The Trump Candidacy

[Emo EMAW]

Ugh, that sounds awful. 

[catastrophe]

I'm not sure I'd prefer any of them to be prez, but I think the ideal for debates would be Hillary vs Bush with Trump as independent. Trump would destroy Hillary (or at least get a really great sound byte / reaction) and the Bush/Trump exchanges would be mildly entertaining as well.

Would practically guarantee a Clinton presidency tho.

[Yard Dog]

I'm not sure I'd prefer any of them to be prez, but I think the ideal for debates would be Hillary vs Bush with Trump as independent. Trump would destroy Hillary (or at least get a really great sound byte / reaction) and the Bush/Trump exchanges would be mildly entertaining as well.

Would practically guarantee a Clinton presidency tho.

If we're talking pure comedy gold I think you want a Bernie, Trump, Jeb stage. I am imagining Bernie calling Jeb low energy, Bush calling Bernie a white haired ninny muggins, and Trump just watching making one of his six default facial expressions.

[catastrophe]

I'm not sure I'd prefer any of them to be prez, but I think the ideal for debates would be Hillary vs Bush with Trump as independent. Trump would destroy Hillary (or at least get a really great sound byte / reaction) and the Bush/Trump exchanges would be mildly entertaining as well.

Would practically guarantee a Clinton presidency tho.

If we're talking pure comedy gold I think you want a Bernie, Trump, Jeb stage. I am imagining Bernie calling Jeb low energy, Bush calling Bernie a white haired ninny muggins, and Trump just watching making one of his six default facial expressions.

I don't think you appreciate how great Trump is with women.

Edit: in a Trump/Clinton debate you can expect at least one bathroom joke.

[star seed 7]

Ninny muggins? Is this code for jew?

[wetwillie]

Trump called Jeb low energy not Bernie

[Yard Dog]

Trump called Jeb low energy not Bernie

Exactly. That's why I think it would be hilarious for Bernie to pick up the standard and reinforce an already existing "doubt inducer" in the american voter's mind. Not to mention that Jeb can't make it through one thought with out stumbling over his words somewhere. Better yet, if you did a drinking game where you drank every time a word was mispronounced in a debate involving Bernie and Trump you'd be wasted 20 minutes in.

[Yard Dog]

No surprise here. Trump isn't really a conservative.

http://www.youngcons.com/donald-trump-puts-blame-for-gop-betrayals-on-conservatives/

Shapiro is a rather sharp dude, and I think he’s on to something here.

I believe it’s critical for conservatives to stop equating “being angry, loud, and obnoxious,” with “being conservative.”

Anyone can be a loud, brash, Type-A personality. That’s not limited to the realm of politics or conservatism.

We need to be going after candidates who actually stand on principle, who know the Constitution, or at the very least, are able to articulate the conservative position on issues and why they agree or disagree.

[catastrophe]

I'm pretty convinced that 80% plus of Trump supporters are just republican trolls trying to get under democrats' skins.

[chuckjames]

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/698173115193372673

Our guy is out here just crushing the "true conservatives".

[chuckjames]

No surprise here. Trump isn't really a conservative.

http://www.youngcons.com/donald-trump-puts-blame-for-gop-betrayals-on-conservatives/

Shapiro is a rather sharp dude, and I think he’s on to something here.

I believe it’s critical for conservatives to stop equating “being angry, loud, and obnoxious,” with “being conservative.”

Anyone can be a loud, brash, Type-A personality. That’s not limited to the realm of politics or conservatism.

We need to be going after candidates who actually stand on principle, who know the Constitution, or at the very least, are able to articulate the conservative position on issues and why they agree or disagree.

It's almost like working class Pubs are tired of voting against their own economic self interest. If you think your average white worker class voter cares what Buckley's idea of conservatism is, you're wrong.

[Yard Dog]

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/698173115193372673

Our guy is out here just crushing the "true conservatives".

Those numbers seem way off. Real Clear Politics numbers:

Trump: 29.5%

Cruz: 21 %

Rubio: 17.8%

Carson: 7.8%

Bush: 4.3%

Kasich: 4%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

[chuckjames]

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/698173115193372673

Our guy is out here just crushing the "true conservatives".

Those numbers seem way off. Real Clear Politics numbers:

Trump: 29.5%

Cruz: 21 %

Rubio: 17.8%

Carson: 7.8%

Bush: 4.3%

Kasich: 4%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

Well it's the first poll taken after NH..so I'm assuming Trump got a very nice boost from that.

[sys]

yarddog just struggles with anything poll related.  it's like a mental block with him.

[Yard Dog]

yarddog just struggles with anything poll related.  it's like a mental block with him.

I struggle with the idea that calling 400 people on the phone allows you to deduce with exact numbers how hundreds of thousands of people will vote.

That being said Real Clear Politics and Five38 tend to have the most accurate polls.

[chuckjames]

yarddog just struggles with anything poll related.  it's like a mental block with him.

I struggle with the idea that calling 400 people on the phone allows you to deduce with exact numbers how hundreds of thousands of people will vote.

That being said Real Clear Politics and Five38 tend to have the most accurate polls.

The same 538 who has been claiming for 6 months that Trump couldn't get this far? 538 has good stuff sometimes, but Nate Silver's ability to predict things is vastly overblown.

[sys]

yarddog just struggles with anything poll related.  it's like a mental block with him.

That being said Real Clear Politics and Five38 tend to have the most accurate polls.

neither rcp nor 538 conducts polls, for anyone following along at home.

[sys]

The same 538 who has been claiming for 6 months that Trump couldn't get this far?

that's not an accurate account of 538's trump prediction history.

[wetwillie]

Looks like bush spending huge amounts of money in New Hampshire bought him some healthy increases in support.

[star seed 7]

I also enjoy the yard dog/poll saga, sys

[Yard Dog]

yarddog just struggles with anything poll related.  it's like a mental block with him.

That being said Real Clear Politics and Five38 tend to have the most accurate polls.

neither rcp nor 538 conducts polls, for anyone following along at home.

You are correct, I misspoke though you knew what I meant. Both provide information from existing polls as well as a grading system on which polls to trust. I trust the analysis that those two companies provide of the polls that are out there.

[sys]

I trust the analysis that those two companies provide of the polls that are out there.

 

[Institutional Control]

LOL

I love yarddog.

[chuckjames]

The same 538 who has been claiming for 6 months that Trump couldn't get this far?

that's not an accurate account of 538's trump prediction history.

Yea you're probably right, I remember in the summer Nate gave Trump like a 5% chance. So I've always thought he undervalued Trump's chances. 

[Yard Dog]

The same 538 who has been claiming for 6 months that Trump couldn't get this far?

that's not an accurate account of 538's trump prediction history.

Yea you're probably right, I remember in the summer Nate gave Trump like a 5% chance. So I've always thought he undervalued Trump's chances.

Was anyone last summer giving Trump a better than 5% chance?