oscar still sucks

[wetwillie]

Holy crap the 76-77 team fell just short at 24 despite winning  at a higher clip than 17-18!

[wetwillie]

FSD how come the 71-72 cats elite eight team won 13% more games than the 17-18 cats and still fell 2 short of the elusive 25 win mark?

lack of effort.

More like Jack Half Hartman amirite?!

[michigancat]

The 2011 Big12 conference was shitty as a whole compared to this season. Don't judge it solely on a 5 seed we were given. Only  4 of our 16 games in Big 12 were vs Tourney teams. We were not a top 20 team. We lost to 5th place CU all 3 times. 

that team finished #32 in KenPom, this team finished #42. FWIW

also check your stats

Great. KenPom had that team higer.  Is that your 100% reasoning why it's better.

That's like , Joe Smith, exclusively saying this was better than 2011 because Elite 8 vs Rd of 32

well I wasn't making the argument that 2018 was worse than 2011, but 2011 did have a higher conference win percentage, higher conference finish, and beat better teams as well. 2011 and 2018 were really pretty similar overall if you compare season to season. You could make the argument that this season was worse than every Frank team but one if you ignore UMBC.

[sys]

since 2007, we've had a lot of kp 20, 30 and 40 seasons and those are generally pretty good little seasons.  it's the 50+ seasons where people have generally been disappointed and the lone shining kp top 10 season that stick out.

[sys]

not to say that i think kp 23 team is the same as a kp 42 team, because i definitely don't.  but depending on luck, your priorities and your attitude, both can be pretty easy to be happy about.

[wetwillie]

Can you rank the teams from 2007-2008 to now in order of final kenpom ranking?

[catastrophe]

Amazing

https://twitter.com/DScottFritchen/status/977735056486752256?s=19

Yeah, I’ve been a pretty big oscar-pologist tonight, but he better not dare wave that “total wins” stat around with the utterly crappy non-con we played which definitely cost us seeding in the tournament.

[sys]

Can you rank the teams from 2007-2008 to now in order of final kenpom ranking?

i would be delighted to do so.  i'll include the underlying kenpom score, which is a better comparative measure than the rank, imo (but ordering them by rank, as requested).

2010,  6th, 25.52 - martin
2012, 23rd, 17.52 - martin
2008, 26th, 18.90 - martin
2013, 27th, 18.16 - weber
2017, 30th, 17.44 - weber
2011, 32nd, 17.42 - martin
2018, 42nd, 14.83 - weber
2014, 45th, 14.10 - weber
2009, 51st, 14.18 - martin
2016, 55th, 13.46 - weber
2007, 57th, 13.71 - huggins
2015, 81st,  8.18 - weber

[Powercat Posse]

The 2011 Big12 conference was shitty as a whole compared to this season. Don't judge it solely on a 5 seed we were given. Only  4 of our 16 games in Big 12 were vs Tourney teams. We were not a top 20 team. We lost to 5th place CU all 3 times. 

that team finished #32 in KenPom, this team finished #42. FWIW

also check your stats

Great. KenPom had that team higer.  Is that your 100% reasoning why it's better.

That's like , Joe Smith, exclusively saying this was better than 2011 because Elite 8 vs Rd of 32

well I wasn't making the argument that 2018 was worse than 2011, but 2011 did have a higher conference win percentage, higher conference finish, and beat better teams as well. 2011 and 2018 were really pretty similar overall if you compare season to season. You could make the argument that this season was worse than every Frank team but one if you ignore UMBC.

2011 finished 4th in a much weaker league
2018 finished 4th in a strong round robin format

2011 team finished year with 23 wins (3 Q1 4 Q2 win)

2018 finished with 25 wins (6 Q1 and 5 Q2 wins)

More wins. Better wins.
You want to compare 2018 with other Frank years??

[Trim]

You know who also really whipped ass along w/KSU this season?  FSU and Leonard Hamilton.  I can see why the nation is really impressed with what both of those squads accomplished in 17-18.

