makes no sense. Frankly the State of Texas, federal government, or some other body that governs or licenses the university should be stepping in here.
I think losing a lawsuit to Baylor would be worth it to be rid of them. I really don't like my alma mater being associated with them.
I'm going to assume that you're using hyperbole here. The conference losing money equates to the member institutions losing money. No one associates Baylor with Kansas State just as no one in the world thinks about the Big 10 or Illinois when you hear the name Jerry Sandusky.
For me, it's not about what others think or equate. I really don't want to play athletics against Baylor anymore. They are not good enough for us.
This. And, if you sleep with dogs long enough, you will eventually get fleas.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 09, 2017, 09:35:54 AM
not really a good analogy either considering the punishment that was given to penn state
that issue was addressed and dealt with which is unlike the baylor situ
You mean the punishment that was rescinded because the NCAA didn't want to get sued, that punishment? The NCAA had to walk back punishing a university that enabled a chronic child rapist who did his crimes in the football facility. There are university officials facing criminal charges over this and the NCAA couldn't adequately punish them, but you guys want the Big 12 to stick their necks out :lol:
Post by: pissclams on February 09, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
not really a good analogy either considering the punishment that was given to penn state
that issue was addressed and dealt with which is unlike the baylor situ
You mean the punishment that was rescinded because the NCAA didn't want to get sued, that punishment? The NCAA had to walk back punishing a university that enabled a chronic child rapist who did his crimes in the football facility. There are university officials facing criminal charges over this and the NCAA couldn't adequately punish them, but you guys want the Big 12 to stick their necks out :lol:
yes that punishment. at least they acknowledged the rough ridin' problem and addressed it. sure, much of it was rescinded but they were judged and punished which is a million times more than any entity has done to address the situation at baylor.
look- you've gone so far and i know you aren't coming off the ledge on this one but surely you aren't so myopic that you think that penn state would sue the ncaa. because i refuse to believe that you think that, unless it's just a prank you're pulling?
Post by: Big Sam on February 09, 2017, 01:29:25 PM
not really a good analogy either considering the punishment that was given to penn state
that issue was addressed and dealt with which is unlike the baylor situ
You mean the punishment that was rescinded because the NCAA didn't want to get sued .... the NCAA couldn't adequately punish them, but you guys want the Big 12 to stick their necks out :lol:
yes that punishment. at least they acknowledged the rough ridin' problem and addressed it. sure, much of it was rescinded but they were judged and punished which is a million times more than any entity has done to address the situation at baylor.
look- you've gone so far and i know you aren't coming off the ledge on this one but surely you aren't so myopic that you think that penn state would sue the ncaa. because i refuse to believe that you think that, unless it's just a prank you're pulling?
So, the NCAA just walked back the sanctions because they felt it was the "right thing to do?" Not sure where you are coming from on this one. Something had to motivate their action.
In addition, it still stands that the NCAA walked back on PSU. If that is the case, why go bigger as a conference against Baylor. I guess you can believe that BU will take the moral high ground (for once) and not do something utterly slimy (for once) and not sue the livin' crap out of the conference and its member institutions for over-stepping their authority concerning an issue which they have no legal standing to pursue.
I mean, I guess you can believe that about Baylor. However, their past record would indicate rather strongly that it might not be the best route to put your trust in. Sort of like ol' Joe Stalin trusting Hitler over the German-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact. All indications were that Adolf had issues with living up to his word when it came to international agreements, sort of like BU has an issue when it comes to taking responsibility when it comes to the safety and well-being of its non-football playing students.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 09, 2017, 01:31:08 PM
Post by: pissclams on February 09, 2017, 01:39:33 PM
the sanctions weren't reduced because the ncaa was scared of a bullshit lawsuit from one of its members who essentially themselves give the ncaa full reign over
Post by: catastrophe on February 09, 2017, 11:33:59 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 10, 2017, 09:46:52 AM
Post by: Big Sam on February 22, 2017, 03:50:54 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/higher-education/2017/02/21/school-staffcould-fined-jailed-aggressive-push-fight-campus-rape-spurred-baylor-scandal (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/higher-education/2017/02/21/school-staffcould-fined-jailed-aggressive-push-fight-campus-rape-spurred-baylor-scandal)
Post by: MakeItRain on February 25, 2017, 06:55:34 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/baylor-womens-coach-says-parents-concerned-about-sexual-assault-scandal-should-be-knocked-right-in-the-face-002940857.html
Baylor women's coach has strong words for parents concerned about sexual assault scandal
Post by: Steffy08 on February 25, 2017, 07:21:20 PM
:sdeek:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/baylor-womens-coach-says-parents-concerned-about-sexual-assault-scandal-should-be-knocked-right-in-the-face-002940857.html
Baylor women's coach has strong words for parents concerned about sexual assault scandal
It's a cult.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 26, 2017, 09:27:55 AM
Post by: MadCat on February 27, 2017, 09:18:48 AM
Post by: TheHamburglar on February 27, 2017, 09:32:24 AM
Post by: Joker on February 27, 2017, 09:34:38 AM
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“I work here every day. I’m in the know, and I’m tired of hearing it. This is a great institution. The problems we have at Baylor are no different than the problems at any other school in America, period. Move on. Find another story to write.”
Gotta love the "well, everyone else is raping people, too!!" argument.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 27, 2017, 09:44:47 AM
Everyone is mad about her "knock them in the face" comment, but her dismissive "this happens everywhere to the same degree" comment was 100 times worse.
I'm not sure about that. All colleges use the "everyone is doing it" excuse. Good lord every Karl in my office was saying that for the past month about their runaway basketball program. I think her saying you should beat up people who may not want their daughters at rape U is pretty over the top.
Post by: TheHamburglar on February 27, 2017, 10:05:04 AM
Everyone is mad about her "knock them in the face" comment, but her dismissive "this happens everywhere to the same degree" comment was 100 times worse.
I'm not sure about that. All colleges use the "everyone is doing it" excuse. Good lord every Karl in my office was saying that for the past month about their runaway basketball program. I think her saying you should beat up people who may not want their daughters at rape U is pretty over the top.
