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The Rattler - Nigel Shadd
« on: September 14, 2017, 06:15:54 PM »
A rattlesnake is actual a good looking animal, until it strikes.  Shadd is a good looking kid, and a young 17.  But he has the tools to be deadly to opponents.
Oscar QUOTE: “We feel like Nigel is a perfect replacement for D.J. (Johnson) with a similar body,” Weber said. “He is very strong and athletic and will give us a tremendous presence on the inside. He is very physical in the post and a big-time rebounder. He just loves to rebound. He also plays very hard. We feel like his best basketball is ahead of him.”
He 6-9 with a 7-3 wingspan.  Claws says he is better and stronger coming in as a freshman than he was.  He was the second best player at the AZ all star game.
He went to a small Christian scool and did not get much notice.  He plays for God.  He will make other coaches use God's name in vain.


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Re: The Rattler - Nigel Shadd
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2017, 07:09:33 PM »
Haha, comical.  His HS played against the weakest competition in the state of Arizona.  They didn't play one school from the AIA, which is the equivalent of the KSHSAA.  Some of the opponents he faced has girls on their team because they could not field a full boy's squad. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!

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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2017, 07:12:18 PM »
He was the second best player in the All Star game for Christian HS's, not among every HS in Arizona.  If he is the second best player to come out of the state last year, then AZ has really fallen off in terms of talent.  But that is not the case, as he was far from the 2nd best player.  Not even top 25. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!

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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2017, 08:48:10 PM »
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Re: The Rattler - Nigel Shadd
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2017, 08:50:55 PM »
http://www.azpreps365.com/articles/6976-talking-stick-to-host-all-star-basketball-showcase
This was an elite showcase all star game in Arizona.  Foster was a butt wart in a Texas backwater town.  Sometimes some good players get overlooked.  IMO Shadd is one.  We will see how it plays out.

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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2017, 11:01:05 PM »
he better be good.
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Re: The Rattler - Nigel Shadd
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2017, 11:09:28 PM »
Chandler Tri-City Christian's Nigel Shadd joined Chandler Basha big man Gabe McGlothan on the same team for the first time since they were freshmen playing in a club event.

Shadd, a 6-foot-9, 239-pound senior forward, and McGlothan looked like they'd been teammates throughout high school as they teamed up to lead the Blue team to a 90-78 victory over the White team in Arizona's inaugural The Show, a high school all-star basketball game,  on Thursday at Talking Stick Resort Arena.

Shadd had 18 points and 12 rebounds, while McGlothan had an array of blocked shots and dunks, including a one-handed dunk late in the game on an alley-oop feed from Glendale Apollo senior guard Holland Woods.

"It's nice to play with these group of guys," said Shadd, who has signed to play at Kansas State.

Shadd was the marquee player in the lesser-publicized Canyon Athletic Association, while McGlothan emerged as an All-Arizona player this year, leading Basha to a 30-1 record and its first 6A state championship.

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2017, 10:25:19 AM »
The league the Rattler played in is called the Canyon Athletic Association and it is known to be better talent than the AIA for schools under 1500 students. Less rules like transfers don't have to sit out. Even though he is from a small Christian school, his school played up multiple divisions in a division that allows national prep programs. Only one other Christian school on his entire schedule according to MaxPreps. Looked like mostly inner-city teams. Last year he played Aspire Prep who moved to Kentucky this year and is likely going to be a Top 5 prep program in America this season. Looks like he went for 21 pts, 15 rebs, 5 blks against their big front line including a kid going to UAB. Some video highlights online.

According to ArizonaVarsity.com, he was the 3rd best player in the entire state last year behind a kid going to Arizona and one to Vanderbilt. ArizonaPreps rates him high, Scout, 24/7 and Rivals all have him at the top in AZ. Also was selected on the Pangos All-American Camp which is a prestigious west coast event filled with 4/5 stars. He was named Honorable Mention there. That All-Star game mentioned WAS the best players in AZ. Basha is a school with 3000+ students.

You got me checking and google is amazing. Doesn't mean the Rattler will bite anyone this year but you are delerious.

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Re: The Rattler - Nigel Shadd
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2017, 12:21:31 PM »
Shadd doesn't have to be great for 40 minutes, just in flashes.  Mantool, Human Hyena, and Meatart will back his position by committee.  We have not had any post depth since Jordan and Gip.

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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2017, 01:50:33 PM »
The league the Rattler played in is called the Canyon Athletic Association and it is known to be better talent than the AIA for schools under 1500 students. Less rules like transfers don't have to sit out. Even though he is from a small Christian school, his school played up multiple divisions in a division that allows national prep programs. Only one other Christian school on his entire schedule according to MaxPreps. Looked like mostly inner-city teams. Last year he played Aspire Prep who moved to Kentucky this year and is likely going to be a Top 5 prep program in America this season. Looks like he went for 21 pts, 15 rebs, 5 blks against their big front line including a kid going to UAB. Some video highlights online.

