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Title: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: steve dave on February 27, 2017, 10:32:20 AM
2/27/2017

Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on February 27, 2017, 10:44:54 AM
he should have been fired by halftime of the ou game, vacation is no excuse with cell phones everywhere now a days
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: PIPE on February 27, 2017, 11:00:15 AM
Maybe he won't get fired?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on February 27, 2017, 11:05:57 AM
Waiting to see if we win the NCAAs.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 27, 2017, 11:08:07 AM
Sadly it won't be until we lose our opening round game Wednesday in the Big 12 tourney. Currie's ineptitude will give him the benefit of the doubt up until that point...which I bet we lose @TCU and at home in front of a half packed Bramlage against Tech on Senior day.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on February 27, 2017, 11:20:15 AM
Sadly it won't be until we lose our opening round game Wednesday in the Big 12 tourney. Currie's ineptitude will give him the benefit of the doubt up until that point...which I bet we lose @TCU and at home in front of a half packed Bramlage against Tech on Senior day.

I really don't care when he's fired, it doesn't matter that much. For a program like ours, firing before the end of the season could actually be detrimental to the process IMO. Either way, I don't think it matters that much except to us fans who want the coach gone.

The real issue is whether or not Currie has started the process behind the scenes like any competent AD would do at this point. He should be going through back channels to talk to agents, etc. about level of interest.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: KanSt43 on February 27, 2017, 11:20:56 AM
Worse thing that could happen (I say that hesitantly, because I want to make the NCAA's) is oscar winning the next 2 games and then one in the tourney.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ednksu on February 27, 2017, 11:27:13 AM
TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired.  Almost the most small timey thing we've done. 



I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on February 27, 2017, 11:28:49 AM
Who's the decider?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: KITNfury on February 27, 2017, 11:35:17 AM
TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired.  Almost the most small timey thing we've done. 



I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
Assuming we don't do what needs done to get to the NCAAs (which we won't), I want him fired before he gets to the locker room and the replacement announced less than 24 hours later just to drive home the point that he was a dead man walking for a while. Of course, I'm a Currie hater at this point too (probably unustified to a large degree, but whatevs), so I'd like them to help each other pack and move.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Shooter Jones on February 27, 2017, 11:36:52 AM
Guys, I'm flying in for the Big 12 tourney. If oscar gets fired while I'm there, let's crush beers together and I'll buy a mind erasing amount of shots for every one.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: BostonPancake on February 27, 2017, 11:39:06 AM
Looks like March 9th is starting to turn into a crappy day in the history of oscar's life.  Fired from Illinois on March 9th.  If things play out and we are playing on Wednesday in the Big12 tournament and lose, the next day is also March 9th.

Circle of life.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: rollingplains on February 27, 2017, 11:43:16 AM
2/27/2017

Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?


I dont understand the beef with oscar . Give the man a chance !!!   If things continue for another 5 or 6 years then its time to chop some heads....  :'bye cruel world: :'bye cruel world: oscar is such a nice a guy
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 27, 2017, 11:53:33 AM
2/27/2017

Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?


I dont understand the beef with oscar . Give the man a chance !!!   If things continue for another 5 or 6 years then its time to chop some heads....  :'bye cruel world: :'bye cruel world: oscar is such a nice a guy
Who invited this guy?

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: That_Guy on February 27, 2017, 12:04:20 PM
I'm gonna laugh and also maybe cry when Oscar isn't fired


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: manpow5 on February 27, 2017, 12:25:21 PM
2/27/2017

Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?


I dont understand the beef with oscar . Give the man a chance !!!   If things continue for another 5 or 6 years then its time to chop some heads....  :'bye cruel world: :'bye cruel world: oscar is such a nice a guy

I felt the same way about Turner Gill and the other hefty coach you had that's name was not Mangino... cannot remember his name now.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: #LIFE on February 27, 2017, 12:35:31 PM
http://jugofsnyder.com/2017/02/27/kansas-state-basketball-hot-seat/ (http://jugofsnyder.com/2017/02/27/kansas-state-basketball-hot-seat/)

Quote
Whether you love him or not, coach oscar Weber has won a lot of basketball games. He may be on the hot seat in Manhattan but it may not be time to make a coaching change.

First of all, some believe oscar Weber’s Wildcats exceeded expectations this season.

Kansas State started strong with a 12-1 mark entering conference play. Only a 1 point loss to a tough Maryland team kept them from a perfect record.

As a result, the  Associated Press recognized Kansas State for their hot start with 4 votes in the December 12, poll.

Also, the December 19, AP poll included the ‘Cats- with one vote.

Maybe fans should consider the national attention? Although it’s not huge, it certainly looked good at the time.

In October, coaches picked the Wildcats to finish 9th in the ten-team Big 12.  By comparison, the same poll predicted Texas and their big-time talent to finish third.

oscar Weber’s team is currently sitting tied for 6th with two games to play. Shaka Smart’s Longhorns are tied for the Big 12’s basement.

Since Texas underperformed,  maybe Smart should be on the hot seat rather than Weber?

The Wildcats play in the toughest conference in the country with an incredibly difficult round-robin schedule.

Ken Pomeroy, the guru who tracks college basketball strength of schedules and more keeps telling fans how good the basketball is in the Big 12..

 

 

 Follow
 Ken Pomeroy ? @kenpomeroy
Not only is the Big 12 the best conference, but it's the most exciting. 37% of games decided by 3 pts or less or in OT. No conference close.
5:25 PM - 25 Feb 2017
  471 471 Retweets   1,009 1,009 likes
 

It is especially important for fans to remember Weber picked up a milestone career victory this season. On December 6, Weber earned the 400th win of his coaching career when the ‘Cats beat Prairie View 74-55. There is something to be said for his experience.

Coach Weber knows how to win. Due to injury and other factors we have seen few wins in February. Fans are understandably angry. They expected much more from this senior class. Did they expected too much.

Finally, fans didn’t like Kansas State Athletic Director John Currie’s choice to replace Frank Martin.

Did you know Martin has not taken a team to the NCAA tournament since his final year at Kansas State?  His team went to NIT last season. They lost in the 2nd round.

It will be fascinating to see how Weber’s ‘Cats finish the regular season. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on February 27, 2017, 12:41:06 PM
:emawkid:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: slackcat on February 27, 2017, 12:42:33 PM
I'm sold!  Whip out the napkin Currie.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on February 27, 2017, 12:44:49 PM
did they expected too much
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: LickNeckey on February 27, 2017, 12:47:00 PM
https://twitter.com/swunruh

yeesh pretty low bar to write for the jug

bunch of ku posts and apparently follows some creepy swinger thing on twitter
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on February 27, 2017, 12:50:23 PM
How can you criticize Frank for going to the NIT last year when KSU wasn't even invited?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: dmartin on February 27, 2017, 01:16:54 PM
Looks like March 9th is starting to turn into a crappy day in the history of oscar's life.  Fired from Illinois on March 9th.  If things play out and we are playing on Wednesday in the Big12 tournament and lose, the next day is also March 9th.

Circle of life.

March 9th is Mrs. DMartin's birthday.  She probably wouldn't enjoy that present as much as I would, but she'd still be happy.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: deputy dawg on February 27, 2017, 01:38:51 PM
Worse thing that could happen (I say that hesitantly, because I want to make the NCAA's) is oscar winning the next 2 games and then one in the tourney.

Wow, I hate to think of the probability of that happening.  The agony of watching yet another men's BB team giving up on oscar.  Even my KU friends were expressing sympathy for the spectacle that took place in Norman on Saturday.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on February 27, 2017, 02:00:17 PM
I bet they have to wait until the Monday after the NCAA selection Sunday, but I am really looking forward to SD's daily updates and insights into possible causes of delays in the process.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on February 27, 2017, 02:12:07 PM
Maybe he is trying to.think of.a.creative way to.do it.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on February 27, 2017, 02:19:13 PM
I think a video on the jumbotron would be amazing. Maybe Trump saying you're fired. Them everyone throws chicken nuggets at him. I'll give him a hug on the way out to console him because I can't fathom how much that would suck.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on February 27, 2017, 02:19:39 PM
Or have the new coach just escort him from the bench and take his seat.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: O-town Kat on February 27, 2017, 03:19:11 PM
I think they keep him around for senior day, whack him on Sunday
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: manpow5 on February 27, 2017, 03:35:37 PM
Nice opinion article, Pete

http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2017/02/27/letter-to-the-editor-k-state-basketball-is-a-dumpster-fire/
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on February 27, 2017, 04:01:10 PM
For a program like ours, firing before the end of the season could actually be detrimental to the process IMO.

how so?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on February 27, 2017, 04:11:19 PM
TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired.  Almost the most small timey thing we've done. 



I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.

Small timely? He was given a benchmark and didn't reach it.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on February 27, 2017, 04:12:57 PM
For a program like ours, firing before the end of the season could actually be detrimental to the process IMO.

how so?

It's probably not a big deal, but some coaches (and possible candidates) don't like it.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on February 27, 2017, 06:29:34 PM
Nice opinion article, Pete

http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2017/02/27/letter-to-the-editor-k-state-basketball-is-a-dumpster-fire/

Different Pete!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: memphis on February 27, 2017, 07:13:00 PM
The Quatz would easily beat Missouri  :block:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Canary on February 27, 2017, 09:17:02 PM
Looks like March 9th is starting to turn into a crappy day in the history of oscar's life.  Fired from Illinois on March 9th.  If things play out and we are playing on Wednesday in the Big12 tournament and lose, the next day is also March 9th.

Circle of life.

March 9th is Mrs. DMartin's birthday.  She probably wouldn't enjoy that present as much as I would, but she'd still be happy.
My birthday as well.  There are a couple of things I'd like more for my birthday, but that would certainly make for a better day.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: _33 on February 27, 2017, 09:19:08 PM
Maybe fans should consider the national attention?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 28, 2017, 09:52:03 AM
Still not fired.  Wonder if he has been camping out at Curries waking up every day and making him breakfast, doing his laundry stuff like that.

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on February 28, 2017, 09:59:15 AM
Still not fired.  Wonder if he has been camping out at Curries waking up every day and making him breakfast, doing his laundry stuff like that.

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I'm thinking he's been holed up in his bedroom, staring into the mirror Stuart Smalley style, reaffirming his positive qualities.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 28, 2017, 11:25:02 AM
Not fired.... Why not?

No AD to fire him??
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on February 28, 2017, 11:25:27 AM
Not fired.... Why not?

No AD to fire him??


SD will update
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 28, 2017, 11:35:43 AM
oh go take a ride on a moped





 ;)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ednksu on February 28, 2017, 11:39:24 AM
TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired.  Almost the most small timey thing we've done. 



I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.

Small timely? He was given a benchmark and didn't reach it.

Zero issue with him being broken off, and as most, I think, agree, a year too late. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on February 28, 2017, 11:44:09 AM
oh go take a ride on a moped





 ;)


YOU HEARTLESS SON OF A BITCH!

 No, I just meant I am anxiously awaiting an SD update
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: steve dave on February 28, 2017, 11:55:48 AM
2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 28, 2017, 12:43:36 PM
Maybe fans should consider the national attention?

Dunno about you 33 but I can and do remember every team receiving votes for as far back as I can remember. Hell, I don't even waste my time with the top 25 I just go straight to the important ones... The RVs. You can't buy that kind of publicity
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: CNS on February 28, 2017, 12:48:52 PM
2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet

You guys!

 :billdance:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Gooch on February 28, 2017, 01:46:59 PM
2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet

You guys!

 :billdance:
Your back! I was beginning to think Trump had you deported.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pvegs on February 28, 2017, 02:22:28 PM
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ednksu on February 28, 2017, 02:24:01 PM
could it be happening already?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on February 28, 2017, 02:37:27 PM
Gosh I hope so. That'd be a pretty boss move by Laird.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: wetwillie on February 28, 2017, 02:38:53 PM
Gosh I hope so. That'd be a pretty boss move by Laird.

He would definitely have my attention
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: slackcat on February 28, 2017, 02:40:59 PM
Helping John pack.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on February 28, 2017, 02:41:30 PM
Yes indeed. Maybe it was a token of good will from Currie. To let him can oscar his first day acting AD and be in a spot to keep the job.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ednksu on February 28, 2017, 02:52:12 PM
Helping John pack.

It's like a bad sitcom where oscar is meekly handing his dad, JC, stuff who is being kicked out of the home for cheating with Sheila his secretary.  Currie is having to explain that it's not his fault when deep down inside JC knows oscar's constant need for mothering, weird speech tutor appointments, and a host of other doctors and therapists meant there wasn't enough time for daddy JC and momma KSU could work on their relationship. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: CNS on February 28, 2017, 03:18:14 PM
I can't wait for AD Weber to come in and eff up our assist AD's names during his first address as the new AD
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: CNS on February 28, 2017, 03:18:47 PM
2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet

You guys!

 :billdance:
Your back! I was beginning to think Trump had you deported.

I have a Coyote hook up now, if you ever need it.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on February 28, 2017, 03:21:47 PM
Fitz on whether oscar actually knows Kellis' or DScott's name from a twitter string. (since I know most of you are blocked).

Tim Fitzgerald? @LifeofFitz  6m6 minutes ago
He makes personal connections about as well as a Ford Taurus.

Wow.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on February 28, 2017, 03:22:54 PM
T-Y, fwn
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 3maw on February 28, 2017, 03:43:23 PM
checking this thread has given me more reason to get to bbs'ing early in the morning. ty for timely updates.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dlew12 on February 28, 2017, 03:45:40 PM
hopefully tommorrow
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ednksu on February 28, 2017, 03:50:06 PM
can someone help me out with the oscar lean back gif with the ref?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pvegs on February 28, 2017, 04:24:53 PM
Fitz on whether oscar actually knows Kellis' or DScott's name from a twitter string. (since I know most of you are blocked).