Her "it's happening everywhere else" comment was pre-meditated and the purpose of her making comments. I think her "knock'em in the face" comment was spur of the moment and nothing more than a "knock some sense into 'em" saying. She didn't really mean punch them. She really did mean and believe this type of stuff happens everywhere and we need to move on. She's saying this when within the last month it's come out a female team coach, and colleague of hers, went up the football coach saying a player of their's reported being sexually assaulted by football players, with a list of player names, and the head FB coach responded with "what was she doing with those guys, those are some bad dudes." It's not so much she said it, it's that she said it in a way she actually believes at most schools if someone in her position reported a sexual assault to another coach, that coach's first reaction would be to ask "why was she with my bad dudes?"
She also played the "I'm a coach here, so I know more than you" card, which also shows she's rough ridin' nuts and brainwashed.
Post by: Missouriscribe on February 27, 2017, 10:34:39 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 27, 2017, 10:37:48 AM
But nobody to my knowledge is having issues of the size, scope and depth of Baylor, with layers of cover up.
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Post by: Steffy08 on February 27, 2017, 04:01:14 PM
Post by: SdK on February 27, 2017, 05:54:59 PM
Post by: WildcatPower on February 27, 2017, 11:17:18 PM
All of what Mulkey said was terrible. The mic drop at the end indicated how tone deaf she is and how f'n weird Baylor people are for thinking that was awesome.
And that's why I been wanting/hoping that the NCAA will drop the hammer on them on something worse than Penn State got. I'm talking about SMU levels type of a hammer.
Baylor's been acting arrogant and acting like they're invincible/untouchable.
Drop.
The.
rough ridin'.
Hammer.
Post by: scottwildcat on February 28, 2017, 06:14:26 AM
Not.All of what Mulkey said was terrible. The mic drop at the end indicated how tone deaf she is and how f'n weird Baylor people are for thinking that was awesome.
And that's why I been wanting/hoping that the NCAA will drop the hammer on them on something worse than Penn State got. I'm talking about SMU levels type of a hammer.
Baylor's been acting arrogant and acting like they're invincible/untouchable.
Drop.
The.
rough ridin'.
Hammer.
Going.
To.
Happen.
Post by: Gooch on February 28, 2017, 07:59:04 AM
Post by: SdK on February 28, 2017, 08:17:43 AM
Post by: Joker on February 28, 2017, 09:49:25 AM
Took me a second to realize it wasn't the baseball team.
Yeah, I had a brief WTF moment on that one.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18783018/lawmaker-asks-texas-rangers-investigate-baylor-sexual-assault-scandal (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18783018/lawmaker-asks-texas-rangers-investigate-baylor-sexual-assault-scandal)
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What has happened here in Waco, what happened at Baylor, is so far different from any university in the state," Gutierrez said.
Mulkey would disagree with Mr. Gutierrez regarding this statement.
Post by: Steffy08 on February 28, 2017, 10:36:45 PM
Post by: SdK on February 28, 2017, 10:50:57 PM
http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18774890/kim-mulkey-baylor-bears-expresses-regret-comment (http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18774890/kim-mulkey-baylor-bears-expresses-regret-comment)
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2017, 03:02:35 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 02, 2017, 03:23:37 PM
:embarrassed: :)
Post by: cfbandyman on March 02, 2017, 04:05:28 PM
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 05:16:04 PM
Also good for her for this press conference.
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 05:16:42 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on March 02, 2017, 10:13:50 PM
And of course that could have been on purpose to make her seem more sincere.
Yeah, ya think.
She's the female version of Briles
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 10:19:02 PM
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Post by: Cire on March 03, 2017, 05:49:11 AM
Also, I will admit the first tweet I saw with the Texas Rangers investigating the Baylor situation I had a thought of "why is the baseball team getting involved with this?"
:embarrassed: :)
Same
Asked myself why that would happen at least twice before realizing
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 03, 2017, 08:13:17 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 03, 2017, 09:48:18 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 03, 2017, 09:49:08 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2017, 12:19:16 PM
And of course that could have been on purpose to make her seem more sincere.
The tears, red eyes, and bags are pretty decent indicators of her sincerity.
Post by: catastrophe on March 03, 2017, 12:37:02 PM
Post by: SdK on March 03, 2017, 12:43:02 PM
It's the first time I've ever seen her without make up. It could have been just that is distraught about all of this or it could have been contrived. Or it could have been vanity and not wanting to be up there and make up streaming. I said good for her for making this press conference happen. But I am cynical about some things. Just making observations. Not accusing her of anything but giving a good presser with a great message. I'm sure it wasn't easy.And of course that could have been on purpose to make her seem more sincere.
The tears, red eyes, and bags are pretty decent indicators of her sincerity.
Post by: SdK on March 03, 2017, 12:43:31 PM
Sincerity for the victims or sincerely concerned she might forever be associated with Briles and be black balled from getting another decent coaching gig?Meh. She'll never leave Baylor.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2017, 01:14:16 PM
Sincerity for the victims or sincerely concerned she might forever be associated with Briles and be black balled from getting another decent coaching gig?Meh. She'll never leave Baylor.
Correct, and if she ever did she wouldn't get black balled for that.
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2017, 01:28:42 PM
https://twitter.com/NickCanizales
Post by: SdK on March 03, 2017, 01:30:10 PM
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2017, 01:44:50 PM
Or an older women in a very stressful line of work.Not a good idea for your career to appear in public looking like that.
Post by: Steffy08 on March 03, 2017, 06:48:09 PM
And of course that could have been on purpose to make her seem more sincere.
The tears, red eyes, and bags are pretty decent indicators of her sincerity.
Given that you fell for Briles' act (remember when you said he was "adorable"?), maybe you should be pretty cautious about declaring someone from Baylor to be sincere.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2017, 09:08:29 PM
And of course that could have been on purpose to make her seem more sincere.
The tears, red eyes, and bags are pretty decent indicators of her sincerity.
Given that you fell for Briles' act (remember when you said he was "adorable"?), maybe you should be pretty cautious about declaring someone from Baylor to be sincere.
You're such a stupid crap bag, steffy.
Post by: SdK on March 03, 2017, 09:34:37 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on March 03, 2017, 10:16:26 PM
And of course that could have been on purpose to make her seem more sincere.
The tears, red eyes, and bags are pretty decent indicators of her sincerity.
Given that you fell for Briles' act (remember when you said he was "adorable"?), maybe you should be pretty cautious about declaring someone from Baylor to be sincere.
You're such a stupid crap bag, steffy.
Now, see, THAT was sincere. I can tell by your tears and red eyes.