According to ArizonaVarsity.com, he was the 3rd best player in the entire state last year behind a kid going to Arizona and one to Vanderbilt. ArizonaPreps rates him high, Scout, 24/7 and Rivals all have him at the top in AZ. Also was selected on the Pangos All-American Camp which is a prestigious west coast event filled with 4/5 stars. He was named Honorable Mention there. That All-Star game mentioned WAS the best players in AZ. Basha is a school with 3000+ students.

You got me checking and google is amazing. Doesn't mean the Rattler will bite anyone this year but you are delerious.

Well, I'm in Arizona and I can tell you that your assessment is wrong.  That All Star game was not the best players in Arizona, because the two best players on the state were not there, in Ayton and Barcello.  The competition Shadd played against was not elite.  He did not go to a high school, he went to an Academy housed in at a church.  He went to a school that has 20 faculty, for grades K-12.  And played against the same size and style of schools that he attended.  Not a part of the AIA, which is where normal kids go to school here in the state.  Kids like Richard Jefferson, Mike Bibby, Jerryd Bayless, and Sean Elliott.  Shadd benefited by being 6'8" in a division where most teams didn't have anyone over 6'2" and some were even reduced to throwing girls out there to guard him and avoid forfeiting the game due to lack of players. 

The fact that the comment was made that he hadn't played with or against those other high school players since the club days long before high school says it all.  He wasn't even on an AAU team in between school.  Meanwhile other kids are traveling and playing year round against 10x the level of competition Shadd ever faced.  Ayton was playing nationally and a McDonald All American.  Not playing year round probably explains his inability to make FT's.  Hopefully oscar can fix that, because his percentage from the charity strip is beyond embarrassing. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!

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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2017, 01:57:14 PM »
Wow, look that that offer list. Looks like Oscar's extension for recruiting purposes is paying off already  :love:

Kansas State
Cal State Fullerton
Grand Canyon
Northern Colorado
Pacific
Texas-Pan American
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2017, 03:20:13 PM »

Well, I'm in Arizona and I can tell you that your assessment is wrong.  That All Star game was not the best players in Arizona, because the two best players on the state were not there, in Ayton and Barcello.  The competition Shadd played against was not elite.  He did not go to a high school, he went to an Academy housed in at a church.  He went to a school that has 20 faculty, for grades K-12.  And played against the same size and style of schools that he attended.  Not a part of the AIA, which is where normal kids go to school here in the state.  Kids like Richard Jefferson, Mike Bibby, Jerryd Bayless, and Sean Elliott.  Shadd benefited by being 6'8" in a division where most teams didn't have anyone over 6'2" and some were even reduced to throwing girls out there to guard him and avoid forfeiting the game due to lack of players. 

The fact that the comment was made that he hadn't played with or against those other high school players since the club days long before high school says it all.  He wasn't even on an AAU team in between school.  Meanwhile other kids are traveling and playing year round against 10x the level of competition Shadd ever faced.  Ayton was playing nationally and a McDonald All American.  Not playing year round probably explains his inability to make FT's.  Hopefully oscar can fix that, because his percentage from the charity strip is beyond embarrassing. 

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I played HS ball in AZ and still have family there. (Shout out to them for some of this info) I wasn't saying Shadd's competition is elite. It is just much better than the lowest level in AZ. For example, this summer Shadd's high school, now without Shadd, beat 6A power Cesar Chavez who was 24-5 last season. They also blew out Queen Creek in the Best In Basketball Summer Invitational. In the Summer 64, they beat schools like Goldwater, Alhambra, Copper Canyon and lost to Mesa HS. These are reported on social media. Those are big schools in AZ. There are 6 Divisions in the AIA over 200 boys teams and 3 in the CAA of 80 boys teams for HS basketball in AZ. The top level of the CAA where Shadd played has consistently beaten AIA 3A and 4A teams in fall leagues and summer tournaments. Since the top level of CAA allows national prep teams, maxpreps shows Shadd played Westwind Prep, Planet Athlete (South Pointe), Phase One, Student Choice and Aspire Prep. Most of the players on those rosters are from out of the country here to play basketball.

Tri-City Christian Academy is a K-12 school that has been around since the 1970s. Its not big but it is a traditional private school not a basketball academy. They do not play the same style schools, look at their schedule. Maybe you are unfamiliar with many of the new charter schools but West Phoenix HS, Southwest Leadership, Skyline Prep and South Pointe in south phoenix are not even close to a small, private school in Chandler. Those rosters are full of athletes from tough areas. Metro Tech HS in central phx had been in Shadd's division for years and they have 1800 students. There is no chance a girl played in a boys HS game in the top division of the CAA. One of Shadd's teammates also went D1 the year before and was also rated Top 5 for his class in AZ.

