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Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« on: March 25, 2017, 11:30:27 PM »
Direct quote from Masa Self


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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2017, 11:32:28 PM »
7 times a 1 seed....07,08,10,11,13,16,17.
1 Final Four

2 seed in 14 & 15, lost in 2nd round
2x lost in 1st rd as a 3,4 seed
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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2017, 12:19:36 AM »
Six 1 seeds say far more about his coaching ability than the number of final fours

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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2017, 12:48:31 AM »
Great Reg season coach... 13x big 12 champ

Postseason... Meh....
Only 1 for 7 getting his 1 seed to the FF isn't good
Then 4 tourneys they underachieved


They were very lucky Memphis choked 9 pt lead with 2:10 to play..... Otherwise, no Self title in 14 years.
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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2017, 12:53:49 AM »
Six 1 seeds say far more about his coaching ability than the number of final fours

Getting a 1 seed is akin to rankings/polls

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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2017, 01:21:54 AM »
Brooks, Dorsey, Bell...

68.9% eFG, 23 Rebounds, 9 assists, 8 block shots.

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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2017, 03:30:47 AM »
Ku didn't even shoot 40% eFG.
They were tied 16-16. Then got Outscored 45-31 the next 21minutes.
The headlight breaker, the expired tag maker, and the kick my GF in face sucker...Were a combined 5-23 FG. That's Jackson, Graham, Vick for you out of the loop peeps
They scored 64 pts in 22 minutes vs Purdue. Only hit 60 in 40 full minutes tonight

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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2017, 03:46:26 AM »
2005.. lose to 14 seed as a 3
2006...Lose to a 13 as a 4
2007... Lose to a 2 as a 1
2010...Lose to a 9 as a 1
2011.. lose to 11 as a 1 in E8
2013.. lose to 4 as 1 in S16
2014...Lose to 10 as 2 in RD32
2015...Lose to 7 as 2 in RD32
2016..Lose to 2 as a 1 in E8
2017..Lose to 3 as a 1 in E8.

So Self...
Has lost 2 rounds early in 6 seasons (According to the seed)
Also lost to a team 10 spots lower (1 vs 11) another year
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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2017, 04:41:18 AM »
Six 1 seeds say far more about his coaching ability than the number of final fours
no really when you're pretty much guaranteed a 9-0 conference home slate.
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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2017, 07:51:55 AM »
Six 1 seeds say far more about his coaching ability than the number of final fours
no really when you're pretty much guaranteed a 9-0 conference home slate.

And 3-4 losses turned into wins solely by horribly shady officiating
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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2017, 08:56:53 AM »
Basketball predictions blog guy:

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I've debunked these sorts of narratives before, and the way to analyze NCAA Tournament performance is to use Performance Against Seed Expectation. How has Self done? As a Kansas coach, he's been expected to win 37.4 games and has won 33. If we throw in his other coaching stops he's been expected to win 45.3 games and has won 43. In other words, he's won ever so slightly fewer games than expected against some extraordinarily good seeds. In 14 seasons he's had a 1 seed seven times and has never been below a 4 seed. That is remarkable.

So don't fall for these sorts of dumb narratives about coaches. The reason Self's tournament losses are always upsets is because he's always favored. The coach who has the most losses in upsets, or who loses the most in late NCAA Tournament rounds, is by definition a fantastic coach. You've got to get to those games to lose them.

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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2017, 09:05:46 AM »
I don't know, ku fans spent all season pointing out how they're the only school to win 13 conference titles in a row besides UCLA. It's only fair that we let them do that, but also compare their NCAA tournament records in those 13 seasons.

UCLA 1967-79 vs KU 2005-17

NCAA titles
UCLA: 8
KU: 1

Final Four
UCLA: 10
KU: 2

Elite 8
UCLA: 11
KU: 6
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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2017, 09:44:03 AM »
Between all the KU fans who want Self fired.  Between all the fans who conjure up unbelievable excuses as to why they can't get it done with every possible advantage . . . combined with their Baylor Lite mentality. 

It really is hard to TSC. #frown


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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2017, 09:55:39 AM »
I don't know, ku fans spent all season pointing out how they're the only school to win 13 conference titles in a row besides UCLA. It's only fair that we let them do that, but also compare their NCAA tournament records in those 13 seasons.

UCLA 1967-79 vs KU 2005-17

NCAA titles
UCLA: 8
KU: 1

Final Four
UCLA: 10
KU: 2

Elite 8
UCLA: 11
KU: 6

It is remarkable that difference, though I would like to point out that UCLA was in a tourny with anywhere between 22 to 40 teams during it's run. Not saying that the lesser amount of teams/rounds is the major reason why UCLA got so many titles and FF (if it did, then why did no other team even come close to that, including the mighty squacks), but there needs to be a slight handicapped added to it.

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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2017, 10:16:06 AM »
Six 1 seeds say far more about his coaching ability than the number of final fours
no really when you're pretty much guaranteed a 9-0 conference home slate.

And 3-4 losses turned into wins solely by horribly shady officiating

What a couple of dip shits

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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2017, 11:11:23 AM »
Six 1 seeds say far more about his coaching ability than the number of final fours
no really when you're pretty much guaranteed a 9-0 conference home slate.

And 3-4 losses turned into wins solely by horribly shady officiating

What a couple of dip shits

Yeah those stats that Fan posted last year or the year before showing a clear bias are bullshit too.

Because nothing says everything is on the level like the most highly rated basketball conference (or top 3) consistently having only one team that can protect home court for over a DECADE.
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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2017, 11:45:03 AM »
#firebillself

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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2017, 12:31:03 PM »
I actually left out the 07 team. They were also a 1 seed. So he's had a 1 seed 7x at Ku ( I made changes above)

Incredible run being a 1 or 2 seed 10 of the last 11 seasons.  But the 2 FFs have Ku fans angered, and it probably should
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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2017, 12:34:45 PM »
Name the coaches and teams with more tournament wins than KU and bill self since his first NCAA appearance with KU in 2004
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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2017, 12:38:31 PM »
I think the protection they get at Allen hurts them in the tournament.


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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2017, 12:44:04 PM »
Point made WW.

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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2017, 12:44:41 PM »
The coaches above him are coaches at schools above KU.

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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2017, 12:49:38 PM »
The coaches above him are coaches at schools above KU.

KU fans probably wouldn't accept that statement but it is 100% true.   Being in the Top 5 is insanely good. 
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Re: Ku to the Final 4 .....Hell No!!
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2017, 12:55:05 PM »
Well KU fans a bit crazy. UConn has more titles than them for goodness sakes. All within the last 20 years.

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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2017, 12:58:19 PM »
Name the coaches and teams with more tournament wins than KU and bill self since his first NCAA appearance with KU in 2004

Self has 33 from 04-17

Cal has 40, Roy has 39. Those are the top 2.  Someone will get another W as they play today
Cal will be getting his 6th FF or Roy his 5th FF, in that 14 year span