Post by: SdK on March 03, 2017, 10:20:42 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 04, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on March 04, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
The eff did I just say? I even said thank you. I don't know if I'm going to be able to get over this and move on with my life Steffy. :(
I wasn't giving you crap SDK, it was MIR I was after. There is history there...and he has thin skin (can dish but can't take).
I don't think Mulkey was being sincere, but peace anyway
Post by: SdK on March 04, 2017, 05:27:05 PM
I was just funning around. :)The eff did I just say? I even said thank you. I don't know if I'm going to be able to get over this and move on with my life Steffy. :(
I wasn't giving you crap SDK, it was MIR I was after. There is history there...and he has thin skin (can dish but can't take).
I don't think Mulkey was being sincere, but peace anyway
Post by: Steffy08 on March 04, 2017, 10:40:01 PM
I was just funning around. :)The eff did I just say? I even said thank you. I don't know if I'm going to be able to get over this and move on with my life Steffy. :(
I wasn't giving you crap SDK, it was MIR I was after. There is history there...and he has thin skin (can dish but can't take).
I don't think Mulkey was being sincere, but peace anyway
:thumbs:
Post by: MakeItRain on March 04, 2017, 10:43:12 PM
The eff did I just say? I even said thank you. I don't know if I'm going to be able to get over this and move on with my life Steffy. :(
I wasn't giving you crap SDK, it was MIR I was after. There is history there...and he has thin skin (can dish but can't take).
I don't think Mulkey was being sincere, but peace anyway
:lol: okay steffy, history pfft
Post by: SdK on March 05, 2017, 08:45:27 AM
Don't take that as support of your post. I strongly disagree. But we all have an opportunity to share our thoughts here and I'm glad you get to share yours.I was just funning around. :)The eff did I just say? I even said thank you. I don't know if I'm going to be able to get over this and move on with my life Steffy. :(
I wasn't giving you crap SDK, it was MIR I was after. There is history there...and he has thin skin (can dish but can't take).
I don't think Mulkey was being sincere, but peace anyway
:thumbs:
Post by: ednksu on March 05, 2017, 10:17:45 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 14, 2017, 07:42:55 AM
https://twitter.com/kevinoncfb/status/841497892993015808
Post by: Joker on March 14, 2017, 07:48:28 AM
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An unnamed school official made sure to note that the texts “were sent to an individual who was an adult under Texas statute,” for what that’s worth.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/14/report-baylor-fires-football-staffer-for-sending-inappropriate-texts-to-teenager/?utm_content=buffer25967&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/14/report-baylor-fires-football-staffer-for-sending-inappropriate-texts-to-teenager/?utm_content=buffer25967&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
Post by: pissclams on March 14, 2017, 08:23:44 AM
what they have down there is a culture extending beyond a coaching staff or UP and it should be extinguished
Post by: Kat Kid on March 14, 2017, 08:47:35 AM
this is why MiR's "the people responsible are all gone, you're punishing the wrong people" is wrong
what they have down there is a culture extending beyond a coaching staff or UP and it should be extinguished
Are you suggesting a baptism by fire?
Post by: pissclams on March 14, 2017, 09:24:39 AM
this is why MiR's "the people responsible are all gone, you're punishing the wrong people" is wrong
what they have down there is a culture extending beyond a coaching staff or UP and it should be extinguished
Are you suggesting a baptism by fire?
the opposite. drain the area of oxygen. no more fire.
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 14, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Post by: Steffy08 on March 14, 2017, 09:52:20 AM
this is why MiR's "the people responsible are all gone, you're punishing the wrong people" is wrong
what they have down there is a culture extending beyond a coaching staff or UP and it should be extinguished
MIR is setting a record for the number of times being wrong in one thread.
Post by: MadCat on March 14, 2017, 10:53:19 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 12:55:10 AM
this is why MiR's "the people responsible are all gone, you're punishing the wrong people" is wrong
what they have down there is a culture extending beyond a coaching staff or UP and it should be extinguished
Since Starr, McCaw, Briles and those other people were fired they certainly can't be accused of inaction.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 01:00:46 AM
this is why MiR's "the people responsible are all gone, you're punishing the wrong people" is wrong
what they have down there is a culture extending beyond a coaching staff or UP and it should be extinguished
MIR is setting a record for the number of times being wrong in one thread.
Interesting observation given you are basing this off of literally nothing having to do with anything that happened at Baylor. Two years ago I said Briles was adorable on Highly Questionable, didn't say a damn thing about what Baylor did or didn't do. Meanwhile you have been taking a victory lap but we're still waiting for the information about the extra benefits and the PEDs that you insisted Briles would get busted for.
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2017, 07:21:29 AM
this is why MiR's "the people responsible are all gone, you're punishing the wrong people" is wrong
what they have down there is a culture extending beyond a coaching staff or UP and it should be extinguished
Since Starr, McCaw, Briles and those other people were fired they certainly can't be accused of inaction.
no one accused anyone (except the ncaa) of inaction
Post by: Steffy08 on March 15, 2017, 10:45:30 AM
this is why MiR's "the people responsible are all gone, you're punishing the wrong people" is wrong
what they have down there is a culture extending beyond a coaching staff or UP and it should be extinguished
Since Starr, McCaw, Briles and those other people were fired they certainly can't be accused of inaction.
no one accused anyone (except the ncaa) of inaction
MIR is one of the best at re-creating history. I guess when you are wrong that much, and never admit it, you get lots of practice.
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2017, 12:06:11 PM
the 2003 stuff was terrible and they were punished appropriately
today's ncaa has lost all power it once had and can't or won't do anything to punish programs who break the rules
Post by: catastrophe on March 15, 2017, 12:45:37 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2017, 12:47:03 PM
Post by: ednksu on March 15, 2017, 01:25:59 PM
doing nothing further solidifies their worthlessnessnailed it
Post by: ednksu on March 15, 2017, 01:29:14 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 11:01:18 PM
For me, it's clear that the powers in Baylor did no where near enough to fix the issues at Baylor. Firing a lame duck coach, getting rid of his buddy AD, and removing the figure head Starr was "something" just for appearance sake. If they had actually worked for real change they wouldn't have one of their premier program's coaches saying to fight people if they questioned the legitimate issues going on down there (and that super weird uncomfortable apology later). You see their fan base is still attached to the culture they've created and it's not getting better.