[michigancat]

The 2011 Big12 conference was shitty as a whole compared to this season. Don't judge it solely on a 5 seed we were given. Only  4 of our 16 games in Big 12 were vs Tourney teams. We were not a top 20 team. We lost to 5th place CU all 3 times. 

that team finished #32 in KenPom, this team finished #42. FWIW

also check your stats

Great. KenPom had that team higer.  Is that your 100% reasoning why it's better.

That's like , Joe Smith, exclusively saying this was better than 2011 because Elite 8 vs Rd of 32

well I wasn't making the argument that 2018 was worse than 2011, but 2011 did have a higher conference win percentage, higher conference finish, and beat better teams as well. 2011 and 2018 were really pretty similar overall if you compare season to season. You could make the argument that this season was worse than every Frank team but one if you ignore UMBC.

2011 finished 4th in a much weaker league
2018 finished 4th in a strong round robin format

2011 team finished year with 23 wins (3 Q1 4 Q2 win)

2018 finished with 25 wins (6 Q1 and 5 Q2 wins)

More wins. Better wins.
You want to compare 2018 with other Frank years??

2011 had 5 Q1 wins (Gonzaga, @UT, KU, USU, @WSU), 2 of which were more difficult than any win on this year's team. This year's team didn't have a loss as bad as away at OSU in 2011, although maybe Tulsa was worse.

And come on, total wins? 2011 played Gonzaga, Duke, Florida, and UNLV in the OOC.

In all seriousness, it's probably a coin flip between the two seasons. (but please don't try to make your point by making up stats or citing incredibly dumb ones)

[Powercat Posse]

RealTimeRPI and WarrenNolan were almost identical on RPI rankings.  So I had at Wsu as 82 (a Q2) and Zags as 56 on neutral (Q2 also)

Even if you have both of them Q1....
It's 5/2 (2011) vs 6/5 (2018) on Q1/Q2.

2011 had a lot of non important, non qualified wins.
2018 team won 4 neutral court games in March, not 1 like 2011 (B12/NCAA)

[sys]

i don't want to deign to look at rpi's, so from kp, 2011 was better in "a" games, 2018 better in "b" games.

[michigancat]

2011 had a lot of non important, non qualified wins.
2018 team won 4 neutral court games in March, not 1 like 2011 (B12/NCAA)

Good grief

[sys]

2011 had a lot of non important, non qualified wins.
2018 team won 4 neutral court games in March, not 1 like 2011 (B12/NCAA)

2011 beat loyola-chicago, 2018 didn't.

[The Big Train]

I wanted to wait until I cooled off before I posted anything.  I completely agree with this thread title.  Yes, it was a successful season.  Yes, we had an easy road and would have gotten crushed had we played Virginia.  Yes, we made the elite 8 and I was on board.

All of that stated, oscar still sucks.  This doesn’t change my perception of him at all.  One year doesn’t change who he is, a weird little eff face with a scratchy voice and money stealing dick.  I’m more optimistic for next than I have ever been with oscar but my opinion of him has not changed.

[wetwillie]

he’s won a league title, got to an elite 8, made the tourney 4/6 and very likely 5/7.  He’s recruiting guys good enough to play in the NBA.  If you don’t like him fine, he’s not very likable, but to say he sucks is hilarious and just not true. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Claws didn't play our last 5 games.

[The Big Train]

I can say whatever I want because you know what, it’s my rough ridin' opinion.  oscar does suck.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I think this board unduly prejudices and shapes malleable weak minds, like TBT's.  If this was a KKK/nazi board (and I'm not saying it may not be), he'd be running around in a white hood screaming hail hitler.

[IPA4Me]

Meh. I don't think he sucks. He's a dork, but I think he and his staff are doing ok at this point.

[Cire]

We are set up for a great year next season but I will be completely not shocked if/when it essentially exactly the same other than we get bounced early in the 12-4 game.


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[michigancat]

Meh. I don't think he sucks. He's a dork, but I think he and his staff are doing ok at this point.

It's definitely more accurate to say "oscar does ok" than to say he sucks. But the overall point of this thread is that these last four games have told us nothing new about oscar as a coach, good or bad. He's the same boring old ok coach he's always been.

[wetwillie]

please change thread title to oscar is still ok

[michigancat]

please change thread title to oscar is still ok

No