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Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« Reply #700 on: March 28, 2017, 01:47:18 PM »
The teal!  :lol:
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Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« Reply #701 on: March 28, 2017, 02:05:52 PM »
That team sucked too. The losses of Hatcher and Davis from the previous NCAA season led to lowered expectations, but no one expected to be blown out by Wichita State, then have a string of 11 losses in 12 games, and overall finish the season losing 16 of our last 20 games. Only his last season was worse.

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« Reply #702 on: March 28, 2017, 02:17:08 PM »
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.

Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.

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« Reply #703 on: March 28, 2017, 02:26:48 PM »
our basketball arena was outfitted with teal accents and nobody GAF.

I legitimately do not remember the teal accents.  People talk about trying to block horrible memories and it looks like this is an example of where I have suceeded in doing so.

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« Reply #704 on: March 28, 2017, 02:32:45 PM »
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.

Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.

I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.


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Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« Reply #705 on: March 28, 2017, 02:33:06 PM »
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it


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Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« Reply #706 on: March 28, 2017, 02:38:15 PM »
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it

Yeah, I don't think our younger fans realize how bad it was. LA Gear, oh man.

Also, Asbury/Reebok tried some uniform combos, we wore grey/silver a couple of times and black once or twice as well. It was just that nobody cared or knew about it.

I mean, who wouldn't want to have this sweet jacket now?


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Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« Reply #707 on: March 28, 2017, 02:42:01 PM »
guys, oscar went 5-13 in conference last year

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« Reply #708 on: March 28, 2017, 02:52:54 PM »
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.

Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.

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« Reply #709 on: March 28, 2017, 02:53:14 PM »
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it

Yeah, I don't think our younger fans realize how bad it was. LA Gear, oh man.

Also, Asbury/Reebok tried some uniform combos, we wore grey/silver a couple of times and black once or twice as well. It was just that nobody cared or knew about it.

I mean, who wouldn't want to have this sweet jacket now?


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« Reply #710 on: March 28, 2017, 02:54:57 PM »
we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product

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« Reply #711 on: March 28, 2017, 02:55:39 PM »
guys, oscar went 5-13 in conference last year

Yeah, that's hard to forget.

I looked up all the sub .300 conference seasons in the last 30 years. Asbury had 3 in 6 seasons. Wooly had 2 in 6 seasons. Altman had 2 in 4 seasons.

Year   Coach   Wins   Losses   %age
2000   Asbury   2   14   0.125
1997   Asbury   3   13   0.188
1991   Altman   3   11   0.214
1995   Asbury   3   11   0.214
2001   Wooly   4   12   0.250
2003   Wooly   4   12   0.250
2016   Weber   5   13   0.278
1994   Altman   4   10   0.286

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Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« Reply #712 on: March 28, 2017, 03:00:39 PM »

I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.

I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to. 

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« Reply #713 on: March 28, 2017, 03:04:21 PM »
I know the stuff about oscar not wanting to get his hands dirty, etc. but at the end of the day he isn't a great recruiter. He isn't terrible either though, he's brought in decent talent here, good enough to win games. oscar's problem always seems to be the consistency of effort/intensity his teams play with during a season, at least in the last 12 seasons at Illinois/K-State.

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Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« Reply #714 on: March 28, 2017, 03:08:40 PM »
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it

Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« Reply #715 on: March 28, 2017, 03:10:02 PM »
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it

Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?

I'm pretty sure he's coaching Marcus Foster.

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Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« Reply #716 on: March 28, 2017, 03:10:36 PM »
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it

Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?

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« Reply #717 on: March 28, 2017, 03:11:49 PM »
wooly did a pretty damn good job recruiting. The fact that he got a guy like Hoskins so late in his shitty tenure was pretty remarkable.

oscar does OK, too.

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« Reply #718 on: March 28, 2017, 03:14:31 PM »
so maybe it's not that tough to recruit to a decent program in the country's best basketball conference



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« Reply #719 on: March 28, 2017, 03:35:36 PM »
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.

Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.

I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
And there is no way that he doesn't want to win.  You don't go into this (or really, any) profession where competition is key and not care about winning.  Now what he defines as successful, and how he works towards that goal can be debated endlessly. But to say a D-1 coach doesn't want to win is ludicrous. And I am not a fan of his, but the comparisons are not even remotely in the same ballpark.

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« Reply #720 on: March 28, 2017, 03:40:25 PM »
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it

That LA Gear deal reminds me of all the schools getting duped by Under Armour these days.

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« Reply #721 on: March 28, 2017, 03:41:57 PM »
I know the stuff about oscar not wanting to get his hands dirty, etc. but at the end of the day he isn't a great recruiter. He isn't terrible either though, he's brought in decent talent here, good enough to win games. oscar's problem always seems to be the consistency of effort/intensity his teams play with during a season, at least in the last 12 seasons at Illinois/K-State.

Look how his team preformed relative to their projected Kenpom scores. Look at its g-score ratings on http://barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Kansas+St. I don't think it is fair to say it is effort/intensity, one of the main reason that isn't his brand of basketball and it will never measure up to the Huggins coaching tree.

I don't think this team was wildly inconsistent outside of how poor they played at OU. I don't think it is fair to judge a season or team on one game. In total they seemed to be a pretty solid team that just wasn't good enough to make a push where fans wanted them to be in a loaded big 12. They stayed between 26-36 ranking the entire big 12 season and did that with no bench. Not having a bench and being decently young add to a normal amount inconsistency.

I think most of the issues with this team fall under the roster building. Having the roster flip over two years had a negative effect. The team had depth issues. The team had issues with having size, strength and athleticism at the post position. Team had point guard issues with only having Kam.

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Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
« Reply #722 on: March 28, 2017, 03:50:08 PM »
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it

That LA Gear deal reminds me of all the schools getting duped by Under Armour these days.
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« Reply #723 on: March 28, 2017, 07:38:39 PM »
we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product

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« Reply #724 on: March 28, 2017, 07:43:57 PM »

I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.

I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.

Am I crazy or did he recruit Marcus Foster and Westicles?