Tim Fitzgerald? @LifeofFitz  6m6 minutes ago
He makes personal connections about as well as a Ford Taurus.

Wow.

that was my pt saturday. you work with guys for 5 years and don't even know there names, jeesh.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: mocat on March 01, 2017, 10:45:07 AM
 :excited:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 02, 2017, 09:04:40 PM
Nice opinion article, Pete

http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2017/02/27/letter-to-the-editor-k-state-basketball-is-a-dumpster-fire/

Different Pete!

Our Pete would never write a letter to the Ed with me co-signing
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2017, 09:08:02 PM
3/2/17: nope still
Why not: general myers busy with hocutt woo'ing?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 03, 2017, 10:57:10 AM
GUYS today HAS to be the day right?
 :driving: :ksu: :cheers:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: cfbandyman on March 03, 2017, 11:01:15 AM
It's still not happening til our loss Wednesday, or Thursday depending on how tomorrow goes.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: PIPE on March 03, 2017, 11:07:55 AM
Anyone remember if Woolridge was allowed back on the bus after getting canned at the tournament?  Did he have to catch a cab?

That kid of firing would be glorious for 'ol Weber
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 03, 2017, 11:56:57 AM
Anyone remember if Woolridge was allowed back on the bus after getting canned at the tournament?  Did he have to catch a cab?

That kid of firing would be glorious for 'ol Weber
he was fired in the tunnel only seconds after the buzzer sounded - before he spoke to the team in the locker room and still did the post game radio show so I would hope he got a ride home from Dallas
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Brock Landers on March 03, 2017, 12:06:40 PM
Anyone remember if Woolridge was allowed back on the bus after getting canned at the tournament?  Did he have to catch a cab?

That kid of firing would be glorious for 'ol Weber
he was fired in the tunnel only seconds after the buzzer sounded - before he spoke to the team in the locker room and still did the post game radio show so I would hope he got a ride home from Dallas

I also vaguely recall a rumor he was not allowed to ride home with the team but I don't think that's true, at least I hope not.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2017, 12:17:23 PM
He came home with the team.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 03, 2017, 01:24:55 PM
He came home with the team.

It would be ridiculous if he didn't.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 03, 2017, 01:32:15 PM
I still don't believe there is anyway they have the courage to fire him if they make the tournament.  We won't know anything until the Monday after selection Sunday, at the earliest, IMO.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 03, 2017, 01:42:57 PM
If Brad was still at SFA oscar would need a Sweet Sixteen to save his job imo but without a slam dunk hire I think he survives. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 03, 2017, 02:47:53 PM
I would imagine we are putting out feelers with the very few number of realistic hires that would be considered a definite upgrade. If they're not interested I imagine we have oscar next year.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2017, 03:31:49 PM
3/2/17: still nope
Why not: signature victory of shitty TCU or some crap?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 03, 2017, 03:37:51 PM
I just hope the General keeps this thread going thru the op's day drinking window
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2017, 03:44:18 PM
someone take over while I'm in disney world this week. hopefully only need to do like 3 days and we can close it out. tia.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 04, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
The sun is up but gloom, dead squirrels, mangled birds, squished butterflies, and happy smiley possum face oscar still is here.  Professor SteveDave could Mickey Mouse be in the AD office instead of Disneyland?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 04, 2017, 10:02:41 AM
If oscar is down at half I will fire him before he can come out of the tunnel

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on March 04, 2017, 10:26:23 AM
If oscar is down at half I will fire him before he can come out of the tunnel

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Put him out to pasture, Greg.

*not sure if "out to pasture" is a cow or horse thing
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 04, 2017, 10:47:20 AM
If oscar is down at half I will fire him before he can come out of the tunnel

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At the very least, drop your sblhorts, hang the shineyhiney over the rail, and drop an organic brown bomb on oscar while mooing.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 04, 2017, 10:56:11 AM
Well said.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on March 04, 2017, 11:31:48 AM
Don't do anything that's gonna preclude you from getting to schemePAK, Greg.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on March 04, 2017, 12:56:54 PM
Greg??

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 04, 2017, 12:58:59 PM
Greg??

It wasn't me but I can confirm that was the same goon that took my mask last week.

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 04, 2017, 01:14:33 PM
Oh crap!!  Oscar has goons?  Do they come to Reno County?   Yow thats right .......keep Weber.  This explains a lot why oscar remains, the weiner mafia.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on March 04, 2017, 01:15:18 PM
This pretty much locks oscar into another contract
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: BackPayne on March 04, 2017, 07:58:48 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/838178937175957504
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 04, 2017, 08:05:33 PM
jfc  burn him alive
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Shock Bonnet on March 04, 2017, 08:08:01 PM

 :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 04, 2017, 08:08:16 PM
Lol, all the more reason to can him


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: memphis on March 04, 2017, 08:09:19 PM
 :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sys on March 04, 2017, 08:10:33 PM
good for him.  a man has to defend himself.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 04, 2017, 08:10:48 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UB1eV.gif)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on March 04, 2017, 08:13:52 PM
Sounds like a sales pitch to his next employer.

http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/columns/2017-03-04/kevin-haskin-has-oscar-weber-exhausted-all-his-cat-lives-s-good (http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/columns/2017-03-04/kevin-haskin-has-oscar-weber-exhausted-all-his-cat-lives-s-good)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: BackPayne on March 04, 2017, 08:14:24 PM
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sys on March 04, 2017, 08:16:21 PM
that cancer vs wins quote is awe-inspiring.  i hope cats everywhere fight for what's important to them.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 04, 2017, 08:22:55 PM
He definitely feels heat. Who knows how real it is.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 04, 2017, 08:46:10 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article136526003.html
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 04, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
Oh man oscar!

Quote
“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.”

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: AppleJack on March 04, 2017, 08:55:07 PM
Reading that literally ruined my night. I can buy letting him coach next year but why on earth would they extend him.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: TaqMan on March 04, 2017, 08:58:08 PM

K-State sports gots lots of cancer problems at this point
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: schreds21 on March 04, 2017, 08:59:06 PM
Oh man oscar!

Quote
“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.”

Holy crap!  What the eff does that even mean?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Chingon on March 04, 2017, 09:05:14 PM
This has has a great chance to zoom post the cigars thread in terms of length.   

The only question is if goEMAW will be around long enough. I doubt it will.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on March 04, 2017, 09:10:32 PM
How can you fire such a great guy?  Just does it the k-state way.  oscar can have as many strikes as the opening scene of Mr. Baseball does IMO
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: AppleJack on March 04, 2017, 09:12:40 PM
He's under contract through '19. Please tell me they won't extend beyond that if the somehow squeak into the tourney. Is it that uncommon to coach with 2 years left?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: memphis on March 04, 2017, 09:16:04 PM
He's under contract through '19. Please tell me they won't extend beyond that if the somehow squeak into the tourney. Is it that uncommon to coach with 2 years left?

Who would negatively recruit against the Quatz? CoC?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: BostonPancake on March 04, 2017, 09:28:03 PM
Quote
Each practice starts with a quote on the whiteboard, and Weber has chosen this one from Rockefeller specifically: I do not think that there is any other quality so essential to success of any kind as the quality of perseverance. It overcomes almost everything

 :facepalm:   Taking a page from the Turner Gill coaching book.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 04, 2017, 10:24:50 PM
He definitely feels heat. Who knows how real it is.

His schedule was the first indicator that he felt heat as early as last April but the gE echo chamber chose to see that differently.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2017, 04:17:29 AM
Fired: No
Why not: People who are in charge of making the decisions are maybe still idiots?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 05, 2017, 07:06:13 AM
I just hate oscar so, so much. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on March 05, 2017, 07:34:02 AM
Oh man oscar!

Quote
“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.

Same article.

Quote
“Yeah, well, rules are meant to be broken,” he says.

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 05, 2017, 08:23:55 AM
He's so oscar. This would all be so fun if he was winning a lot.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pvegs on March 05, 2017, 10:29:56 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article136526003.html

enjoyed this in the comments: "This reads like Weber brought Mellenger a plate of cookies before the piece was published."
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 05, 2017, 11:28:24 AM
I will rough ridin' riot with an extension -- well anything less than his canning, really. It's like giving a mountain climber more carabiners when all he's does is edge sideways on a cliff.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 05, 2017, 11:49:42 PM
It's like giving a mountain climber more carabiners when all he's does is edge sideways on a cliff.

Finally, an analogy everyone can relate to.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: bones129 on March 06, 2017, 12:05:42 AM
Mizzou needs oscar Weber.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Ptolemy on March 06, 2017, 12:52:42 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article136526003.html

enjoyed this in the comments: "This reads like Weber brought Mellenger a plate of cookies before the piece was published."

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 06, 2017, 08:48:53 AM
So we're back to Weber running of Foster and not Currie? This narrative changes every day.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: KITNfury on March 06, 2017, 12:40:56 PM
He apparently tells himself that he's the best thing to happen to Purdue, Illinois, that small school he was at, and K-State. I'll admit he's done some good things in his career. To deny that is hater level 10. But still, to gloss over his overall "averageness" with his high points is unreal.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Cire on March 06, 2017, 01:37:34 PM
He'd be great at mizzou.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 06, 2017, 02:10:29 PM
SteveDave is it acceptable to get an old copy of Mizzouboy out of the closet and fantasize about coachies being released?  It is kind of exciting getting a new coach.  We may have to live vicariously through Missouri.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 06, 2017, 02:13:09 PM
So we're back to Weber running of Foster and not Currie? This narrative changes every day.

I really dgaf about either of those right now as it relates to who ran off whom. I just want Weber gone. That's all.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pvegs on March 06, 2017, 05:59:59 PM
fitz nails it:

"So, it may come down to Thursday’s game with Baylor. Win and K-State is in the NCAA Tournament and Weber is likely back for a sixth season in Manhattan. Lose and K-State may be in, but maybe not. And Weber may or may not survive to coach again.

Either outcome feels so very oscar Weber."
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2017, 06:15:41 PM
That's a very authoritative sounding "I don't know."

Feels so very Fitz.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 06, 2017, 06:19:52 PM
After OU I thought there was no doubt.

But now with Currie gone and the recent "success", I've just resigned myself to accepting he'll be back. If he's gone it will be a nice surprise. Actually an Altman type situation seems more likely than a Wooly at this point.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 06, 2017, 06:25:47 PM
there's no chance in hell that oscar walks away from this powerball ticket. as far as the altman situ, that was a Wefald-AD driven decision and we don't have either of those right now.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 06, 2017, 06:28:11 PM
there's no chance in hell that oscar walks away from this powerball ticket. as far as the altman situ, that was a Wefald-AD driven decision and we don't have either of those right now.

Good point.

I don't think he would drop down a level like Altman, but he could take the lateral route if he thinks a better situation is out there.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 06, 2017, 06:57:21 PM
Missouri would be a great job for him, really prove the haters wrong by building up a crap program instead of destroying a good one
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 06, 2017, 07:00:19 PM
He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: That_Guy on March 06, 2017, 07:12:22 PM
So basically we just need Baylor to win by 20+


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on March 06, 2017, 07:15:59 PM
i need baylor -1
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: memphis on March 06, 2017, 07:27:06 PM
He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches

Weber retirement tour brought to you by Kansas State Athletics. Watch Coach Weber coach from locals in sunny California through the Gulf Coast. All the while building up NIT and NCAA tournament expectations.

 :Lurk:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 06, 2017, 07:52:39 PM
there's no chance in hell that oscar walks away from this powerball ticket. as far as the altman situ, that was a Wefald-AD driven decision and we don't have either of those right now.

Good point.

I don't think he would drop down a level like Altman, but he could take the lateral route if he thinks a better situation is out there.

Coaches leave town before the posse gets to them all of the time, it's becoming more and more common each season. Is there something different about oscar than these other coaches I am not seeing? Does he not have an agent?

As far as his fate with the administration goes, I think his fate, either way, was decided with Currie. His boss and his next in command are now in charge and I'd be stunned if neither of these guys had conversations with Currie while he was still here. I don't think Weber' s evaluation got a reset last Tuesday.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on March 06, 2017, 08:58:56 PM
i need baylor -1

:emawkid:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 06, 2017, 09:38:58 PM
oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then?  no.  he doesn't.  so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.

then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.

oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 07, 2017, 06:28:01 AM
oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then?  no.  he doesn't.  so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.

then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.

oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms

Agreed
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 07, 2017, 06:30:40 AM
oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then?  no.  he doesn't.  so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.

then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.

oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms

Agreed

Yeah, forget me even making that point, you guys pretty much took it apart.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Chingon on March 07, 2017, 07:48:44 AM
Hey!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 07, 2017, 08:51:10 PM
oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then?  no.  he doesn't.  so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.

then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.

oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms

Agreed

Yeah, forget me even making that point, you guys pretty much took it apart.

If was very _FWN to have optimism regarding a situation.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 08, 2017, 07:31:52 AM
Oh the fun of it all.  Now I am reading veiled threats about young players leaving if oscar is weinered.  I worry about players leaving if he stays.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Bookcat on March 08, 2017, 08:10:10 AM
So basically we just need Baylor to win by 20+


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and since we're such a jeykll and hyde hissy fit of unpredicatbility...I fully expect that we'll either inexplicably shoot lights out, or can't buy a bucket.