You want them sanctioned because their fans are fans? There isn't a college fan base in the country that wouldn't behave like Penn State, Baylor, KU, or USC fans would. I know it's cool on here to not care but many college sports fans view their school/program with the same reverence as they would a family member. When an institution behaves reprehensibly there will always be a sector of fans that will deny and obfuscate, after all the school they've devoted most if not all of their lives to could never behave in such a way. These people will always be the most vocal because they have the strongest feelings about their school.
If something like this happened at K-State I would be furious if others attributed the viewpoint and behaviors of kstatefans.com posters to the culture of Kansas State University. It's a bullshit trick to lord some superiority complex over others. We have many people who would respond the exact same way.
I would like to know from you or anyone else what the NCAA can do to fix the issues at Baylor. I view the issue at Baylor as one of how women are viewed and treated, and I don't think that issue is at all unique to Baylor even though I do think the private and highly religious culture feeds the issue even more than at a public university. So if you view this as the issue tell me how the NCAA or the Big 12 Conference fixes that? My issue with nearly everyone posting about this is that what people really want is punishment and not something truly cultural changing that makes Baylor University a safer place for women.
Post by: Tobias on March 15, 2017, 11:23:30 PM
Post by: ednksu on March 15, 2017, 11:47:54 PM
For me, it's clear that the powers in Baylor did no where near enough to fix the issues at Baylor. Firing a lame duck coach, getting rid of his buddy AD, and removing the figure head Starr was "something" just for appearance sake. If they had actually worked for real change they wouldn't have one of their premier program's coaches saying to fight people if they questioned the legitimate issues going on down there (and that super weird uncomfortable apology later). You see their fan base is still attached to the culture they've created and it's not getting better.
You want them sanctioned because their fans are fans? There isn't a college fan base in the country that wouldn't behave like Penn State, Baylor, KU, or USC fans would. I know it's cool on here to not care but many college sports fans view their school/program with the same reverence as they would a family member. When an institution behaves reprehensibly there will always be a sector of fans that will deny and obfuscate, after all the school they've devoted most if not all of their lives to could never behave in such a way. These people will always be the most vocal because they have the strongest feelings about their school.
If something like this happened at K-State I would be furious if others attributed the viewpoint and behaviors of kstatefans.com posters to the culture of Kansas State University. It's a bullshit trick to lord some superiority complex over others. We have many people who would respond the exact same way.
I would like to know from you or anyone else what the NCAA can do to fix the issues at Baylor. I view the issue at Baylor as one of how women are viewed and treated, and I don't think that issue is at all unique to Baylor even though I do think the private and highly religious culture feeds the issue even more than at a public university. So if you view this as the issue tell me how the NCAA or the Big 12 Conference fixes that? My issue with nearly everyone posting about this is that what people really want is punishment and not something truly cultural changing that makes Baylor University a safer place for women.
A lot of what you're saying can fit with in the themes of my post. First we've discussed how rules from the NCAA's arsenal. It isn't a stretch to say Baylor had zero institutional control when it allowed it's football team to run rampant on the community. I found this nice piece from George Mason on the "lack of institutional control" charge that shows it's pretty non-descriptive on what's required. GM (http://www.gomason.com/sports/2011/1/6/205072664.aspx) And this from the NCAA. NCAA (http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-charging)
I fully grant that the lack of institutional control has previously only been used in cases of recruiting and competitive advantage. But this is the type of nightmare scenario where the NCAA must find ways to apply rules in new ways, and if needed stretch them to the last letter in the rule. I would point to the NCAA's bylaws on ethical conduct (http://www.ncaa.org/governance/committees/committee-sportsmanship-and-ethical-conduct) and see there is room there to say that Baylor not just violated those rules but flaunted them for some time and obstructed necessary investigations. The Big 12 also has bylaws (page 43) (http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/handbook/ConferenceHandbook.pdf) which could have the necessary elastic verbiage to confront this unprecedented issue.
I appreciate your comments that a lot of fan bases would react this way. But I feel that many wouldn't, and most would not if they were given a better signal from the university Admin (regents, deans, faculty) to say this is wrong what has happened, and we will have an open and honest discussion about what happened. I'm not sure where this lies between Baylor's reaction and Duke's reaction after the LAX scandal. But what we know is that the personnel at Baylor conducted their investigations in darkness, hid evidence, sequestered reports, and created conspiracy theories impede legitimate investigations. At that point we so altered what a fan bases reaction could be, it's hard to say how things could have played out if there was proper work done. It reminds me of Trump fans believing anything that comes from his mouth instead of the hard work from the 4th estate and even our own intelligence services. I agree there are certain cultural influences that make this an uphill battle. But that work doesn't need to be hindered by men like Starr tearing up the tracks in front of the investigation's train.
Finally I think every responsible party has failed the women of Baylor. The justice system failed by not adequately investigating the team and punishing all involved. The school is pretty obvious too. The conference and the NCAA failed by not caring enough about the "amateur sportsmanship" which is supposed to be the bedrock of their organization. After Penn State they should have included direct language about various types of abuse and made it black letter that your institution must help control these types of situations as well. But they should have stepped in and stretched sportsmanship to include not raping the crap out of your fans. If the school can't control a player then they shouldn't have that player. If the school can't control a football team, they shouldn't have a football team. With the issues at play, and the info that had to be out there, I have no qualms about players who didn't report these abuses losing a year to transfer out of the program. Players directly involved with the attacks and cover ups should be done playing forfeiting their remaining eligibility. Players who cooperate with an investigation can earn their status back by assisting in any investigations and completing any courses the title ix office deems necessary. With Baylor covering this up at an institutional level it's clear they are not responsible enough an athletics department. All of the administrators or coaches involved in the cover up should lose their jobs and be hit with a show cause. I'm not sure if that even goes far enough and if a school like Baylor shouldn't just lose it's entire athletics program. Of course the outside players and coaches should be allowed to transfer without penalty of wait times.
Post by: SdK on March 16, 2017, 12:27:31 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 16, 2017, 06:33:30 AM
For me, it's clear that the powers in Baylor did no where near enough to fix the issues at Baylor. Firing a lame duck coach, getting rid of his buddy AD, and removing the figure head Starr was "something" just for appearance sake. If they had actually worked for real change they wouldn't have one of their premier program's coaches saying to fight people if they questioned the legitimate issues going on down there (and that super weird uncomfortable apology later). You see their fan base is still attached to the culture they've created and it's not getting better.