Biggest mistake in your post is regarding Shadd's AAU play. He played multiple years for the Arizona Magic which just changed their name to The Factory last season. The same club where Isaiah Thomas (Celtics/Cavs) and Richard Jefferson played. That club is the most successful in AZ history and known for having the best big men in AZ on it especially in recent years. Guys Shadd worked with in his club are Humphrey at Stanford, Adams at Southern Utah, Ondigo at Texas Tech. That club team is not on the shoe circuit but they do travel the country and play top competition. I will even attach a picture of Shadd from a club event where he played Marvin Bagley. Bagley is only the #1 rated player in the country this year who just committed to Duke. This picture was at the tip of the championship game of a club event two years ago. Shadd was praised by media covering the event for holding Bagley to 12-14 points although Bagley's team won the game by 2. Combine that with the Pangos AA event and you are talking about some pretty good competition. For the record, Shadd was one of a few McDonald's All-American nominees last season from Arizona.

None of this means he can do it at this level. Most big men take time and he will probably be no different. His length, physical strength and athleticism will help in the transition. However, it looks and sounds like the kid has done a little more at a much high level than you are giving him credit for in his career.

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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2017, 05:34:12 PM »

Well, I'm in Arizona and I can tell you that your assessment is wrong.  That All Star game was not the best players in Arizona, because the two best players on the state were not there, in Ayton and Barcello.  The competition Shadd played against was not elite.  He did not go to a high school, he went to an Academy housed in at a church.  He went to a school that has 20 faculty, for grades K-12.  And played against the same size and style of schools that he attended.  Not a part of the AIA, which is where normal kids go to school here in the state.  Kids like Richard Jefferson, Mike Bibby, Jerryd Bayless, and Sean Elliott.  Shadd benefited by being 6'8" in a division where most teams didn't have anyone over 6'2" and some were even reduced to throwing girls out there to guard him and avoid forfeiting the game due to lack of players. 

The fact that the comment was made that he hadn't played with or against those other high school players since the club days long before high school says it all.  He wasn't even on an AAU team in between school.  Meanwhile other kids are traveling and playing year round against 10x the level of competition Shadd ever faced.  Ayton was playing nationally and a McDonald All American.  Not playing year round probably explains his inability to make FT's.  Hopefully oscar can fix that, because his percentage from the charity strip is beyond embarrassing. 


I played HS ball in AZ and still have family there. (Shout out to them for some of this info) I wasn't saying Shadd's competition is elite. It is just much better than the lowest level in AZ. For example, this summer Shadd's high school, now without Shadd, beat 6A power Cesar Chavez who was 24-5 last season. They also blew out Queen Creek in the Best In Basketball Summer Invitational. In the Summer 64, they beat schools like Goldwater, Alhambra, Copper Canyon and lost to Mesa HS. These are reported on social media. Those are big schools in AZ. There are 6 Divisions in the AIA over 200 boys teams and 3 in the CAA of 80 boys teams for HS basketball in AZ. The top level of the CAA where Shadd played has consistently beaten AIA 3A and 4A teams in fall leagues and summer tournaments. Since the top level of CAA allows national prep teams, maxpreps shows Shadd played Westwind Prep, Planet Athlete (South Pointe), Phase One, Student Choice and Aspire Prep. Most of the players on those rosters are from out of the country here to play basketball.

Tri-City Christian Academy is a K-12 school that has been around since the 1970s. Its not big but it is a traditional private school not a basketball academy. They do not play the same style schools, look at their schedule. Maybe you are unfamiliar with many of the new charter schools but West Phoenix HS, Southwest Leadership, Skyline Prep and South Pointe in south phoenix are not even close to a small, private school in Chandler. Those rosters are full of athletes from tough areas. Metro Tech HS in central phx had been in Shadd's division for years and they have 1800 students. There is no chance a girl played in a boys HS game in the top division of the CAA. One of Shadd's teammates also went D1 the year before and was also rated Top 5 for his class in AZ.

Biggest mistake in your post is regarding Shadd's AAU play. He played multiple years for the Arizona Magic which just changed their name to The Factory last season. The same club where Isaiah Thomas (Celtics/Cavs) and Richard Jefferson played. That club is the most successful in AZ history and known for having the best big men in AZ on it especially in recent years. Guys Shadd worked with in his club are Humphrey at Stanford, Adams at Southern Utah, Ondigo at Texas Tech. That club team is not on the shoe circuit but they do travel the country and play top competition. I will even attach a picture of Shadd from a club event where he played Marvin Bagley. Bagley is only the #1 rated player in the country this year who just committed to Duke. This picture was at the tip of the championship game of a club event two years ago. Shadd was praised by media covering the event for holding Bagley to 12-14 points although Bagley's team won the game by 2. Combine that with the Pangos AA event and you are talking about some pretty good competition. For the record, Shadd was one of a few McDonald's All-American nominees last season from Arizona.