Go Baylor!  (it's for the best)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 08, 2017, 08:16:58 AM
I really wish I could understand what side of the _fence bookcat was on.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: schreds21 on March 08, 2017, 07:37:04 PM


Go Baylor!  (it's for the best)
Seems pretty clear to me  :dunno:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 08, 2017, 07:44:03 PM
 :ROFL:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 08, 2017, 10:22:26 PM
Kellis Robinett, "Acting athletic director Laird Veatch said Saturday he will work in concert with university president Richard Myers when it comes time to make a decision on Weber, but he plans to wait until after the season to evaluate the basketball team."   Kind of.denuts the notion Woscar will get another year because there is no AD in place to can him

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article137002153.html#storylink=cpy
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 09, 2017, 06:57:27 AM
Well yeah. Some people have been saying that.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on March 09, 2017, 08:13:53 AM
I don't think that statement from Veatch means a whole lot.  It's not like he's going to come out and say "Yeah, oscar is safe for another year because, as the interim AD, I'm not allowed to can him".
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ChiCat on March 09, 2017, 09:06:45 AM
He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches

So Tubby Smith?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on March 09, 2017, 09:11:46 AM
He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches

So Tubby Smith?

Basically.  Except Tubby was able to close the deal with Pitino's players.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ChiCat on March 09, 2017, 11:46:15 AM
Conditions for oscar to be fired:
1) Lose to Baylor (70%)
2) Miss the tournament (75% if Baylor loss)
3) New AD hired in the next 3 weeks (20%)

Gives him about an 11% chance of being fired IMO.  This is going to be a long thread.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 09, 2017, 12:16:54 PM
Conditions for oscar to be fired:
1) Lose to Baylor (70%)
2) Miss the tournament (75% if Baylor loss)
3) New AD hired in the next 3 weeks (20%)

Gives him about an 11% chance of being fired IMO.  This is going to be a long thread.

This looks accurate.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 09, 2017, 10:21:18 PM
go ahead and bury this thread for a year

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-H2XjwphuXLA/UwaYZp03UzI/AAAAAAAABSI/XZFyuIMkHeg/s1600/Lights.gif)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 09, 2017, 10:24:45 PM
Baylor sucks
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Chingon on March 09, 2017, 10:25:11 PM


go ahead and bury this thread for three years

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on March 09, 2017, 10:47:57 PM
:excited:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WildcatPower on March 09, 2017, 10:56:28 PM
Dear Sir/Ma'am,

We regret to inform you from the office of "Big XII Conference Tournament Play" have rejected your request for oscar Weber to be publicly fired.

Regards,

Big XII Commish.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 09, 2017, 11:30:43 PM
I still would not be suprised if Oscar takes another job.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 10, 2017, 08:16:33 PM
I think oscar thinks if he starts winning, we will accept him. Well, jokes on him, I will never like you loser!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 8manpick on March 10, 2017, 09:31:22 PM
eff it, team oscar. I'm ready to accept the awkward losing and the unexpected wins we pull out of our asses
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 8manpick on March 10, 2017, 10:17:21 PM
Lol JK, I can't handle this crap
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: AbeFroman on March 10, 2017, 10:19:24 PM
Nice play oscar drew up there
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: wetwillie on March 10, 2017, 10:19:56 PM
come here you bad person!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: cfbandyman on March 10, 2017, 10:20:06 PM
Don't let him come back to Manhattan. JFC
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: fun muffin on March 10, 2017, 10:21:09 PM
Dear Selection Committee,

Please don't choose us. 

Your friend,

fun muffin
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 10, 2017, 10:29:31 PM
Lol JK, I can't handle this crap

I have this same internal dialogue every time the cats play.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on March 10, 2017, 10:30:42 PM
:frown:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 10, 2017, 10:55:34 PM
I take solace in the fact that oscar can't develop talent, it has to catch up with him at some point. Stokes, Brown, and Wade are not really better players than they were a year ago. Their stats got padded by a CRAZY easy non-con, but they've been dogshit for the most part during conference play. Wade is actually scoring less and rebounding less than last year. The fact that the group of players that he used to campaign to keep his job last year is not getting better should be raising some red flags with people in the AD.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Phil Titola on March 11, 2017, 12:56:25 AM
Brad's wife this weekend at the Phillips: "He wants to be back in purple really badly" (prob not direct quote but something really like that)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 11, 2017, 01:16:00 AM
People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2017, 01:36:34 AM
People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.

Bro, that's Oklahoma State protecting themselves. You think he's going to say no to that clause when he was pretty vocal about really wanting that job? I am interested to see what that buy out is going to look like when they renegotiate his contract after OSU gets eliminated. Remember, that buy out is for conference schools only. He's the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, his agent's phone will ring, if it hasn't already.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 11, 2017, 11:00:32 AM
Yeah, low-major coaches don't have a whole lot of bargaining power in regard to their first P5 contract. I think the fact that they know he would be so inclined to take the K-State job is why that buyout exists. It assuredly will not exist in that form when he renegotiates. If K-State plays its cards right, Brad will coach at K-State some day. I have no real reason to believe we'll play our cards right though.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: slackcat on March 11, 2017, 11:28:27 AM
If the past is any indicator, K-State will NOT play their cards right. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 11, 2017, 01:40:22 PM
Grapefruit, what would be your idea of k-state playing its cards right? Just curious about different scenarios.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 11, 2017, 04:20:13 PM
Groce is done. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18884729/john-groce-fired-illinois-head-coach-five-seasons
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 11, 2017, 07:32:19 PM
Grapefruit, what would be your idea of k-state playing its cards right? Just curious about different scenarios.

If we hire an AD that isn't a total dumbass, is willing to grovel a little, and commits financially to basketball it shouldn't be an issue. None of the athletic directors in my lifetime would have ticked all those boxes though.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 11, 2017, 08:12:32 PM
Grapefruit, what would be your idea of k-state playing its cards right? Just curious about different scenarios.

If we hire an AD that isn't a total dumbass, is willing to grovel a little, and commits financially to basketball it shouldn't be an issue. None of the athletic directors in my lifetime would have ticked all those boxes though.

So you're saying pay OSU's Underwood buyout?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 12, 2017, 09:15:38 AM
I mean, when he renegotiates his contract there won't a $6 million buyout anymore. I'm assuming the new buyout will be manageable. So yes, we should buy him out.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 12, 2017, 10:56:11 AM
How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ben ji on March 12, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?

Well there are like a bagillion schools outside of the big12
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2017, 11:55:55 AM
How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?

Well there are like a bagillion schools outside of the big12

Also worth noting that they are paying him well below his value. I think his off-season has the potential to be as crazy as oscar's, but right now there isn't an open job appreciably better than OSU. They are losing Evans, Forte, and Hammons but returning Carroll, Averette, and Solomon.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ChiCat on March 12, 2017, 12:00:36 PM
People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.

Bro, that's Oklahoma State protecting themselves. You think he's going to say no to that clause when he was pretty vocal about really wanting that job? I am interested to see what that buy out is going to look like when they renegotiate his contract after OSU gets eliminated. Remember, that buy out is for conference schools only. He's the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, his agent's phone will ring, if it hasn't already.

I didn't realize that was just for B12 programs.  Glad he has some negotiating power.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 12, 2017, 12:25:20 PM
People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.

Bro, that's Oklahoma State protecting themselves. You think he's going to say no to that clause when he was pretty vocal about really wanting that job? I am interested to see what that buy out is going to look like when they renegotiate his contract after OSU gets eliminated. Remember, that buy out is for conference schools only. He's the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, his agent's phone will ring, if it hasn't already.

I didn't realize that was just for B12 programs.  Glad he has some negotiating power.

That buyout was put in place for us. OSU knew oscar's situation too.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 12, 2017, 12:46:09 PM
How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?

Well there are like a bagillion schools outside of the big12

Also worth noting that they are paying him well below his value. I think his off-season has the potential to be as crazy as oscar's, but right now there isn't an open job appreciably better than OSU. They are losing Evans, Forte, and Hammons but returning Carroll, Averette, and Solomon.

Brad needs to walk around Stillwater decked head to toe in Illini gear non-stop
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ArchE_Cat on March 12, 2017, 01:00:08 PM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/14azrm8.jpg)

Any truth to this?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 12, 2017, 01:05:25 PM
I don't believe it. $8.5 Mil is a lot of money. That sounds like mostly talk to me.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ChiCat on March 12, 2017, 02:19:55 PM
Throwing that kind of money out to get Brad just feels like paying a premium for a K-State alum.  While I would much rather have Brad than oscar and the donors can spend their money how they like, I don't think it's the best use of the money.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 12, 2017, 02:21:15 PM
Offering K-State money to buy out Brad when they could have just picked him up for free last year is just stupid.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2017, 02:26:10 PM


Throwing that kind of money out to get Brad just feels like paying a premium for a K-State alum.  While I would much rather have Brad than oscar and the donors can spend their money how they like, I don't think it's the best use of the money.

I agree. Like that could be three or four years of Fred Hoiberg salary.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sys on March 12, 2017, 02:30:59 PM
having made a mistake last year is not a good reason not fix that mistake now.  and maybe the osu a.d. will finally just retire.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: AbeFroman on March 12, 2017, 03:26:02 PM
I wanted Brad but $8.5m isn't worth it
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: wetwillie on March 12, 2017, 03:36:53 PM
What the hell is wrong with you people.  It's not like it's your money.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sys on March 12, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
It's not like it's your money.

kstaters are so odd.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2017, 03:58:23 PM
What the hell is wrong with you people.  It's not like it's your money.

It is though. K-State Athletics doesn't have an owner pumping money in, that money comes from the ticket holders and donors.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 12, 2017, 04:03:17 PM
having made a mistake last year is not a good reason not fix that mistake now.  and maybe the osu a.d. will finally just retire.

It's maddening
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Ptolemy on March 12, 2017, 04:29:16 PM
Trust me, what the donors are looking at/have seen is a TREMENDOUS amount of ($$) loss of both season ticket holders and alums buying single game tickets. Students are not a revenue source - they're mostly just noise and atmosphere. And that mostly has been happening steadily as Oscar has turned the vise but took a serious nosedive after the Brad Debacle. They are afraid of it happening again with greater "trajectory" next year if Oscar returns to the area outside the coaching box.

To see that not occur, they will pay.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Chingon on March 12, 2017, 04:36:11 PM
Dude, he's coming back.  And for a while.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: stunted on March 12, 2017, 04:49:59 PM
Dude, he's coming back.  And for a while.

 :emawkid:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: That_Guy on March 12, 2017, 05:13:02 PM
Dude, he's coming back.  And for a while.

For a while seems like pushing it. A new AD is going to want to hire his own guy, right?


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 12, 2017, 05:35:49 PM
Stunz being a oscar fan is a bit surprising
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: jasn88cubs on March 12, 2017, 05:38:50 PM
wish cbs had a camera on k st

i bet weber was crying
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 12, 2017, 05:42:50 PM
[oscar&curriefullbodyhug.gif]
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: jasn88cubs on March 12, 2017, 05:46:34 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l3fQ8cg5DGOXtYyPe/giphy.gif)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/deuxillini/weberbreakin_zps00c66c4e.gif)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Chingon on March 12, 2017, 05:52:15 PM
For the next five years,  I bet oscar pulls up this thread every few days and just smiles.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Bookcat on March 12, 2017, 05:53:40 PM
No commitment to winning... So I can't commit to season tickets or a single penny in donations

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: stunted on March 12, 2017, 07:11:05 PM
Stunz being a oscar fan is a bit surprising

i waved at him before and he waved back.

also he's beaten baylor twice and is 1 point worse than druggins. proven winner. his teams can perform extremely well and beat anyone, though they can also lose to anybody. high risk, high reward (ncaa runnerup!). at the very least he is way better than wooldridge.

looking back at his best season, it's surprising they did so well. had mcgruder, but who else? angel was garbage, henriquez barely played. that season was all oscar.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ELL3 on March 12, 2017, 07:49:26 PM
No commitment to winning... So I can't commit to season tickets or a single penny in donations

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I'm done with hoops if he's back we are gonna be 10th next year
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: PIPE on March 13, 2017, 09:13:29 AM
I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: scottwildcat on March 13, 2017, 09:40:11 AM
I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:
Not according to MIR.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 13, 2017, 02:19:26 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170313/5f24598c9fc5648e7c5dd9a6a097a34a.jpg)

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: slackcat on March 13, 2017, 05:27:44 PM
Fatfitz sez it isn't because of lack of cash, big money has over 6 mil ready to go.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Kat Kid on March 13, 2017, 05:42:02 PM
Of all the people to pull the "you got $6 million?" line it had to be Dave Dreiling's son?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 13, 2017, 09:48:48 PM
I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:
Not according to MIR.

I didn't say that, only that a NCAA bid doesn't equate to his job being safe.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 13, 2017, 10:05:58 PM
I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:
Not according to MIR.

I didn't say that, only that a NCAA bid doesn't equate to his job being safe.

Yep, just like what Fitz was saying today.  :peek:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Chingon on March 14, 2017, 10:46:35 PM
Welp that's that
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: stunted on March 14, 2017, 10:48:29 PM
 :driving:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pvegs on March 14, 2017, 10:58:41 PM
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WildcatPower on March 14, 2017, 11:02:50 PM
Yeah, he's gonna be back next year, as much as it pains me to say this.

The only thing that could change it is if they get blown out by Cincy.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 14, 2017, 11:10:17 PM
I don't see oscar getting outed at this point, even with a Cincy blowout.  There are no Underwoods out there waiting to be snatched up.  KSU isn't going to pay oscar's or anyone else's buyout with an interim AD and a BBall coach who already managed to avoid total meltdown.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 14, 2017, 11:11:41 PM
Yeah, he's gonna be back next year, as much as it pains me to say this.