You want them sanctioned because their fans are fans? There isn't a college fan base in the country that wouldn't behave like Penn State, Baylor, KU, or USC fans would. I know it's cool on here to not care but many college sports fans view their school/program with the same reverence as they would a family member. When an institution behaves reprehensibly there will always be a sector of fans that will deny and obfuscate, after all the school they've devoted most if not all of their lives to could never behave in such a way. These people will always be the most vocal because they have the strongest feelings about their school.
If something like this happened at K-State I would be furious if others attributed the viewpoint and behaviors of kstatefans.com posters to the culture of Kansas State University. It's a bullshit trick to lord some superiority complex over others. We have many people who would respond the exact same way.
I would like to know from you or anyone else what the NCAA can do to fix the issues at Baylor. I view the issue at Baylor as one of how women are viewed and treated, and I don't think that issue is at all unique to Baylor even though I do think the private and highly religious culture feeds the issue even more than at a public university. So if you view this as the issue tell me how the NCAA or the Big 12 Conference fixes that? My issue with nearly everyone posting about this is that what people really want is punishment and not something truly cultural changing that makes Baylor University a safer place for women.
It would appear that the folks at Baylor are unwilling to change so they needs some more forceful persuasion
Post by: Missouriscribe on March 16, 2017, 07:13:16 AM
Otherwise, why wouldn't a school set up another situation like that? How is Baylor not better off than they would have been?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 07:47:09 AM
For me, it's clear that the powers in Baylor did no where near enough to fix the issues at Baylor. Firing a lame duck coach, getting rid of his buddy AD, and removing the figure head Starr was "something" just for appearance sake. If they had actually worked for real change they wouldn't have one of their premier program's coaches saying to fight people if they questioned the legitimate issues going on down there (and that super weird uncomfortable apology later). You see their fan base is still attached to the culture they've created and it's not getting better.
You want them sanctioned because their fans are fans? There isn't a college fan base in the country that wouldn't behave like Penn State, Baylor, KU, or USC fans would. I know it's cool on here to not care but many college sports fans view their school/program with the same reverence as they would a family member. When an institution behaves reprehensibly there will always be a sector of fans that will deny and obfuscate, after all the school they've devoted most if not all of their lives to could never behave in such a way. These people will always be the most vocal because they have the strongest feelings about their school.
If something like this happened at K-State I would be furious if others attributed the viewpoint and behaviors of kstatefans.com posters to the culture of Kansas State University. It's a bullshit trick to lord some superiority complex over others. We have many people who would respond the exact same way.
I would like to know from you or anyone else what the NCAA can do to fix the issues at Baylor. I view the issue at Baylor as one of how women are viewed and treated, and I don't think that issue is at all unique to Baylor even though I do think the private and highly religious culture feeds the issue even more than at a public university. So if you view this as the issue tell me how the NCAA or the Big 12 Conference fixes that? My issue with nearly everyone posting about this is that what people really want is punishment and not something truly cultural changing that makes Baylor University a safer place for women.
It would appear that the folks at Baylor are unwilling to change so they needs some more forceful persuasion
I've never once said that they don't, I just don't think the NCAA or the Big 12 are the entities to do that. Their issue isn't limited to simply an athletics issue so why rely on an athletics institution to provide the remedy? edn is talking about a lack of institutional control and I don't disagree but again that hits at punishment, not reform.
I've said before that this should be handed by their accrediting organization and the state of Texas and the federal government if they are receiving funds from these agencies. FWIW the accrediting organization has chimed in and they did less than the Big 12 did.
http://www.educationdive.com/news/baylor-louisville-placed-on-accreditation-probation/431849/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/11/accreditation-group-gives-warning-to-baylor-university.html
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 16, 2017, 08:33:35 AM
For me, it's clear that the powers in Baylor did no where near enough to fix the issues at Baylor. Firing a lame duck coach, getting rid of his buddy AD, and removing the figure head Starr was "something" just for appearance sake. If they had actually worked for real change they wouldn't have one of their premier program's coaches saying to fight people if they questioned the legitimate issues going on down there (and that super weird uncomfortable apology later). You see their fan base is still attached to the culture they've created and it's not getting better.
You want them sanctioned because their fans are fans? There isn't a college fan base in the country that wouldn't behave like Penn State, Baylor, KU, or USC fans would. I know it's cool on here to not care but many college sports fans view their school/program with the same reverence as they would a family member. When an institution behaves reprehensibly there will always be a sector of fans that will deny and obfuscate, after all the school they've devoted most if not all of their lives to could never behave in such a way. These people will always be the most vocal because they have the strongest feelings about their school.
If something like this happened at K-State I would be furious if others attributed the viewpoint and behaviors of kstatefans.com posters to the culture of Kansas State University. It's a bullshit trick to lord some superiority complex over others. We have many people who would respond the exact same way.
I would like to know from you or anyone else what the NCAA can do to fix the issues at Baylor. I view the issue at Baylor as one of how women are viewed and treated, and I don't think that issue is at all unique to Baylor even though I do think the private and highly religious culture feeds the issue even more than at a public university. So if you view this as the issue tell me how the NCAA or the Big 12 Conference fixes that? My issue with nearly everyone posting about this is that what people really want is punishment and not something truly cultural changing that makes Baylor University a safer place for women.
When this sort of thing happens at a school, they should just get rid of football (or whatever sport is the culprit) entirely. I would want K-State to eliminate football if the team were raping women left and right because the school thought the program was important enough that there shouldn't be consequences.
Post by: 0.42 on March 16, 2017, 09:44:08 AM
For me, it's clear that the powers in Baylor did no where near enough to fix the issues at Baylor. Firing a lame duck coach, getting rid of his buddy AD, and removing the figure head Starr was "something" just for appearance sake. If they had actually worked for real change they wouldn't have one of their premier program's coaches saying to fight people if they questioned the legitimate issues going on down there (and that super weird uncomfortable apology later). You see their fan base is still attached to the culture they've created and it's not getting better.
You want them sanctioned because their fans are fans? There isn't a college fan base in the country that wouldn't behave like Penn State, Baylor, KU, or USC fans would. I know it's cool on here to not care but many college sports fans view their school/program with the same reverence as they would a family member. When an institution behaves reprehensibly there will always be a sector of fans that will deny and obfuscate, after all the school they've devoted most if not all of their lives to could never behave in such a way. These people will always be the most vocal because they have the strongest feelings about their school.