None of this means he can do it at this level. Most big men take time and he will probably be no different. His length, physical strength and athleticism will help in the transition. However, it looks and sounds like the kid has done a little more at a much high level than you are giving him credit for in his career.
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Did you actually watch the All Star game?  It was basically Phoenix vs. Tucson, which you should know the talent coming out of AZ is nothing to brag about, much less out of Tucson.  Not only that, but Tucson did not have any of third top players in Miller, Deng, or Beskind.  Of course Phx and Shadd's squad didn't have Ayton or Barcello.  And if you watched the game you will see what I am talking about.  It's a lot like watching a oscar Weber coached team, so I guess you could say Nigel will fit right in.  At least we beat N. Colorado finally in the recruitment of Shadd.  That All Star game though.  A 2 man officiating crew, with about 50 in attendance, on an NBA court, where everyone of them thinks they are Curry and shoot it from pro range, which I don't remember anyone making even one, so there were rebounds galore.  Shadd air balled at least two that I can recall from inside of 10 feet.  Turned it over probably 3 times simply fumbling it out of bounds when he had a wide open dunk.  He's not quick, just long, runs awkward, and is not very aggressive. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!

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Re: The Rattler - Nigel Shadd
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2017, 12:27:04 AM »
Saying Shadd runs awkward and is not quick is the opposite of what all of the video shows and scouts have written on him. Question his skill but no way you can question his athleticism, length, and strength for an incoming freshman.

I don't put stock in a HS All-Star game but that Pangos video that is posted here means substantially more. That is a top event every year filled with guys who eventually star in the NBA, James Harden and Russell Westbrook are examples. Only 125 players nationally get invited, typically based on performance at the AAU level, which I know you think he didn't play. Shadd was named Honorable Mention at the camp so basically the top half of players who attended.

Look at who these highlights were against. Makes them a whole lot nicer. 1st block in those highlights against the guy trying to dunk is against #86 Royce Hamm, 6-8, 4-star committed to Texas. Nice post move right after is against #74 Tyler Polley, 6-8, 4-star committed to UConn. Next block is against #45 Gary Trent Jr, 5-star guard maybe the best 2-guard in the country who's heading to Duke. Next post score against #104 Nathan Mensah, 6-10, 4-star down to Oregon, SD State.

That competition is legit. You can't question or downplay those guys. Plus Courtside Films felt it was good enough to do a video on Shadd.

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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2017, 12:37:19 AM »
Not sure this video link will work but it is another highlight of Shadd from the Pangos event. That tip dunk is on 6'9" Dhamir Cosby-Roundtree who is committed to Villanova. Video/Tweet from Nigel's club coach.

https://twitter.com/Factorybball/status/739291697457156097

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Re: The Rattler - Nigel Shadd
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2017, 12:50:49 AM »
Video Highlights of Shadd and his high school team against Aspire Prep National team last season. Aspire Prep front line had 6'7", 6'8", 6'9", 6'11". Shadd blocks a big man near the top of the square and then runs down the court (doesn't look awkward running to me) to throw down the tip dunk. I realize HS ball isn't college and definitely not the Big 12 but if this is the worst competition in AZ, the state must be loaded. There are very few guys on the court for either team under 6'2".



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Re: The Rattler - Nigel Shadd
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2017, 02:53:15 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2017, 09:30:55 AM »
One comment in this thread made me check the population in AZ.  (Did you actually watch the All Star game?  It was basically Phoenix vs. Tucson) 
From Wickpedia:  Metropolitan Phoenix (4.3 million) and Tucson (1 million) are home to about five-sixths of Arizona's people (as of the 2010 census). Metro Phoenix alone accounts for two-thirds of the state's population.

Comments from Eric Bosse at the Pangos camp.  With 120 players there, it's a good sign to even get mentioned by a guy like Bossi.

A pair of class of 2017 bigs from Arizona, 6-foot-8 power forward Nigel Shadd and 6-foot-10 center Malik Ondigo, are intriguing. Shedd is a solidly built and tough three-star prospect who plays with good energy. Ondigo was originally in the class of 2016 but will do a year of prep school. He's a long strider who can really move in transition, has bounce around the rim and a body to grow on. Among the programs to indicate they'll watch the duo in July are USC, Arizona State, Colorado, Wake Forest, Missouri, Georgia Tech, Baylor, SMU and Wichita State.

Shadd has said his role this year will be rebounding and defense and Weber has said the guys who rebound will get playing time.  We'll find out who those guys are pretty soon.
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