The only thing that could change it is if they get blown out by Cincy.
Wes and DJamer will be gone next year.  We will regress.  I am disappointed that players don't seem.to developing very fast.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: stunted on March 14, 2017, 11:35:45 PM
Yeah, he's gonna be back next year, as much as it pains me to say this.

The only thing that could change it is if they get blown out by Cincy.
Wes and DJamer will be gone next year.  We will regress.  I am disappointed that players don't seem.to developing very fast.

Maurice will fill in well for DJamer. Sneed will be the next Westicles, and Patrick will be the next Sneed
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trogdor on March 14, 2017, 11:39:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5L4q16h.png)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 14, 2017, 11:49:17 PM
Meh. I'll be pretty reactionary about this. If a good coach gets hired on at a similar school, and we suck ass next year I'll be upset. But oscar just have KSU and win in March. I enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 14, 2017, 11:54:02 PM
He's going to beat cinci and then lose to ucla in some epic fashion. He's coming back, and I have some sneaking suspicion the loss of the crutches that are wes and DJamer will somehow make the team better. Like addition by subtraction only multiplication by subtraction of positives...basically game theory. #idiotsavant
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 14, 2017, 11:59:17 PM
Maybe, but Wes and DJamer were really damn good tonight.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on March 15, 2017, 12:08:14 AM
:emawkid:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 12:19:09 AM
#theweswasthefuture

OT: Any ever listen to Kid Dakota. That's where I got thewesisthfuture.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 01:22:14 AM
You guys are really schizophrenic. I need up apologize to rusty, sys, and chingon; people are a lot more distractable than I thought.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on March 15, 2017, 07:34:09 AM
our guy oscar really mushed a lot of haters itt
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: scottwildcat on March 15, 2017, 07:50:20 AM
i still want him fired.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: XocolateThundarr on March 15, 2017, 09:06:48 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C69tRwJVsAEpbc7.jpg)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: POWL on March 15, 2017, 09:44:12 AM
i still want him fired.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: scottwildcat on March 15, 2017, 09:48:35 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C69tRwJVsAEpbc7.jpg)
This is good.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: KITNfury on March 15, 2017, 10:01:22 AM
i still want him fired.

 :thumbsup:
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement. But he's not getting fired, didn't think he was even before the win last night.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2017, 10:17:59 AM
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now. He's getting another year, guys. Sorry.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: wetwillie on March 15, 2017, 10:23:56 AM
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now. He's getting another year, guys. Sorry.

I don't agree that no reasonable or affordable replacement exists
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2017, 10:27:11 AM
We're not over paying for Brad, it would be rough ridin' dumb. Keatts isn't a sure thing. Jank is a wild card. Frank is proving he's just good enough, etc. Give him another year and save some $. We're not this rough ridin' desperate right now. Especially when we're about to beat Cinci's ass and face UCLA in the round of 32.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Panjandrum on March 15, 2017, 10:28:28 AM
oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff.  Alright then.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2017, 10:30:55 AM
oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff.  Alright then.
He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5 with Dalonte and Huggs players. I'd like to think we could be a consistent player in the tourney, but he doesn't deserve to be fired right now, as much as I hate the bad person. It would be a bad look, especially if you go get some wildcard as a head coach.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: O-town Kat on March 15, 2017, 11:04:06 AM
oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff.  Alright then.
He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5 with Dalonte and Huggs players. I'd like to think we could be a consistent player in the tourney, but he doesn't deserve to be fired right now, as much as I hate the bad person. It would be a bad look, especially if you go get some wildcard as a head coach.
We're getting into a space of not firing him but also not extending him. Next season can be the make-break season. Plenty of questions still to answer about roster, player dev, and what the trajectory is here.

If oscar gets hired away, much of the fanbase is ok with it, and we're not out the $ to part ways. I don't care what the optics are of letting a marginal NCAA coach get away with a admin in place that may not have oscar's back long term.

I don't think he laterals to another HC job though.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2017, 11:07:17 AM
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 15, 2017, 11:19:17 AM
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now. He's getting another year, guys. Sorry.

What constitutes affordable if private money is paying for it? 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 11:20:38 AM
I think it was in reference to Brad
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 11:21:17 AM
And yes we don't need to be blowing 6 mil+ on Brad. By we I mean me. (Big donor)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2017, 11:23:08 AM
Paying $6 mill for a buyout is rough ridin' dumb. We'll also have to pay oscar out for the rest of his contract. I guess if you wanna go after a diamond in the rough in keatts you could get him cheap, but you don't know what you're going to get. Jank sucked before taking over larry's players, Marshall already makes 3 mill a year and is very hateble, Frank sucks without his guys, etc. You better know what the eff you're getting if you're firing oscar, because if you don't, it could get shittier.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 15, 2017, 11:30:10 AM
I think oscar being fired at some time in the next twelve months would be good for the long-term health of the program. If he gets blown out against Cinci it would be perfectly justifiable to fire him this year. Play-in games don't count, and not winning a real tournament game in five years is plenty of ammo to fire a coach. Like other people said, we should be very sure of having what would be considered an upgrade before we send him packing.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 15, 2017, 11:50:53 AM
oscar gets another year, no question. But does oscar get a contract extension if he beats Cincy? I say maybe... :ohno:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 12:01:43 PM
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.
What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: slackcat on March 15, 2017, 12:42:48 PM
Even with a loss to Cincy I'd be comfortable keeping oscar 'till his contract ends, what's that another year or two?  IMO, he could use some better assistants and I'd like to see this football hire garner all the attention it needs.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: O-town Kat on March 15, 2017, 12:53:38 PM
Even with a loss to Cincy I'd be comfortable keeping oscar 'till his contract ends, what's that another year or two?  IMO, he could use some better assistants and I'd like to see this football hire garner all the attention it needs.
Don't disagree about the better assts part but that and no contract extension don't play well. HC on the hot seat hire yielded Brad Korn.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 15, 2017, 12:58:31 PM
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.
What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.


True.

This is who oscar is...

2005–06   26–7   11–5   T–2nd   NCAA Round of 32
2006–07   23–12   9–7   T–4th   NCAA Round of 64
2007–08   16–19   5–13   T–9th   
2008–09   24–10   11–7   T–2nd   NCAA Round of 64
2009–10   21–15   10–8   5th   NIT Quarterfinals
2010–11   20–14   9–9   T–4th   NCAA Round of 32
2011–12   17–15   6–12   9th   
2013–14   20–13   10–8   5th   NCAA Round of 64
2014–15   15–17   8–10   T–6th   
2015–16   17–16   5–13   8th   
2016–17   21–13   8–10   6th   NCAA Round of 64
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 01:03:05 PM
That looks so gross. Thanks for reminding me.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 15, 2017, 01:04:30 PM
_FAN you left out the big xii ship year
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: mocat on March 15, 2017, 01:06:03 PM
oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff.  Alright then.
He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5

it's the 6 wins to 0 wins that really irks me (if you're going compare their two tenures)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 15, 2017, 01:06:16 PM
_FAN you left out the big xii ship year

I debated leaving out the 2nd year, but I gave him credit because the best player was his recruit. I took away his first 2 Illinois seasons because his best players were Self recruits. I was trying to show his P5 record with mostly his players. Its not awful, but its far from great.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Whale on March 15, 2017, 01:09:10 PM
Since oscar isn't getting fired and will want/need an extension, offer one but only with a reduced buyout.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on March 15, 2017, 01:10:35 PM
is it time for ksu to be innovative and consider a negative buyout?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 15, 2017, 01:20:24 PM
Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.
What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.

He's a proven mediocre product.  What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre?  There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 01:45:48 PM


Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.
What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.

He's a proven mediocre product.  What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre?  There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.

Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Ptolemy on March 15, 2017, 02:03:12 PM

Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.

The fanbase is always going to hate him. You don't get over Oscar-hate especially when it has been festering for 5 years. That will adversely affect recruiting, especially given his penchant for not being able to handle talent. To give him an extension will just be a waste of money.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 02:11:33 PM
Pfffft no everyone won't always hate oscar. If, if he found a way to starting winning at an impressive clip he would become our lovable dork.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 02:24:18 PM



Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.

The fanbase is always going to hate him. You don't get over Oscar-hate especially when it has been festering for 5 years. That will adversely affect recruiting, especially given his penchant for not being able to handle talent. To give him an extension will just be a waste of money.

Then fire him no matter what happens this weekend
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: wetwillie on March 15, 2017, 02:32:17 PM



Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.

The fanbase is always going to hate him. You don't get over Oscar-hate especially when it has been festering for 5 years. That will adversely affect recruiting, especially given his penchant for not being able to handle talent. To give him an extension will just be a waste of money.

Then fire him no matter what happens this weekend

Hell yes.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2017, 02:52:41 PM


Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.
What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.

He's a proven mediocre product.  What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre?  There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.

Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.

do you guys who use this line of thinking realize how insane it sounds?

yeah man, i was totally going to sign at k-state until i learned that they haven't extended their coach and then i used reverse logic to figure out that they suck.  that's when i realized the place wasn't for me, i want to win so i'm going somewhere else.


:lol:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Woogy on March 15, 2017, 02:55:58 PM
Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"

oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"

oscar Weber, 2017:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2017, 02:58:39 PM
Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"

oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"

one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th

but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2017, 03:05:55 PM
Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"

oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"

one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th

but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
:thumbs:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 15, 2017, 03:12:10 PM
Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"

oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"

one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th

but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide

yeah one of those coaches inherited a team with a PG
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: wetwillie on March 15, 2017, 03:16:31 PM
Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"

oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"

one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th

but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide

yeah one of those coaches inherited a team with a PG

Say that to Clent Stewarts face you jerk.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2017, 03:17:01 PM
God, I did love me some Clent Stewart.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 15, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
Give him the most insulting extension offer ever.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 15, 2017, 03:26:09 PM
Give him the most insulting extension offer ever.

Any extension offer should come with a reduction to the buyout.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on March 15, 2017, 03:27:40 PM
i believe my guaranteed negative buyout scenario is what some of you are craving
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 15, 2017, 03:39:22 PM
If oscar was smart, and he's not, and not narcissistic, which he is, he'd use the success at the end of this year to make a lateral move, maybe to a slightly worse program, where he's guaranteed more years. Missouri is the best example. But he's not. He thinks he can retire here, and if he makes it through next year he will.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 03:40:22 PM


Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.
What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.

He's a proven mediocre product.  What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre?  There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.

Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.

do you guys who use this line of thinking realize how insane it sounds?

yeah man, i was totally going to sign at k-state until i learned that they haven't extended their coach and then i used reverse logic to figure out that they suck.  that's when i realized the place wasn't for me, i want to win so i'm going somewhere else.



Then fire him
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 15, 2017, 03:41:24 PM
he'll be 61 at the start of next season, screw the extension. we need a secession plan
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: hatingfrancis on March 15, 2017, 03:50:03 PM
He needs extended.  You wackadoos want to dish out 6 million for a guy that finished in 5th place in the Big 12.

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pvegs on March 15, 2017, 04:05:18 PM
fitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drake
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 15, 2017, 04:19:03 PM
fitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drake
yeah we definitely don't need to overpay or over extend that doofus
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: stunted on March 15, 2017, 04:55:46 PM
oscar's player development is underrated. DJamer is now a stud, and wesley is almost a first rounder. just needs his players to stick. sneed/maurice/patrick with 3 more years of oscar, they're going to be very good. :excited:

even 2 more years, with the current sophmores, that's a solid 6 right there. :ksu:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 05:19:22 PM
i still want him fired.

 :thumbsup:
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.

There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.

You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 05:52:13 PM
i still want him fired.

 
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.

There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.

You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2017, 06:02:19 PM
i'm starting to think that most AD's at this level are former athletic managers who decided to grind it out for 30 years post grad.  which is to say they spent their college years cleaning locker rooms and shuttling athletes to and from their respective aggievilles.  not sure the brain power involved in any of these activities including being an AD at this level.

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: slackcat on March 15, 2017, 06:15:42 PM
Even with a loss to Cincy I'd be comfortable keeping oscar 'till his contract ends, what's that another year or two?  IMO, he could use some better assistants and I'd like to see this football hire garner all the attention it needs.
Don't disagree about the better assts part but that and no contract extension don't play well. HC on the hot seat hire yielded Brad Korn.

Can't disagree.  I don't have the stomach to offer him an extension now, so he keeps his assistants. IF there is an extension offered it should come with a shitload of requirements.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Super PurpleCat on March 15, 2017, 09:18:31 PM
i'm starting to think that most AD's at this level are former athletic managers who decided to grind it out for 30 years post grad.  which is to say they spent their college years cleaning locker rooms and shuttling athletes to and from their respective aggievilles.  not sure the brain power involved in any of these activities including being an AD at this level.

Painting fences and waxing cars is how you learn karate.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 10:24:50 PM
i still want him fired.

 
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.

There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.

You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.

Of course but interest has to be reciprocal. Also this talk of there not being good candidates this year, or any year is nonsensical. Coaches aren't draft picks or unrestricted free agents, the coaching pool is the coaching pool, the quality doesn't vary by year. There's good coaches, there's bad coaches, there's good fits and bad fits and you have no idea who is what until they are performing the job.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 15, 2017, 10:29:44 PM
fitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drake

Drake will be in town this weekend  :Wha:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 15, 2017, 10:34:39 PM
i still want him fired.

 
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.

There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.

You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.