If something like this happened at K-State I would be furious if others attributed the viewpoint and behaviors of kstatefans.com posters to the culture of Kansas State University. It's a bullshit trick to lord some superiority complex over others. We have many people who would respond the exact same way.
I would like to know from you or anyone else what the NCAA can do to fix the issues at Baylor. I view the issue at Baylor as one of how women are viewed and treated, and I don't think that issue is at all unique to Baylor even though I do think the private and highly religious culture feeds the issue even more than at a public university. So if you view this as the issue tell me how the NCAA or the Big 12 Conference fixes that? My issue with nearly everyone posting about this is that what people really want is punishment and not something truly cultural changing that makes Baylor University a safer place for women.
It would appear that the folks at Baylor are unwilling to change so they needs some more forceful persuasion
I've never once said that they don't, I just don't think the NCAA or the Big 12 are the entities to do that. Their issue isn't limited to simply an athletics issue so why rely on an athletics institution to provide the remedy? edn is talking about a lack of institutional control and I don't disagree but again that hits at punishment, not reform.
I've said before that this should be handed by their accrediting organization and the state of Texas and the federal government if they are receiving funds from these agencies. FWIW the accrediting organization has chimed in and they did less than the Big 12 did.
http://www.educationdive.com/news/baylor-louisville-placed-on-accreditation-probation/431849/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/11/accreditation-group-gives-warning-to-baylor-university.html
SACS isn't gonna do crap. They never do. The state of Texas can't do that much because Baylor's private, not to mention our legislature is run by reactionary morons who are just as liable to blame the victim as they are to actually step up enforcement on Baylor. The feds aren't gonna do crap because Baylor's private + Trump doesn't give a eff about the welfare of women. So who exactly is supposed to police Baylor here? Because they sure as crap have demonstrated that they can't do it themselves. While I agree with you in that the narrative surrounding this conversation is gross and is not actually centered on making Waco a safer place for women, I think we can both agree that there's a serious cultural issue there that needs to be addressed. That's not gonna happen if any agency who could conceivably step in and force a change at Baylor keeps punting responsibility for enforcement to someone else.
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 09:44:41 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 16, 2017, 10:22:42 AM
^I think there is a minuscule chance of that happening because it may open the Big 12 to lawsuits that are currently contained to member institutions but I would like to see it.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 10:58:26 AM
when winning at all costs becomes the priority of the university, you get rid of the incentive to win. this isn't rocket science, good God.
I'm starting to think that some of you aren't reading anything about what's happening there or you're just too stuck on your own point to see anything else. I just posted a link that stated 17 out of the last 125 reported incidences on their campus involves football players, yet you RATM and ChiCat are still looking for solutions within athletics. WTF does "winning at all costs" have to do with the other 90% of these cases? You keep mentioning football but refuse to acknowledge all those football decision makers are long gone. What about the other 90%, guys?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 16, 2017, 11:02:01 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 16, 2017, 11:15:06 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 11:15:33 AM
Are the perpetrators of the other 90% of the cases getting charged with crimes, or is the school trying to cover those crimes up, too?
The honor code permits accusers to be subjected to discipline.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 11:17:43 AM
Also, when a football team that composes 0.5% of the student population is involved in 14% of the reported incidences campus-wide, I think there is probably a pretty significant problem with that program.
Not 14% 10% I'd be willing to bet that football players outpace the general student population on most campuses when it comes to assault, football culture.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 16, 2017, 11:18:12 AM
Also, when a football team that composes 0.5% of the student population is involved in 14% of the reported incidences campus-wide, I think there is probably a pretty significant problem with that program.
Not 14% 10% I'd be willing to bet that football players outpace the general student population on most campuses when it comes to assault, football culture.
17/125 is 14%. If a football player were 10 times more likely than a regular student to commit a crime, you would expect 5% of the crimes to be committed by them. The football players are 30 times more likely to be criminals at Baylor than the general student population.
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 11:22:01 AM
and the focus on athletics, specifically football, on this football board, isn't so weird. but if you want to deliver the message to the hell of a lot more than 17 families affected by football players actions that punishing the football program won't help fix their problem, go for it.
Post by: ednksu on March 16, 2017, 12:01:34 PM
Further I think that when a premiere face of your institution is given the death penalty that sends a clear message to johnny frat guy that if well recognized football player can't get away with it, he is probably going to get it too, and maybe worse since he doesn't have that football association for protection.
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 01:34:42 PM
MiR I think you're a bit off track with what people want. I think many posters here have said the admin that covered these things up, including those who pushed honor code violations are part of a larger conspiracy to conceal a felony and should be criminally liable. Yes Title IX offices should be involved for the other 90% of issues. But when one specific body of schools citizens is directly responsible for 10%(!) of cases they should be smashed, same as if it were a frat raping the hell out of campus. I don't recall your response to the SAE thread here, but wouldn't you support the frat being kick off campus/dissolved when they have repeated violations?
Further I think that when a premiere face of your institution is given the death penalty that sends a clear message to johnny frat guy that if well recognized football player can't get away with it, he is probably going to get it too, and maybe worse since he doesn't have that football association for protection.
yeah it's really weird. he's accusing myself and others of getting lost on our point and yet i'm not sure he has one
Post by: Big Sam on March 16, 2017, 03:24:02 PM
Further I think that when a premiere face of your institution is given the death penalty that sends a clear message to johnny frat guy that if well recognized football player can't get away with it, he is probably going to get it too, and maybe worse since he doesn't have that football association for protection.
So, in other words, so if someone is deemed important or well known, they deserve a harsher punishment than some average person?
Post by: ChiComCat on March 16, 2017, 04:08:12 PM
when winning at all costs becomes the priority of the university, you get rid of the incentive to win. this isn't rocket science, good God.
I'm starting to think that some of you aren't reading anything about what's happening there or you're just too stuck on your own point to see anything else. I just posted a link that stated 17 out of the last 125 reported incidences on their campus involves football players, yet you RATM and ChiCat are still looking for solutions within athletics. WTF does "winning at all costs" have to do with the other 90% of these cases? You keep mentioning football but refuse to acknowledge all those football decision makers are long gone. What about the other 90%, guys?
