Author Topic: How good are we/also with rd (Read 7021 times)

williamthewildcat · « **Reply #25 on:** March 25, 2018, 03:20:31 PM »

I just want to see more of McGuirl. That dude... he has game. Obvz I don't know much about the inner workings of the team, but he plays hard and has hops and touch. So it's strange we didn't see more of him during conference play.

sys · « **Reply #26 on:** March 25, 2018, 03:23:14 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 25, 2018, 03:16:32 PM

Quote from: kso_FAN on March 25, 2018, 03:14:51 PM
12 Big 12 wins minimum.

in the last six years, two teams with a kenpom rating below 20 had 12+ conference wins. most such teams were over 23.

sys · « **Reply #27 on:** March 25, 2018, 03:24:13 PM »

over 23 is a top 10-15 team nationally.

michigancat · « **Reply #28 on:** March 25, 2018, 03:39:12 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 25, 2018, 02:29:34 PM

Quote from: michigancat on March 25, 2018, 02:24:13 PM
I still think they played soft quite a bit.

that's just the style of defense, i think. but we've seen over six years now, that weber can consistently produce a top 30/40ish defense without having it look very efforty.

I actually think the defensive style looks like they're working pretty hard because they are helping and recovering so much. Much more "soft" on offense, really. And I don't expect them to ever out work the opposition for a loose ball or something. I could be wrong and don't describe it very well, so whatever.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #29 on:** March 25, 2018, 03:52:02 PM »

I expect to finish somewhere between 4th and 6th in the Big 12. Tournament seed in the 7-10 range.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #30 on:** March 25, 2018, 03:54:57 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 25, 2018, 03:23:14 PM

Quote from: sys on March 25, 2018, 03:16:32 PM
Quote from: kso_FAN on March 25, 2018, 03:14:51 PM
12 Big 12 wins minimum.

in the last six years, two teams with a kenpom rating below 20 had 12+ conference wins. most such teams were over 23.

I think this should be a top 20 team. Maybe not quite as good as 2010, but in that range.

wetwillie · « **Reply #31 on:** March 25, 2018, 04:00:23 PM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on March 25, 2018, 03:52:02 PM

I expect to finish somewhere between 4th and 6th in the Big 12. Tournament seed in the 7-10 range.

Can you enlighten us with the 2nd and 3rd best team?

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #32 on:** March 25, 2018, 04:07:08 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on March 25, 2018, 04:00:23 PM

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on March 25, 2018, 03:52:02 PM
I expect to finish somewhere between 4th and 6th in the Big 12. Tournament seed in the 7-10 range.

Can you enlighten us with the 2nd and 3rd best team?

Not correctly.

sys · « **Reply #33 on:** March 25, 2018, 04:12:36 PM »

Quote from: kso_FAN on March 25, 2018, 03:54:57 PM

I think this should be a top 20 team. Maybe not quite as good as 2010, but in that range.

i don't see it. but i didn't see the 2010 team either, at the end of 2009. that's probably normal.

michigancat · « **Reply #34 on:** March 25, 2018, 04:18:11 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 25, 2018, 04:12:36 PM

Quote from: kso_FAN on March 25, 2018, 03:54:57 PM
I think this should be a top 20 team. Maybe not quite as good as 2010, but in that range.

i don't see it. but i didn't see the 2010 team either, at the end of 2009. that's probably normal.

Lots of folks saw that and more for the 2011 team

sys · « **Reply #35 on:** March 25, 2018, 04:25:23 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on March 25, 2018, 04:18:11 PM

Lots of folks saw that and more for the 2011 team

that's a good note of warning, but people were ignoring some personnel losses from 2010 to indulge their optimism. this teams doesn't lose anyone.

sys · « **Reply #36 on:** March 25, 2018, 04:26:06 PM »

of course this team is kp 42 and 2010 was kp 6, so.

mocat · « **Reply #37 on:** March 25, 2018, 04:30:45 PM »

2011 was a pretty good team. kp32, 10-6, 5 seed, beat kp22 and lost to kp6consin in the tournament

wetwillie · « **Reply #38 on:** March 25, 2018, 04:31:23 PM »

What kenpom was Butler in 2010 sys?

sys · « **Reply #39 on:** March 25, 2018, 04:34:52 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on March 25, 2018, 04:31:23 PM

What kenpom was Butler in 2010 sys?

12th (22.45). they were 38th (15.78) in 2009, so there's a team that made a jump from where kstate 2018 is to where people want kstate 2019 to be.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #40 on:** March 25, 2018, 04:47:58 PM »

Quote from: kso_FAN on March 25, 2018, 03:14:51 PM

12 Big 12 wins minimum.
3-4 seed minimum.
2nd weekend.

I agree with most of this. We'll lose our second round game, as a 3 seed, to an 11 seed from the A10 that played in the first four and sys and rusty will shift the agenda again.

sys · « **Reply #41 on:** March 25, 2018, 04:49:22 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on March 25, 2018, 04:47:58 PM

sys and rusty will shift the agenda again.

sys · « **Reply #42 on:** March 25, 2018, 04:54:40 PM »

i find it amazing, not to mention frustrating, that you fail to either understand or accept my rooting interest and/or repeated thoughts on kstate, weber and the big 12. it's obvious you read some of my posts, since you occasionally respond to them, so i really don't understand how you can so persistently misunderstand them.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #43 on:** March 25, 2018, 05:21:45 PM »

sys, they are kind of hard to understand sometimes.

sys · « **Reply #44 on:** March 25, 2018, 05:24:16 PM »

Quote from: kso_FAN on March 25, 2018, 05:21:45 PM

sys, they are kind of hard to understand sometimes.

i don't see how, i'm certainly not being cryptic. you people have like a mental block or something.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #45 on:** March 25, 2018, 05:40:48 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 25, 2018, 04:54:40 PM

i find it amazing, not to mention frustrating, that you fail to either understand or accept my rooting interest and/or repeated thoughts on kstate, weber and the big 12. it's obvious you read some of my posts, since you occasionally respond to them, so i really don't understand how you can so persistently misunderstand them.

Nah, I don't understand your issue a single bit. I get rusty's, I don't agree but I get it. You, no clue other than he's a proxy for your anger from what Currie did to Frank.

chum1 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 25, 2018, 05:41:17 PM »

I don't know sys's views on any of those things lol

michigancat · « **Reply #47 on:** March 25, 2018, 05:43:43 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 25, 2018, 04:34:52 PM

Quote from: wetwillie on March 25, 2018, 04:31:23 PM
What kenpom was Butler in 2010 sys?

12th (22.45). they were 38th (15.78) in 2009, so there's a team that made a jump from where kstate 2018 is to where people want kstate 2019 to be.

2014 KSU was 45 (14.10)
2018 KSU was 41 (14.78)

losing sprads and shane hurt a bunch

sys · « **Reply #48 on:** March 25, 2018, 05:46:00 PM »

like, most of you have teams you don't like and you enjoy rooting against them, right. maybe ku or mu or ou. someone.

you don't hate their coach, you don't think he sucks. you don't hate their players, you don't think they suck. you aren't waiting for them to be slightly better so you can switch and suddenly start wanting them to win.

that's how i feel about kstate.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #49 on:** March 25, 2018, 05:54:46 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 25, 2018, 05:46:00 PM

like, most of you have teams you don't like and you enjoy rooting against them, right. maybe ku or mu or ou. someone.

you don't hate their coach, you don't think he sucks. you don't hate their players, you don't think they suck. you aren't waiting for them to be slightly better so you can switch and suddenly start wanting them to win.

that's how i feel about kstate.

But why? Because of John and Frank still?