Of course but interest has to be reciprocal. Also this talk of there not being good candidates this year, or any year is nonsensical. Coaches aren't draft picks or unrestricted free agents, the coaching pool is the coaching pool, the quality doesn't vary by year. There's good coaches, there's bad coaches, there's good fits and bad fits and you have no idea who is what until they are performing the job.

I think this board and Brad Underwood take issue with your suggestion that timing is irrelevant to this equation.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2017, 10:41:02 PM
i still want him fired.

 
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.

There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.

You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.

Of course but interest has to be reciprocal. Also this talk of there not being good candidates this year, or any year is nonsensical. Coaches aren't draft picks or unrestricted free agents, the coaching pool is the coaching pool, the quality doesn't vary by year. There's good coaches, there's bad coaches, there's good fits and bad fits and you have no idea who is what until they are performing the job.

I think this board and Brad Underwood take issue with your suggestion that timing is irrelevant to this equation.

Timing is only an issue if one or both parties allow it to be. Coaches and athletic directors aren't players, they have absolute and total control of their movements.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 15, 2017, 10:58:17 PM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: O-town Kat on March 15, 2017, 11:18:35 PM
fitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drake

Drake will be in town this weekend  :Wha:
Go for it oscar
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 16, 2017, 02:12:00 AM
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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: slackcat on March 16, 2017, 04:41:22 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 16, 2017, 06:41:43 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year

Yeah, that's a better way to put it.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 16, 2017, 07:25:56 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year

Yep, just like any job market.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 07:55:28 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year

I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 08:32:51 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year

I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.

Yeah I agree with that

So why do you need an opening to know who's interested? That pool of underpaid P6 and up and comers will have the same pool of schools to select from - P5's that either fired their coach or got poached by a top 15 program or were underpaying.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 16, 2017, 08:47:35 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year

I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.

That's true. I suppose I was trying to look at the mid major crop before the tournament and it didn't seem as big, but that's because we haven't seen a couple guys go on a run yet and get hired because of that. (which is dumb)

I heard conversation about that a while back on 810. They were talking about Shaka and making the point that he had great tournament success, but he never won the A-10 or Colonial in 6 years at VCU. While I think most agree he's a very good coach because he did sustain success, maybe that is a knock on what he can do and this year's Texas wasn't such an aberration.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 09:01:22 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year

I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.

That's true. I suppose I was trying to look at the mid major crop before the tournament and it didn't seem as big, but that's because we haven't seen a couple guys go on a run yet and get hired because of that. (which is dumb)

I heard conversation about that a while back on 810. They were talking about Shaka and making the point that he had great tournament success, but he never won the A-10 or Colonial in 6 years at VCU. While I think most agree he's a very good coach because he did sustain success, maybe that is a knock on what he can do and this year's Texas wasn't such an aberration.

I've said for a while that I think AD's should make bonuses for high conference finishes (not just titles) larger than NCAA tournament success (outside of say a final four). Where you finish in your conference tells you more about a program than tourney runs, and I wonder if coaches would respond to that more positively than incentives based on lucky runs (which is what many Sweet 16 appearances are).
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 16, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
I've said for a while that I think AD's should make bonuses for high conference finishes (not just titles) larger than NCAA tournament success (outside of say a final four). Where you finish in your conference tells you more about a program than tourney runs, and I wonder if coaches would respond to that more positively than incentives based on lucky runs (which is what many Sweet 16 appearances are).

I agree with that, but its clearly not even how most fans think.

IMO a big part of the oscar hatred stems from the lack of tournament success and especially the La Salle upset. Granted, he has done plenty to sustain fans not liking him, but if he had a Sweet 16 in 13 and then a tournament win in 14 the hatred wouldn't be as strong.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 16, 2017, 09:16:42 AM
Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.

That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 09:22:30 AM


Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.

That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.

what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 09:24:37 AM
Consistent second place finishes in a mid major league tells more about a coach's abilities than a guy who has a lucky conference tourney run and then beats a 5 and a 13 seed to make it to the second weekend
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Kat Kid on March 16, 2017, 09:24:51 AM


Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.

That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.

what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?

A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 09:30:23 AM
Well put, KK.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 16, 2017, 09:32:02 AM
Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.

That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.

I get that, but I think mid major coaches need to prove to be excellent at their level for multiple entire seasons. Shaka finished 2nd 3 times, 4th 2 times, and 5th once at VCU. He had one incredible run at VCU his first year in the tournament and even though he got there 4 more times, he never got out of the 1st weekend, even with two 5 seeds.

I agree with michigan that tournament success has a lot to due with match ups (luck of the draw) and luck in games to get on a Sweet 16 (or better) run, especially when you are a lower seed like most mid major coaches. The true way to sustain tournament success on a yearly basis is to be really good in a P5 conference (top 3 in the Big 12) and get a 5th seed or better.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dlew12 on March 16, 2017, 09:33:06 AM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result.  it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on March 16, 2017, 09:34:57 AM
Consistent second place finishes in a mid major league tells more about a coach's abilities than a guy who has a lucky conference tourney run and then beats a 5 and a 13 seed to make it to the second weekend

I agree.  And if you are consistently finishing at, or near, the top of the conference then you are likely to have a few decent tournament runs mixed in.

Give me a consistently competitive basketball team that is fun to watch.  Throw in a non-douchebag coach and we've got it made in the shade.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 09:37:06 AM


Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.

That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.

what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?

A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 10:43:29 AM
While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year

I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.

Yeah I agree with that

So why do you need an opening to know who's interested? That pool of underpaid P6 and up and comers will have the same pool of schools to select from - P5's that either fired their coach or got poached by a top 15 program or were underpaying.

It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently. That makes sense to me, the thinking is "do I want to work for this person who treats their coach this way?" I think there are some cases where it's okay to gage interest if the job isn't open yet, like if the coach is clearly getting canned, like Kim Anderson; or if there is a clear tie to the candidate and the potential hiring school, or if the candidate and the AD share an agent.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 10:46:30 AM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result.  it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.

Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 11:28:03 AM
i don't really view it as the job of an interim ad to hire/fire coaches under these circumstances
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2017, 11:30:14 AM
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.

Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.

If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Chingon on March 16, 2017, 12:51:58 PM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result.  it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
There is zero chance oscar gets fired (unless he does something extremely unsavory off the court).  It's not going to happen.  I will give tremendous odds if someone wants to bet on it.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 12:55:48 PM
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.

Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.

If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?


Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime.  That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 16, 2017, 01:37:35 PM
I think oscar should take the WSU job after Greggg goes to Indiana.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dlew12 on March 16, 2017, 01:58:05 PM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result.  it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.

Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow.  The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.

After the OU loss, I said he was donezo because I didn't think Veatch (sp?) had any choice at that point.  Given how the last two weeks have played out, I think he has a choice now, and the path of least resistance is keeping things as is. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 02:13:01 PM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result.  it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.

Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow.  The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.

After the OU loss, I said he was donezo because I didn't think Veatch (sp?) had any choice at that point.  Given how the last two weeks have played out, I think he has a choice now, and the path of least resistance is keeping things as is.

And now we're back to the conversation we've had a million times; if you didn't think he was the man for the job 18 days ago how could you possibly think he's fit for the job now? If sportswriters and fans can recognize this, I'd like to think professionals in the field can too. If he does reaches the sweet 16, then I would think it becomes slightly tougher to fire him but I sure wouldn't extend him and I'd tell him that I wouldn't extend him.

Just a note about this, maybe it isn't important, maybe it isn't; but the AD position officially closes a week from tomorrow.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 02:22:04 PM
again, it's not veatch's job to fire our basketball coach.  his job right now is to keep things together while the full time AD is hired.  day to day business crap, keep the lights on.  when the new AD is hired, he's the person who will be tasked with reviewing his stable of coaches and making fire/hire decisions. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 02:27:40 PM
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do.  Just like any employee.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dlew12 on March 16, 2017, 02:46:19 PM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result.  it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.

Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow.  The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.

After the OU loss, I said he was donezo because I didn't think Veatch (sp?) had any choice at that point.  Given how the last two weeks have played out, I think he has a choice now, and the path of least resistance is keeping things as is.

And now we're back to the conversation we've had a million times; if you didn't think he was the man for the job 18 days ago how could you possibly think he's fit for the job now? If sportswriters and fans can recognize this, I'd like to think professionals in the field can too. If he does reaches the sweet 16, then I would think it becomes slightly tougher to fire him but I sure wouldn't extend him and I'd tell him that I wouldn't extend him.

Just a note about this, maybe it isn't important, maybe it isn't; but the AD position officially closes a week from tomorrow.
Listen, I'm not disagreeing with you re. whether I think oscar should get fired.

I'm saying that I don't think K-State fans are calling for oscar's head as loudly as they were several weeks ago.  I also think that most people in Veatch's position would probably prefer not to fire someone unless they had no choice.  The combination of oscar's last couple of weeks and the timing of Currie's departure make me think that it's unlikely oscar is canned this year.

I could be wrong about Veatch's hutzpah, but this is one of the reasons why I wasn't really dancing in the streets when Currie left. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 03:14:50 PM
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do.  Just like any employee.

um, ok.  we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire.  we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position.  the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made.  we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach.  it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 05:19:24 PM
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do.  Just like any employee.

um, ok.  we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire.  we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position.  the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made.  we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach.  it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.

I took Pete's post to mean that if Myers wants oscar fired, then oscar will be fired, new AD pending or not.
Title: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 06:16:44 PM
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do.  Just like any employee.

um, ok.  we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire.  we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position.  the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made.  we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach.  it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.

I took Pete's post to mean that if Myers wants oscar fired, then oscar will be fired, new AD pending or not.


Yep.  I don't know what else an interim AD does, but I do know that the number one thing they do do, is do what the eff they are told to do.

Now, I happen to think Myers will stay out of it.  I have zero knowledge, obviously.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 16, 2017, 06:28:57 PM
What do we do if someone snatches our Oscar from us?  This would be pickle.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 07:20:34 PM
Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do.  Just like any employee.

um, ok.  we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire.  we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position.  the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made.  we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach.  it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.

I took Pete's post to mean that if Myers wants oscar fired, then oscar will be fired, new AD pending or not.


Yep.  I don't know what else an interim AD does, but I do know that the number one thing they do do, is do what the eff they are told to do.

Now, I happen to think Myers will stay out of it.  I have zero knowledge, obviously.

yeah, i guess it never occurred to me that employees do what their bosses tell them to :dunno:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 07:22:13 PM
You seemed like maybe it occurred to you that they do what message board posters say, because otherwise I have no idea what you were upset about.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 16, 2017, 07:23:39 PM
You seemed like maybe it occurred to you that they do what message board posters say, because otherwise I have no idea what you were upset about.

upset? not in the slightest.  maybe you missed the part where several people were advocating that oscar get fired immediately.  i was simply providing the reasons why we don't want that to happen.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2017, 07:27:24 PM
I did miss that.  Though, I will literally be OK with any scenario that removes that rough rider, so I am not your target audience I suppose.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 16, 2017, 07:34:19 PM
Unfortunately I think currie has double mumped us on oscar
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2017, 08:46:09 PM
You seemed like maybe it occurred to you that they do what message board posters say, because otherwise I have no idea what you were upset about.

upset? not in the slightest.  maybe you missed the part where several people were advocating that oscar get fired immediately.  i was simply providing the reasons why we don't want that to happen.

we don't? If he got fired in the middle of the starting lineup intros tomorrow night I'd be over the moon, I'm guessing I'm far from alone.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sys on March 16, 2017, 11:34:59 PM
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.

Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.

If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?


Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime.  That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.

they don't like it when it becomes public, because that impacts how their school's fans feel about them which impacts their job security.  they like it as long as it isn't public.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2017, 12:19:30 AM


It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.

Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.

If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?


Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime.  That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.

they don't like it when it becomes public, because that impacts how their school's fans feel about them which impacts their job security.  they like it as long as it isn't public.

Yes
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2017, 04:52:06 AM


It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.

Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.

If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?


Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime.  That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.

they don't like it when it becomes public, because that impacts how their school's fans feel about them which impacts their job security.  they like it as long as it isn't public.

Yes


Good points.  Agreed.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2017, 06:55:42 AM


Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.

That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.

what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?

A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.

Having sweet 16s or better means a hell of a lot for the coaching market! Look at brad underwood, or even better, Shaka Smart. Shaka to VCU didnt happen because of VCU regular seasons (and look those up by the way).

As long as that is the currency of the market, you better know it. If your point is that we should look for diamonds in the rough, then I guess I'd like to see a few names of coaches to look at that.


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 17, 2017, 07:53:22 AM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result.  it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.

Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.

You were just talking about how coaching candidates would dislike if a school gauges their interest before firing their current coach, but you think they would be comfortable with a school that fired a coach after finishing several spots above preseason expectations and winning a tournament game?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2017, 08:24:41 AM


Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.

That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.

what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?

A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.

Having sweet 16s or better means a hell of a lot for the coaching market! Look at brad underwood, or even better, Shaka Smart. Shaka to VCU didnt happen because of VCU regular seasons (and look those up by the way).

As long as that is the currency of the market, you better know it. If your point is that we should look for diamonds in the rough, then I guess I'd like to see a few names of coaches to look at that.


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Oh I think AD's should be aware of what a tourney run does to a coach's value but not hire a coach based on such runs, because luck is a much larger factor in 1-2 games. It's not about finding diamonds in the rough, it's about avoiding mistakes like John Groce. (I keep repeating him because he's the only one I can come up with off the top of my head)

What made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.