I don't think the problem can be solved completely within athletics. The problem is definitely university wide as seen with K-State mishandling the problems at the frat houses.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 05:07:09 PM
MiR I think you're a bit off track with what people want. I think many posters here have said the admin that covered these things up, including those who pushed honor code violations are part of a larger conspiracy to conceal a felony and should be criminally liable. Yes Title IX offices should be involved for the other 90% of issues. But when one specific body of schools citizens is directly responsible for 10%(!) of cases they should be smashed, same as if it were a frat raping the hell out of campus. I don't recall your response to the SAE thread here, but wouldn't you support the frat being kick off campus/dissolved when they have repeated violations?
Further I think that when a premiere face of your institution is given the death penalty that sends a clear message to johnny frat guy that if well recognized football player can't get away with it, he is probably going to get it too, and maybe worse since he doesn't have that football association for protection.
I'm fine with your first paragraph, I completely disagree with the second one. Are you saying a football program being punished will prevent some dude from sexually assaulting some poor girl? I don't think measuring of choices and consequences generally come into the thought process of a rapist.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 05:08:38 PM
when winning at all costs becomes the priority of the university, you get rid of the incentive to win. this isn't rocket science, good God.
I'm starting to think that some of you aren't reading anything about what's happening there or you're just too stuck on your own point to see anything else. I just posted a link that stated 17 out of the last 125 reported incidences on their campus involves football players, yet you RATM and ChiCat are still looking for solutions within athletics. WTF does "winning at all costs" have to do with the other 90% of these cases? You keep mentioning football but refuse to acknowledge all those football decision makers are long gone. What about the other 90%, guys?
I don't think the problem can be solved completely within athletics. The problem is definitely university wide as seen with K-State mishandling the problems at the frat houses.
My sincerest apology
Post by: ednksu on March 17, 2017, 12:06:22 AM
So, in other words, so if someone is deemed important or well known, they deserve a harsher punishment than some average person?Yes that is exactly what I posted.
Post by: ednksu on March 17, 2017, 12:16:59 AM
MiR I think you're a bit off track with what people want. I think many posters here have said the admin that covered these things up, including those who pushed honor code violations are part of a larger conspiracy to conceal a felony and should be criminally liable. Yes Title IX offices should be involved for the other 90% of issues. But when one specific body of schools citizens is directly responsible for 10%(!) of cases they should be smashed, same as if it were a frat raping the hell out of campus. I don't recall your response to the SAE thread here, but wouldn't you support the frat being kick off campus/dissolved when they have repeated violations?
Further I think that when a premiere face of your institution is given the death penalty that sends a clear message to johnny frat guy that if well recognized football player can't get away with it, he is probably going to get it too, and maybe worse since he doesn't have that football association for protection.
I'm fine with your first paragraph, I completely disagree with the second one. Are you saying a football program being punished will prevent some dude from sexually assaulting some poor girl? I don't think measuring of choices and consequences generally come into the thought process of a rapist.
I'm not saying it's quite that linear. I'm sure johnny frat guy isn't dropping roofies in drinks and then slapping them out of a girls hand when he remembers that a football player got kicked out of school and run by the local PD. It's about creating a culture of no tolerance. That actions have consequences (which they obviously didn't for a long time at BU) and that women will be respected, listened to, and crimes against them prosecuted where necessary. This won't solve every issue, but the people who prey on women will get the message that their predilections will not be tolerated. I really think that harsh punishments will help to deter the next Brock Turner eff face from going to *your* school if your school takes sexual assault seriously.
Post by: Joker on March 17, 2017, 09:38:38 AM
This is only one study, but I'm guessing one would find similar results elsewhere.
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The findings suggest that 76% of active criminals and 89% of the most violent criminals either perceive no risk of apprehension or are incognizant of the likely punishments for their crimes.
http://www.businessinsider.com/do-criminals-think-about-getting-caught-before-committing-a-crime-2011-9 (http://www.businessinsider.com/do-criminals-think-about-getting-caught-before-committing-a-crime-2011-9)
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 17, 2017, 12:59:15 PM
Post by: ednksu on March 17, 2017, 01:54:37 PM
Of course sexual assault should be taken seriously. But, to MIR's point, I don't think many sexual predators are considering punishments or even the campus culture. It's a bit of a stretch to assume that predators would choose a particular school because they view the campus culture as more conducive to preying on women.
This is only one study, but I'm guessing one would find similar results elsewhere.QuoteThe findings suggest that 76% of active criminals and 89% of the most violent criminals either perceive no risk of apprehension or are incognizant of the likely punishments for their crimes.
http://www.businessinsider.com/do-criminals-think-about-getting-caught-before-committing-a-crime-2011-9 (http://www.businessinsider.com/do-criminals-think-about-getting-caught-before-committing-a-crime-2011-9)
Using stats about "criminals" in a specific type of crime thread is pretty useless.
Even stuff like this that broadly speaks about sexual violence isn't great.
http://studenthealth.emory.edu/hp/respect_program/understanding_the_perpetrator.html
Men are more likely to commit sexual violence in communities where sexual violence goes unpunished. (National Sexual Violence Resource Center, 2004)
And that study is talking about a broad generalization about sexual violence/rape/honor codes/punishments across the world, not johnny frat boy.
But it's not hard to find some trends in how assaults occur, even if we don't get a great profile about the individual rapist. Society tolerating it and not valuing a woman's complaints is key to allowing the culture to flourish.
Post by: Kat Kid on May 17, 2017, 03:16:41 PM
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/baylor-hit-with-th-title-ix-lawsuit-plaintiff-alleges-gang/article_1b391c59-1722-5532-9c3b-058b07850249.html (http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/baylor-hit-with-th-title-ix-lawsuit-plaintiff-alleges-gang/article_1b391c59-1722-5532-9c3b-058b07850249.html)
Post by: Gooch on May 17, 2017, 03:17:53 PM
Post by: That_Guy on May 17, 2017, 03:18:20 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on May 17, 2017, 03:39:56 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 17, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
Burn it down.not even surprising anymore :frown:
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/baylor-hit-with-th-title-ix-lawsuit-plaintiff-alleges-gang/article_1b391c59-1722-5532-9c3b-058b07850249.html (http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/baylor-hit-with-th-title-ix-lawsuit-plaintiff-alleges-gang/article_1b391c59-1722-5532-9c3b-058b07850249.html)
Post by: Tobias on May 17, 2017, 08:14:08 PM
Post by: SdK on May 17, 2017, 08:26:51 PM
People really don't give a crap. I saw Ken Starr on the news the other day being interviewed about Trump and Comey. It was either Vice or ABC News. I wondered if they had any clue as to what he's been up to these days.We give a holla to our sister Baylor bears
gE cares if don't nobody else care
Post by: scottwildcat on May 17, 2017, 08:30:29 PM
So when is something actually going to happen to Baylor University for all this?Never
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Post by: The Big Train on May 17, 2017, 08:47:25 PM
Burn it down.
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/baylor-hit-with-th-title-ix-lawsuit-plaintiff-alleges-gang/article_1b391c59-1722-5532-9c3b-058b07850249.html (http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/baylor-hit-with-th-title-ix-lawsuit-plaintiff-alleges-gang/article_1b391c59-1722-5532-9c3b-058b07850249.html)
I remember hearing rumors about this last summer when everything was coming out. Heard at the time there might be video of it. Burn that school to the ground with all the people that let this happen.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 03, 2017, 01:59:13 PM
http://deadspin.com/report-then-baylor-regent-calls-female-students-perve-1796577774
Post by: Brock Landers on July 03, 2017, 02:26:29 PM
holy crap
http://deadspin.com/report-then-baylor-regent-calls-female-students-perve-1796577774
Neal "Buddy" Jones seems like he sucks.
If only those Perverted Little Tarts hadn't been drinking they wouldn't have been raped! :flush:
Post by: slackcat on July 03, 2017, 06:50:58 PM
Post by: Big Sam on July 03, 2017, 08:28:00 PM
holy crap
http://deadspin.com/report-then-baylor-regent-calls-female-students-perve-1796577774
Neal "Buddy" Jones seems like he sucks.
If only those Perverted Little Tarts hadn't been drinking they wouldn't have been raped! :flush:
BSOP. (Baylor Standard Operating Procedure)
Once again reminds me why I should hate Ann Richards, if for no other reason. She used her leverage as governor to put BU in the conference when it formed, and kept TCU out. No matter what issues I have with TCU, they have yet to show they can even approach to stoop to every day BSOP levels.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 03, 2017, 09:02:35 PM
Post by: SdK on July 03, 2017, 09:31:23 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 04, 2017, 10:51:34 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 04, 2017, 01:09:39 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 05, 2017, 08:13:37 AM
Is it a church school because nty on those nuts
nope
Post by: PurpleOil on July 05, 2017, 09:49:39 AM
Burn it down.
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/baylor-hit-with-th-title-ix-lawsuit-plaintiff-alleges-gang/article_1b391c59-1722-5532-9c3b-058b07850249.html (http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/baylor-hit-with-th-title-ix-lawsuit-plaintiff-alleges-gang/article_1b391c59-1722-5532-9c3b-058b07850249.html)
Yep, that school and the nut jobs that go there are a lost cause. They didn't belong in this conference back when it was formed and they damn sure don't belong in here now.
Seriously, out of all the colleges in Texas, why are we having to be associated with one that has trouble treating women as something other than property?
Post by: Big Sam on July 05, 2017, 04:24:28 PM
Burn it down.
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/baylor-hit-with-th-title-ix-lawsuit-plaintiff-alleges-gang/article_1b391c59-1722-5532-9c3b-058b07850249.html (http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/baylor-hit-with-th-title-ix-lawsuit-plaintiff-alleges-gang/article_1b391c59-1722-5532-9c3b-058b07850249.html)
Yep, that school and the nut jobs that go there are a lost cause. They didn't belong in this conference back when it was formed and they damn sure don't belong in here now.
Seriously, out of all the colleges in Texas, why are we having to be associated with one that has trouble treating women as something other than property?
Because their awful governor at the time would not politically allow UT and aTm to exit the SWC and join with the Big 8 without taking Baylor along.
Post by: Big Sam on July 16, 2017, 12:10:19 PM
Post by: Katpappy on July 16, 2017, 05:50:10 PM
Post by: manpow5 on August 05, 2017, 05:37:30 PM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/893887440569589760
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 06, 2017, 09:32:02 AM
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Post by: star seed 7 on August 06, 2017, 11:37:49 AM
Post by: pvegs on August 06, 2017, 12:17:37 PM
Post by: LeggoKatZ on August 06, 2017, 02:19:35 PM
i didn't realize how fat he is.
He also looks really short.
Post by: DKmode500 on August 06, 2017, 07:23:44 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2017, 09:52:14 AM
hiring a good person is the worst part of the baylor scandal?
Poor choice of words. It's what they do, tho.
Post by: manpow5 on August 09, 2017, 01:09:21 PM
https://www.diehards.com/kansas-state/bill-snyder-defacing-federal-property-autograph-kansas-state/amp
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 09, 2017, 01:12:45 PM
Post by: Trim on August 09, 2017, 01:24:02 PM
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Post by: The Big Train on August 11, 2017, 12:45:07 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 11, 2017, 01:48:37 PM
Post by: deputy dawg on August 15, 2017, 12:03:12 PM
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20342799/baylor-bears-avoided-random-drug-testing-according-book
Post by: pissclams on August 15, 2017, 01:16:38 PM
Post by: 0.42 on August 15, 2017, 01:50:42 PM
Bastards apparently managed to avoid drug testing for football players on top of everything else:
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20342799/baylor-bears-avoided-random-drug-testing-according-book
Meh, don't have a problem with this. Baylor can burn for everything else tho.
Post by: Big Sam on August 15, 2017, 06:49:32 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 24, 2022, 02:56:47 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on February 24, 2022, 07:10:36 PM
Can we acknowledge that Briles is a sack of crap but also acknowledge that this is a good hire for Grambling?Maybe best decision Hue has ever made.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 26, 2022, 01:46:52 PM
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Post by: Katpappy on February 27, 2022, 12:04:46 PM
https://www.thenewsstar.com/story/sports/college/gsu/2022/02/26/art-briles-grambling-state-hiring-university-of-louisiana-system-board-offensive-coordinator/6939888001/
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2022, 08:53:48 PM
Post by: CHONGS on February 28, 2022, 05:50:19 PM
Post by: Katpappy on February 28, 2022, 08:57:56 PM
Welp he gone
Yep, the first five minutes was enough for me:
https://youtu.be/75lVmJ7o8G0