 Kevin Keatts is an example of someone who may be undervalued because of no NCAA wins, even though he took over a shitty program and won conference regular season titles in years 2 and 3. Just one win would make him a lot more valuable on the market (at least in the eyes of the media, which also influences the market). I also think a guy like Dan Muller at Illinois state will be way undervalued because he didn't make the tournament at all (and went 17-1 in conference!) His conference record has improved every year as well. There's likely others out there.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 17, 2017, 08:30:00 AM
what program did brad build?  because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2017, 09:08:48 AM
what program did brad build?  because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch

Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 17, 2017, 09:41:47 AM
what program did brad build?  because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch

Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.

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What made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.

so i guess your point was that what made underwood a great candidate was that he didn't nosedive his program?  he took over a program loaded with talent, at the top of its league, and who's previous coach just got promoted to a bigger school and then kept it there for 3 seasons.  this is what made him a great candidate?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 17, 2017, 09:43:08 AM
What do you called canned Oscar?  Libby, as is in a can of vienna sausages.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2017, 09:49:30 AM


what program did brad build?  because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch

Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.

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What made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.

so i guess your point was that what made underwood a great candidate was that he didn't nosedive his program?  he took over a program loaded with talent, at the top of its league, and who's previous coach just got promoted to a bigger school and then kept it there for 3 seasons.  this is what made him a great candidate?

I probably should have said "good" instead of "great".
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sys on March 17, 2017, 02:14:43 PM
great is correct.  he took over a goodish program and made it historically great.  and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ChiCat on March 17, 2017, 02:44:43 PM
The goal of a program is to string together wins in March.  While I agree that NCAA wins can be overvalued in a coaching search it should definitely be a consideration.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 17, 2017, 03:22:47 PM
great is correct.  he took over a goodish program and made it historically great.  and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).
but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 17, 2017, 04:07:16 PM
great is correct.  he took over a goodish program and made it historically great.  and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).
but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?

Narratives must fit the narratives.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Chingon on March 17, 2017, 04:12:18 PM
No more FWN!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 17, 2017, 04:14:20 PM
No more FWN!

At this point it's whatever, but I've resigned myself that oscar is back next year.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Chingon on March 17, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Scripts
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 17, 2017, 04:53:36 PM
Scripts

Well, oscar had to go and change the script from what was assumed.

It looked so much like the 12 script for so long, but then oscar somehow morphed this team to fit a combo of 07 & 11.

Unexpected.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2017, 05:33:33 PM
at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result.  it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.

Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.

You were just talking about how coaching candidates would dislike if a school gauges their interest before firing their current coach, but you think they would be comfortable with a school that fired a coach after finishing several spots above preseason expectations and winning a tournament game?

Find me the absolute loser unwilling to follow a guy who's .500ish and only has one post season win, which happens to be in the first four, in five years. That's not even noteworthy at a mid major.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on March 17, 2017, 06:12:24 PM
If Marcus had "new phone, who dis'd" him and ended up staying, where would KSU hoops be today?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: williamthewildcat on March 17, 2017, 07:22:33 PM
We've played against physical defensive teams just like Cincinnati three times this season and while we won the home game, we just seem to run a high weave most of the time without looking inside much. It results in loads of terrible shots and me wanting oscar fired at halftime.

"Well, we were really tired after that flight...."
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on March 17, 2017, 07:31:25 PM
Update?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: memphis on March 17, 2017, 08:01:43 PM
Update?

Firing oscar before he boards the plane, only a pipe dream
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2017, 08:08:36 PM
Tim Weiser fired Wooly before they left the arena, after Wooly's last game.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ELL3 on March 17, 2017, 08:32:32 PM
Play in game hardly counts as NCAA tourney win, just stating facts it got us into field of 64, lame expectations for year five :impatient:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2017, 08:35:29 PM
I don't think there is anyone who I respect that really considers "winning an NCAA tournament game" to  be anything short of making the field of 32.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sleepy on March 17, 2017, 08:46:31 PM
Memphis isn't happy with Tubby and his 3 million per.  Maybe KSU could pick him up.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 17, 2017, 08:49:43 PM
I much preferred this route rather than having this be our own game associated the tourney.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 17, 2017, 08:50:04 PM
Only*
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 17, 2017, 08:51:51 PM
I bet oscar hates ringing phknes.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 17, 2017, 09:01:14 PM
Can't we just admit the last AD make a big rough ridin' mistake and move on?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: CatMission on March 17, 2017, 09:01:55 PM
Apparently Meyers and Veatch were at game and are flying back to MHK tonight for women's game. I would love to hear that conversation.


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: wetwillie on March 17, 2017, 09:04:13 PM
Apparently Meyers and Veatch were at game and are flying back to MHK tonight for women's game. I would love to hear that conversation.


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on March 17, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oKIP8LpfSTh7SQhtm/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 0.42 on March 17, 2017, 09:06:44 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oKIP8LpfSTh7SQhtm/giphy.gif)

 :love:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 17, 2017, 09:29:14 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oKIP8LpfSTh7SQhtm/giphy.gif)

I liked how the announcer was taking about how livid oscar was with the official, then they showed this.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sys on March 17, 2017, 09:36:55 PM
great is correct.  he took over a goodish program and made it historically great.  and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).
but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?

no.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: stunted on March 17, 2017, 09:53:49 PM
you gave us a fun season, big wins, and an ncaa tournament victory.

thank you oscar :blush:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on March 17, 2017, 09:59:17 PM
Any new update?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Justwin on March 17, 2017, 10:20:20 PM
you gave us a fun season, big wins, and an ncaa tournament victory.

thank you oscar :blush:

But not all in the same season.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on March 17, 2017, 10:24:15 PM
Great look for us if he quits to go to drake, imo.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 17, 2017, 10:39:20 PM
If we get a better coach in here next year, it's a perfect scenario this last week....
We get into the Madness. Get to play 2 games in the Tourney (good morale builder and experience for the FR/SOPH), and we change coaches with a nice nucleus here for the next 2 seasons
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 17, 2017, 10:45:35 PM
what program did brad build?  because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch

Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.

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What made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.

so i guess your point was that what made underwood a great candidate was that he didn't nosedive his program?  he took over a program loaded with talent, at the top of its league, and who's previous coach just got promoted to a bigger school and then kept it there for 3 seasons.  this is what made him a great candidate?

One year at Kats U. our offense was stagnating and so was our season as a result. He was the brains behind our newly retooled offense and we turned things around and rattled off a shitload of wins. Then he did the same thing at OSU this year and ultimately took a team that had just fired its coach for having a terrible team and took them to the tournament his very first year. These, in addition to three years out of three at SFA where he absolutely dominated his league AND compiled a bunch of tourney wins all combine to make him a great coach. Don't know why you seem to be somewhat anti-Brad, but it seems kind of petulant at this point. Brad is a good, proven coach who has had success at three different schools. He was the right choice for us, and he still is.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 17, 2017, 10:49:06 PM
Weird post
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 17, 2017, 10:53:56 PM
Sorry, don't know what happened to my original post. Went back and added it.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 17, 2017, 10:55:43 PM
Word up, gangSTAR.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 17, 2017, 10:57:24 PM
We have an acting a AD and 75 year old UP - No up and comer is putting his career on the line with that so we have 3 options - stick with oscar, be a reset button or pay Brad & OSU.  It's only money
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on March 17, 2017, 10:59:08 PM
Last update of the day?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: wetwillie on March 17, 2017, 11:01:21 PM
Rumblings
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2017, 11:03:24 PM
We have an acting a AD and 75 year old UP - No up and comer is putting his career on the line with that so we have 3 options - stick with oscar, be a reset button or pay Brad & OSU.  It's only money

What? You don't really think any of that matters do you? I mean if we're talking about ancillary crap, I'm guessing the fact that the remodel of Jardine is just as important to an incoming coach.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: rob mccolley on March 17, 2017, 11:06:00 PM
Maybe your crazy red state legislature could criminalize Currie's actions, extradite him, and flog him publicly.

Or do you guys do red-hot pokers up the gastrointestinals? That would be even better. Letting OSU hire Brad should be punished criminally.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 17, 2017, 11:09:17 PM
Does a Steve Forbes type want to take his one shot with Laird and The General.  What if Wade and X transfer and he is starting over in year 2 with a new UP and a new AD? 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2017, 11:12:32 PM
Does a Steve Forbes type want to take his one shot with Laird and The General.  What if Wade and X transfer and he is starting over in year 2 with a new UP and a new AD?

If he thinks he's going to win, why would he care?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 17, 2017, 11:16:01 PM
A coach going to a school with no ad sounds like a kid committing to a school with no coach... Most people in these situations want to know who their boss is going to be
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 17, 2017, 11:17:49 PM
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 17, 2017, 11:20:36 PM
I do agree a supremely confident coach is what we need but even a mega ego guy like Gregg Marshal waited for an up and running WSU and not a fixer upper like our program
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Ptolemy on March 17, 2017, 11:23:22 PM
The AD job is SOOO much more attractive with the dirty laundry done.

Fire Oscar Laird!

Let's give the new AD a clean slate.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 17, 2017, 11:28:18 PM
I think Snyder will say who is AD.  He likes Veacht.  So the AD is in place.  I think we need an excited student body and alumni for the long term health of the university.   Excitement yields giving ---- loot. I love Kansas State basketball but I don't sense Weber really loves this university.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 17, 2017, 11:41:16 PM
Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?




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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Ptolemy on March 17, 2017, 11:50:09 PM
Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2017, 12:16:45 AM
Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 07:39:06 AM
Everyone knows that just because Veatch fires him, doesn't mean Veatch hires the next coach, right?  We can rough ridin' fire Weber now, and let the new AD select his own coach....should be enticing for a serious AD candidate to choose his own guy right out of the gate in the #2 sport.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 07:40:00 AM
I mean, I know that is obvious, but seems like we have had a lot of chatter lately about who chooses the next coach and the timing of choosing the next coach. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on March 18, 2017, 07:47:24 AM
So still no update huh?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 07:59:16 AM
So still no update huh?

I know. I got up this morning really hoping to be able to read that he was gone.  It's how I suppose I can approach each new day going forward.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on March 18, 2017, 08:04:23 AM
So still no update huh?

I know. I got up this morning really hoping to be able to read that he was gone.  It's how I suppose I can approach each new day going forward.

I really hope it's on a Saturday or Sunday morning so I can pour a 17 year scotch when I see that it's been done.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: slackcat on March 18, 2017, 08:16:51 AM
Ain't gonna happen  :angry:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2017, 08:29:33 AM
Fired yet: nope
Why not: Laird still asleep?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 18, 2017, 08:33:31 AM
oscar knows his contract won't be extended if he doesn't improve next year. Why wouldn't he leave now so he can parlay his NCAA berth into a 3-5 year job at some midmajor? Even with less pay. It's not like he needs the money or has any real attachment to Manhattan. Go somewhere with lower expectations, less headache, and a guaranteed paycheck for at least 3 years? Seems like a no brainer.

Maybe this'll work itself out for us? Of course, then we're the school that got dumped by oscar instead of being the dumper. I can live with that.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on March 18, 2017, 08:39:47 AM
Fired yet: nope
Why not: Laird still asleep?

:frown:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 18, 2017, 08:51:34 AM
I agree with the comments above.  Weber could have a more comfortable and stress-free life if he leaves on his own terms.  But is he too prideful to do that?  He could get a 5 year $800k/yr contract with bonus incentives at a mid major pretty easily.  There will be plenty of vacancies at that level.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: CatMission on March 18, 2017, 08:59:27 AM
Don't look for anything before Tuesday. Women are hosting first two rounds of tournament and I doubt anyone wants to do anything to distract from that.


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: purplehaze on March 18, 2017, 09:02:06 AM
Ain't gonna happen  :angry:
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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2017, 10:13:59 AM
$500k a year opening just down the street and plenty of 3 star talent overlooked by P5's to recruit in the region.   Good bonuses and former coach could make a sweet deal on a house in a very exclusive neighborhood. 


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 18, 2017, 10:59:57 AM
Would you consider? I'm not sure.

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2012–13   Illinois State   18–15   8–10   6th   
2013–14   Illinois State   18–16   9–9   5th   CBI Semifinals
2014–15   Illinois State   22–13   11–7   T–3rd   NIT 2nd Round
2015–16   Illinois State   18–14   12–6   T–2nd   
2016–17   Illinois State   28–6   17–1   T–1st   NIT
Illinois State:   104–64 (.619)   57–33 (.633)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: O-town Kat on March 18, 2017, 11:12:39 AM
Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?

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On that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2017, 11:13:57 AM
Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?

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On that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.

Was that after OU?


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: O-town Kat on March 18, 2017, 11:19:22 AM
Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?

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On that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.

Was that after OU?


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Before start of B12 tornament when it was apparent 1 good win would get Cats into NCAAs
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2017, 11:20:10 AM
Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?

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On that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.

Was that after OU?


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Before start of B12 tornament when it was apparent 1 good win would get Cats into NCAAs

Hmm. WeirdStanbot?


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 12:13:03 PM
When Stanbot says that....smh
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: O-town Kat on March 18, 2017, 12:18:39 PM
Thought it was pretty strong considering 'bot and oscar are co-workers and around each other all the time. Could've thrown oscar a bone on being here past next season and didn't.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 18, 2017, 03:07:53 PM
From the KC Star - Oscar being asked if he will be coming back next year.

"Oh, no one’s ever told me anything,” he said. “I don’t know anything. But I like K-State. My wife loves it here. We’ve got a good group.”
Not too confident.  Apparently, he has not been reassured.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article139333003.html#storylink=cpy
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sys on March 18, 2017, 03:37:33 PM
go get forbes before osu does, kstate, you idiot.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 03:45:55 PM
Laird!  General!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 18, 2017, 03:47:16 PM
go get forbes before osu does, kstate, you idiot.

Yep.

Or Dooley IMO.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 18, 2017, 03:49:51 PM
joe dooley in manhattan kansas, wouldn't that be something
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2017, 03:54:49 PM
Thought it was pretty strong considering 'bot and oscar are co-workers and around each other all the time. Could've thrown oscar a bone on being here past next season and didn't.

No they aren't
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 18, 2017, 04:32:19 PM
it would be kinda cool if laird texted him that he's out
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 18, 2017, 05:23:15 PM
Wouldn't be very satisfying
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 18, 2017, 06:06:28 PM
I want oscar to find out by bumping into his replacement at Call Hall.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 06:17:36 PM
Just announce it on twitter, Laird.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: grainer on March 18, 2017, 06:30:16 PM
Please take that effing gif of BW doing his blow up sex doll face off this thread. I'm gonna be sick....
Hate that effing sorry excuse for a ****ing basketball coach.


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 18, 2017, 06:39:10 PM
grainer explodes onto the scene
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: grainer on March 18, 2017, 06:43:29 PM
Sorry. I've had enough.
No. Too much.
The thought of watching this pathetic bastard destroy my team for yet another season has driven me out of lurkdom. I want a moratorium issued on face shots of Lord Farquaad. And no more talking to the press!
<face in hands, sobbing>


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 0.42 on March 18, 2017, 06:48:31 PM
lots of zeal
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 18, 2017, 06:48:59 PM
I want a camera on his face all 40 minutes.  It's insane to believe that weird open mouth tongue flicking thing was actually able to walk into a Dallas hotel room and convince a P5 A.D. to hire him just days after HE WAS FIRED FOR SUCKING crap.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 0.42 on March 18, 2017, 06:52:44 PM
I want a camera on his face all 40 minutes.  It's insane to believe that weird open mouth tongue flicking thing was actually able to walk into a Dallas hotel room and convince a P5 A.D. to hire him just days after HE WAS FIRED FOR SUCKING crap.

in fairness that P5 AD has since been exposed as an alien in a body suit with purple cowboy boots
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 06:53:49 PM
I want a camera on his face all 40 minutes.  It's insane to believe that weird open mouth tongue flicking thing was actually able to walk into a Dallas hotel room and convince a P5 A.D. to hire him just days after HE WAS FIRED FOR SUCKING crap.

This.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: grainer on March 18, 2017, 06:56:29 PM
His sex doll face makes Bill's lip-licking salamander impression feel almost normal. When we watch KU we run a pool prior to the game on what the max lip licks is we'll get during one shot. I think the top number was 8. Of course, it is highly dependent on how stressed he gets from the game. But hey - much as I loathe K who, at least they win.
This slack-jawed ph**k face we've got "leading" our program? 
Jeezuz Mary and Joseph.


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: grainer on March 18, 2017, 07:00:27 PM
@whomever fixed it: THANK YOU.


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on March 18, 2017, 08:18:23 PM
grainer explodes onto the scene

breath of fresh air
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 18, 2017, 08:36:51 PM
If weber is our coach next year, he has to scrap his birth control play.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 19, 2017, 06:06:21 AM
go get forbes before osu does, kstate, you idiot.
They pay Forbes a $205,000 salary.  He has a great resume.  Better than Underwood by a mile.  Helped build great programs at Tenn and WichitaSu. Punishment for defending scuz Pearlx but we took a chance once on Huggins.  This guy is clean and humble and dirt plain.  If don't, okiemooos will.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: slackcat on March 19, 2017, 06:22:15 AM
I want oscar to find out by bumping into his replacement at Call Hall.

 :lol:
Title: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 19, 2017, 08:39:16 AM
Every day makes the reality of another miserable year of following K-State hoops get a little closer.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 8manpick on March 19, 2017, 08:45:04 AM
I'm sure it's been said but I haven't paid much attention to the board over the weekend, but it makes me sick that Frank got rough ridin' South Carolina to the round of 32 before oscar got K-State there. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 09:40:23 AM
Every day makes the reality of another miserable year of following K-State hoops get a little closer.

You know they weren't going to do anything while hosting the women's first and second rounds.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 19, 2017, 09:41:43 AM
Every day makes the reality of another miserable year of following K-State hoops get a little closer.

You know they weren't going to do anything while hosting the women's first and second rounds.

Yeah, I get that. It doesn't make seeing nothing done any easier though.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 03:47:41 PM
Can we list Landry Shamet as another reason to despise oscar?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 19, 2017, 03:50:38 PM
Can we list Landry Shamet as another reason to despise oscar?

Backstory?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sys on March 19, 2017, 03:56:28 PM
local recruit who didn't want to play for the most hated program in the country.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2017, 04:17:43 PM
We did offer him according to ESPN. Who would you rather play for?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2017, 04:18:07 PM
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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2017, 04:20:32 PM
local recruit who didn't want to play for the most hated program in the country.
He was a puma!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 19, 2017, 04:31:29 PM
Wow, gregggg's highest rated recruit
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: PIPE on March 19, 2017, 04:39:03 PM
I thought Barry committed to us so we quit recruiting him but maybe he told Weber to eff off

He won either way I guess
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 19, 2017, 04:57:24 PM
Looking at that pic I posted again. I would have hung out with Richie P.

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 05:48:01 PM
We did offer him according to ESPN. Who would you rather play for?

That's the point, we are a program losing recruits to a commuter school in Northeast Wichita, completely unacceptable. They can run a train on the Valley and still not be a viable option for a four star recruit playing locally.

I thought Barry committed to us so we quit recruiting him

If they chose The Flush over Shamet then they are dumber than I thought, then again they did chose Michael Orris over Josh Gray.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2017, 06:38:41 PM
Maybe Josh Gray was a John Currie call.

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Shock Bonnet on March 19, 2017, 07:12:54 PM
I'm sure it's been said but I haven't paid much attention to the board over the weekend, but it makes me sick that Frank got rough ridin' South Carolina to the round of 32 before oscar got K-State there.

Was there ever really any doubt, despite the fact that Frank basically left oscar a sweet sixteen ready roster while taking over a total crap show at USCe?

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: chum1 on March 19, 2017, 07:18:41 PM
Is round of 32 the fulcrum?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 19, 2017, 07:23:49 PM
Is round of 32 the fulcrum?

Last 5 years round of 64 wins.

oscar 0
Frank 1
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: tdaver on March 19, 2017, 07:42:56 PM
Is round of 32 the fulcrum?

Last 5 years round of 64 wins.

oscar 0
Frank 1

Last 10 years

oscar 1
Frank 5
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2017, 07:47:22 PM
Let the record show that in no way do I consider a win in Dayton to be a proper tournament win. At most it counts as half a win, but in my mind, it doesn't count for crap. That's not because I'm looking for a way to discredit oscar, it's merely because Dayton in the tournament is a rough ridin' leper colony.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 19, 2017, 08:23:30 PM
Let the record show that in no way do I consider a win in Dayton to be a proper tournament win. At most it counts as half a win, but in my mind, it doesn't count for crap. That's not because I'm looking for a way to discredit oscar, it's merely because Dayton in the tournament is a rough ridin' leper colony.

Yeah, I enjoyed the win over Wake, I won't deny that, but when anyone worth anything says NCAA wins they mean the round of 64.

Also, give oscar credit for consistency. Since his NC title game appearance he is what he is:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7UvHbEVsAAcK7S.png:large)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 08:54:05 PM
We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 19, 2017, 08:55:15 PM
We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.

I get that, but you've got to win one once you get to the round of 64. We got drilled.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2017, 08:59:10 PM
A win over Cincinnati would have been just as meaningless as the win over Wake.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: chum1 on March 19, 2017, 09:01:11 PM
I'm pretty sure if we'd made the round of 32, the complaints would be about not making the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on March 19, 2017, 09:02:10 PM
That's the infuriating part of this.  Most folks not named John Currie expected that a mediocre coach would continue to be mediocre.

I mean it was so obvious that you can't even enjoy the "I told you so" moment when this thing is finally done.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 19, 2017, 09:03:59 PM
I'm pretty sure if we'd made the round of 32, the complaints would be about not making the Sweet 16.

Obviously, especially since we were so close to beating Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: slackcat on March 19, 2017, 09:07:28 PM
I'm pretty sure if we'd made the round of 32, the complaints would be about not making the Sweet 16.

shut your pie hole.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 19, 2017, 09:08:49 PM
We didn't make the round of 32, so I guess we'll never know.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 09:11:44 PM
We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.

I get that, but you've got to win one once you get to the round of 64. We got drilled.

Of course
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 8manpick on March 19, 2017, 09:19:00 PM
Those SC fans are having a lot of fun :(
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pett on March 19, 2017, 09:31:58 PM
(http://i.giphy.com/3og0IUUMv3ah0WrjI4.gif)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2017, 10:59:14 PM
We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.


checked with the judges, and no, they confirmed that the first four is for stank-ass loser teams
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 19, 2017, 11:07:23 PM
"One positive thing that can definitely be said about oscar Webers career. He's a rarity in that he isn't constantly looking to move on. He seems to be a pretty loyal guy who buys in to wherever he's at. Much different than a lot of his narcissistic compatriots. A rarity these days."
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 19, 2017, 11:08:37 PM
The First Four is a fun aspect of the tournament.  But no, a First Four win should not count as a true tournament win.

I've said it before. I think we have one more year of oscar. We'll miss the tournament and let him go after that.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2017, 11:12:30 PM
The First Four is a fun aspect of the tournament.  But no, a First Four win should not count as a true tournament win.

I've said it before. I think we have one more year of oscar. We'll miss the tournament and let him go after that.


Checked with The Board and they told me that nope, First Four is for giant losers and unless your team is playing in it, you're absolutely never watching that hot garbage because no one cares and there's nothing fun about it.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Ptolemy on March 19, 2017, 11:37:55 PM
The First Four is a fun aspect of the tournament.  But no, a First Four win should not count as a true tournament win.

I've said it before. I think we have one more year of oscar. We'll miss the tournament and let him go after that.

Why let him go then?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2017, 11:44:07 PM
http://awfulannouncing.com/online-outlets/ncaa-makes-kentucky-writer-delete-video.html

The Marshall's


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2017, 11:54:36 PM
K-State basketball is dead.  No amount of explaining or extrapolation or generalization is going to change the fact that we have now regressed to one half step better than we were 15 years ago and it's not going to improve next year, it will likely be worse.   




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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 12:03:48 AM
http://awfulannouncing.com/online-outlets/ncaa-makes-kentucky-writer-delete-video.html

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Gross.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 20, 2017, 12:36:26 AM
Oscar probably never got his wife that excited while breeding her.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ednksu on March 20, 2017, 12:54:15 AM
Dude.....wtf......
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Bookcat on March 20, 2017, 08:26:28 AM
K-State basketball is dead.  No amount of explaining or extrapolation or generalization is going to change the fact that we have now regressed to one half step better than we were 15 years ago and it's not going to improve next year, it will likely be worse.   




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I'm not going to a game. I'm not donating... Why should any fan ask to pledge when KSU won't support a winning program?  They are as tight as uncle scrooge..and we'll forever be small time until we figure out how to bid with the big boys....

Man we're so lucky LHC Bill Snyder didn't dump us all those years ago because he was trough chasing the dollar...but that was the early 90's .......and this is now.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: POWL on March 20, 2017, 08:37:04 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.

source B+
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 20, 2017, 08:45:36 AM
B+ is pretty damned strong, POWL. I'm choosing to believe this.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2017, 08:51:55 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.

source B+

As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 20, 2017, 08:57:56 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.

source B+

As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.

Well then he can get crap canned like Wooly
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Brock Landers on March 20, 2017, 09:01:00 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.

source B+

As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.

You just described a coaching job that fits oscar to a T.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on March 20, 2017, 09:07:16 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.

source B+

As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.

Sounds to me like they're making him an offer he can't refuse.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 20, 2017, 09:07:55 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.

source B+

As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.

Sounds to me like they're making him an offer he can't refuse.

Just like Illinois sweeping in to get Brad.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 20, 2017, 09:09:48 AM
Maybe Drake didn't realize we would let them have oscar without paying the buyout.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 09:42:43 AM
Yeah. I don't get that comment at all. Tsk tsk
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 20, 2017, 11:15:56 AM
hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.

source B+

This would be pretty interesting. I still find it a bit hard to believe, because if oscar is getting let go it should have already. We probably couldn't wait any longer than next week at the latest.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Shock Bonnet on March 20, 2017, 11:35:15 AM
Rumblings that oscar is in hutch at juco tourney in neutral (non KSU) clothing. Can anyone confirm? Renocat? Bueller? Anyone?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on March 20, 2017, 11:37:49 AM
Rumblings that oscar is in hutch at juco tourney in neutral (non KSU) clothing. Can anyone confirm? Renocat? Bueller? Anyone?


Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2017, 11:40:48 AM
Rumblings that oscar is in hutch at juco tourney in neutral (non KSU) clothing. Can anyone confirm? Renocat? Bueller? Anyone?



lol he can't even talk on the phone like a non-weirdo

Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: TheFormerKCCat on March 20, 2017, 11:43:01 AM
Doesn't look like purple to me, more pink?

I think General Myers is focused on the AD search. Next priority is to make sure there is a bona fide succession plan for our football program. We may want to keep all basketball discussion to the WBB team and South Carolina/Frank. That's all that matters at this point. I think oscar earned his 'pass' for the next few months.

What are the Lady 'Cats' chances against Stanford? Stanford's really good, no?

Can Frank take down Baylor?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2017, 12:41:42 PM
I don't think the K-State women or Frank's Cocks have much of a chance at winning their next games.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 12:43:00 PM
Say it ain't so!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 8manpick on March 20, 2017, 12:51:41 PM
I don't think the K-State women or Frank's Cocks have much of a chance at winning their next games.

If oscar's Cats can beat Scott's Bears twice, I see no reason to write off Frank's Cocks :ck:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2017, 01:13:17 PM
Not that I wish it on my UNCdub friends, but UNCWdub is a pretty decent mid-major job.   He'll make a half a million, the area is rich in b-ball talent, a school that supports b-ball relatively well, decent facility.    It's one of the top two programs in the CAA.   Hell, he was halfway to Charleston before he got called by Currie's (K-State's reps).

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: BostonPancake on March 20, 2017, 01:19:14 PM
Is oscar wearing pleated pants??   :facepalm:

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 20, 2017, 01:23:51 PM
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.

If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 20, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Not that I wish it on my UNCdub friends, but UNCWdub is a pretty decent mid-major job.   He'll make a half a million, the area is rich in b-ball talent, a school that supports b-ball relatively well, decent facility.    It's one of the top two programs in the CAA.   Hell, he was halfway to Charleston before he got called by Currie's (K-State's reps).



Its much better than Drake.

Plus, the mid major that gets oscar probably doesn't have to worry about oscar jumping. He'll finish his career there if he's successful enough to stay.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2017, 01:51:16 PM
How much would we owe oscar if we crap canned him today?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Gooch on March 20, 2017, 02:05:09 PM
It would be worth every penny.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2017, 02:10:19 PM
I don't know where else to put this.

This is pretty funny.

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/ 

Half way down.

I don't have any problem with leading the cheers, but she did act pretty trashy and based on what I know the Marshall's probably fuel each other.   You can clearly see she drops and F-Bomb and then she leans into the writer's table with the "hitting the weight room" comment.   Also reports she was yelling for Cal to sit down amongst other F-bomb droppage. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 02:14:02 PM
Glad my cats didn't loss to that garbage.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 20, 2017, 02:14:59 PM
How much would we owe oscar if we crap canned him today?

Think I've heard both 2 mill and 2.5 million, but also heard he would get a 500k retention bonus if he's still our coach come April 1st, but I can't find that in the contract (for this year, looks like it would kick in in 2019).

So anywhere between 2-3mill, I guess?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2017, 02:16:46 PM
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.

If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
Well, yeah.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2017, 02:18:31 PM
Okay, but who the hell are we gonna hire?

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 20, 2017, 02:21:08 PM
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.

If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
Well, yeah.

Quote from: Fitz a few minutes ago
If oscar Weber is going to Drake (or any mid-major) it will only be after he's fired and gets his buyout. However, there are still rumblings in the coaching world that K-State has been reaching out to candidates. It's really hard to time date those feelers, though. Maybe losing in the round of 64 was good enough and the contacts with coaches, direct or indirectly, have ended. I will continue to dig.

So, assuming this is accurate, we should've fired him as he walked off the floor Friday.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2017, 02:23:46 PM
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.

If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.

There was no ultimatum to take the Drake or any other job. That's absolutely insane.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 20, 2017, 02:27:52 PM
POWL has a B+ source, though... (http://emojipedia-us.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/f3/65/f365b00dca91824f050ea166448b5ba0.png)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pvegs on March 20, 2017, 02:29:51 PM
it's a new low in kstate bball when oscar has us dissecting if his shirt is lavender or pink
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: PIPE on March 20, 2017, 02:37:32 PM
it's a new low in kstate bball when oscar has us dissecting if his shirt is lavender or pink

I think it is pink

Now, what brand is another story......Marc Anthony from Kohl's?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: TheFormerKCCat on March 20, 2017, 02:52:40 PM
I don't think the K-State women or Frank's Cocks have much of a chance at winning their next games.
You're really harshing my buzz, MIR. Geez!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2017, 03:25:59 PM
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.

If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.

There was no ultimatum to take the Drake or any other job. That's absolutely insane.

"If you don't leave for a 500k job we are going to hand you 2 million, the choice is yours "
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 20, 2017, 03:28:26 PM
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.

If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.

There was no ultimatum to take the Drake or any other job. That's absolutely insane.

"If you don't leave for a 500k job we are going to hand you 2 million, the choice is yours "

Oh, and feel free to take the job after
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 20, 2017, 07:37:28 PM
Guys checking in, is oscar fired yet?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 20, 2017, 09:34:20 PM
Steve Dave, tomorrow I predict will be a great day.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 10:05:17 PM
Everyday is a great day, reno.

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 20, 2017, 10:25:43 PM
:thumbs:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sys on March 20, 2017, 11:16:38 PM
"If you don't leave for a 500k job we are going to hand you 2 million, the choice is yours "

lol.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 20, 2017, 11:32:59 PM
http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_e23b1ada-0ccf-11e7-8fbc-570ff2e9bac0.html
Tom Crean was thought to be the choice for the LSU job.  One article I read indicated they asked Crean if he was interested; nope and hell nope.  Today 2 IU recruits ask to be let out of their LOC.  Sounds like a package deal in the making.  Strange KSU Monkeyballs shiners have not said Weber is our man.  As long as the women were playing likely no coach announced.  If keeping weber, I would have thought MyersVeatch would have given an attaboy statement for Oscar.  Women done playing.  A.package deal with Crean, a good coach and recruiter, and 2 good players for the signing.  Good day tomorrow.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 21, 2017, 12:01:44 AM
Another fired big 10 coach. To be fair, Crean has 2 big 10 titles and 3 Sweet 16s in the last 6 seasons.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 21, 2017, 06:23:47 AM
Another fired big 10 coach. To be fair, Crean has 2 big 10 titles and 3 Sweet 16s in the last 6 seasons.

And his narcissism is off the charts, even for coaches.

Crean would be a form of oscar - Part 2.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pett on March 21, 2017, 07:11:33 AM
it's a new day. has oscar been fired yet?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: illBisonYourdele on March 21, 2017, 07:40:22 AM
 :Crybaby:
it's a new day. has oscar been fired yet?

GPC was down this morning. Methinks something is afoot.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Three Fingers on March 21, 2017, 08:37:45 AM
:Crybaby:
it's a new day. has oscar been fired yet?

GPC was down this morning. Methinks something is afoot.

All Rivals boards are down. Without the mainboard I feel lost at sea.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 21, 2017, 01:29:40 PM
QUESTION: Wasn't there something like a 1.5 million dollar buyout for Currie? Or was he such a crap we waved it to GHTFO?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 21, 2017, 03:38:12 PM
QUESTION: Wasn't there something like a 1.5 million dollar buyout for Currie? Or was he such a crap we waved it to GHTFO?

I read that too, but I'm not sure. This article says it was that amount: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article135465724.html

Quote
His buyout was $1.55 million, which he or Tennessee may owe K-State.

This Tennessee article says different: http://tennessee.247sports.com/Article/Tennessee-releases-contract-details-for-new-AD-John-Currie-51583378

Quote
The Vols are responsible for Currie's buyout at Kansas State, which according to the MOU will not exceed $175,000.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 21, 2017, 03:51:22 PM
$1.5 million buyout for someone like John Currie seems extremely excessive. When I mean someone like John Currie I mean someone still young and at a school like K-State. I would think that would have greatly limited his options and his agent would be more shrewd than that.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 21, 2017, 04:56:55 PM
Woof!

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on March 21, 2017, 04:57:29 PM
1.5m is what we had to pay to fire him.  $175K is what he had to pay to go elsewhere.  It's Section 14 of the original agreement and never got amended.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38998.0
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 21, 2017, 04:57:33 PM
Maybe Bill is paying it
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 21, 2017, 05:23:11 PM
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/03/21/tom-crean-indiana-hoosiers-fired
Read.  We need a draft Tom movement like we did for brad.  With Currie gone, they might listen.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2017, 05:33:55 PM
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/03/21/tom-crean-indiana-hoosiers-fired
Read.  We need a draft Tom movement like we did for brad.  With Currie gone, they might listen.
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He also mentioned that Northwestern coach Chris Collins sent Riley a powerful text about his dad, former NBA coach Doug Collins, getting fired by the Bulls in 1989 while Chris Collins was in high school. “Going through that helped prepare him and make him the man he is now and the position that he is in now,” Crean said the text read. “That. Is. Strong.”

Oh, the plight of teenage sons of fired millionaires.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on March 21, 2017, 05:54:07 PM
Oh, the plight of teenage sons of fired millionaires.

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The most emotion showed may have come from a hug from his cleaning lady.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 21, 2017, 06:06:18 PM
Affluenza is a real disease guys. :frown:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 21, 2017, 07:42:12 PM
So, are you all saying keep Oscar because Crean's kid cried?  We are all crying over the possibility of more years of mediOscarity.   The SI article says crean wants to go to a place with good facilities, good fans, a town he can get involved in, and no ahole administrator.  He wants to coach next year, probably power 5 school.  Only such school open Okiestate that seems to want Gottlips.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2017, 07:48:37 PM
I don't want Crean because he sucks but his story about his son was a very funny egomaniac coach story.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 21, 2017, 08:01:30 PM
I don't want Crean because he sucks but his story about his son was a very funny egomaniac coach story.


Crean is a piece of crap.
Title: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 21, 2017, 08:15:25 PM
Tho, I shouldn't worry about Crean, because he has way too big of an ego to be in little old Manhattan under the shadow of Bill Self.  Now way he takes the KSU job even if it was offered.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 21, 2017, 09:06:06 PM
Crean is just BWv2
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: wetwillie on March 21, 2017, 09:14:41 PM
I don't get what happened at Indiana.   He rebuilt the thing from a really low point and had it rolling and then just tanked. i don't think it's similar to oscar at all.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pvegs on March 21, 2017, 09:17:26 PM
i wouldn't want crean long term but if you gave me the option of oscar year 6 or 1 year of crean, i'd take crean. he's a psycho and highly gif'able so at least we'd be entertained
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: KITNfury on March 21, 2017, 09:46:24 PM
Crean is solid i think
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: mocat on March 21, 2017, 09:50:30 PM
Crean does not pass the eye test
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pvegs on March 21, 2017, 09:51:17 PM
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Don't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.

man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on March 21, 2017, 10:39:33 PM
i wouldn't want crean long term but if you gave me the option of oscar year 6 or 1 year of crean, i'd take crean. he's a psycho and highly gif'able so at least we'd be entertained

Year 6 is gonna be the most entertaining yet.  With almost everyone on board as early as the first lol open gym, kstatembb 17-18 has the opportunity to be the most hated team in the history of the world, and it's not one to be taken lightly.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on March 21, 2017, 11:10:47 PM
eff this is gonna be a long wait :frown:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 21, 2017, 11:14:09 PM
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Don't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.

man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.

I like Frank, I don't share the sycophantic love of Frank that so many on here have.   So I'll say that it's absolutely true that Frank buried extremely capable and much-needed depth for extremely weird and maniacal reasons at times, and that point was proven with several players once he was gone.   FFS, guys who turned out to be good players for effing oscar Weber couldn't even fart and Frank yanked them from the game. 

Truth

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 21, 2017, 11:50:07 PM
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Don't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.

man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.

I like Frank, I don't share the sycophantic love of Frank that so many on here have.   So I'll say that it's absolutely true that Frank buried extremely capable and much-needed depth for extremely weird and maniacal reasons at times, and that point was proven with several players once he was gone.   FFS, guys who turned out to be good players for effing oscar Weber couldn't even fart and Frank yanked them from the game. 

Truth

Like who?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 22, 2017, 06:32:39 AM
Frank has changed as a coach.  Not too long ago SC suspended him for a sideline tirade.  He has learned from this.  I am tired of the old girlfriend syndrome many still have for Frank.  For KState he is in our history; this chicken is dead, stewed, eaten, and sent to the sewage plant.  So do we hold a new coach to a Martin standard or a Oscar standard.  Not to a personality standard for either, but results standard yes.  IU redassfans wanted Crean to be Knight.  Dumb bastards lost a good coach.  Crean would be a hell of a lot better than Weber.

I think as a previous post stated - something is afoot.  Can anyone find anything recently saying the ADministration has praised Weber. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pvegs on March 22, 2017, 07:15:11 AM
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Don't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.

man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.

I like Frank, I don't share the sycophantic love of Frank that so many on here have.   So I'll say that it's absolutely true that Frank buried extremely capable and much-needed depth for extremely weird and maniacal reasons at times, and that point was proven with several players once he was gone.   FFS, guys who turned out to be good players for effing oscar Weber couldn't even fart and Frank yanked them from the game. 

Truth

i was more like making fun of hating on our best postseason run in 30 years for ending in a loss to the future coach of the celtics and a first round nba'er. but whatever dude.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 22, 2017, 10:38:29 AM
The women are done playing.  oscar is still our coach. 

Dark times friends, dark times.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 0.42 on March 22, 2017, 11:36:14 AM
Kind of interesting that the administration is embodying Snyder levels of utter silence right now (unless I missed something). I'd like to think that there'e some sort of master plan to network and get a replacement coach locked down by the end of the NCAA torn-a-ment, because if they're just sitting on their hands and while fiddling around with the AD situation, that's only going to make the drumbeat of pissed off non-gE fans like Fitz louder.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: manpow5 on March 22, 2017, 12:59:25 PM
Kind of interesting that the administration is embodying Snyder levels of utter silence right now (unless I missed something). I'd like to think that there'e some sort of master plan to network and get a replacement coach locked down by the end of the NCAA torn-a-ment, because if they're just sitting on their hands and while fiddling around with the AD situation, that's only going to make the drumbeat of pissed off non-gE fans like Fitz louder.

Yea, been wondering when we were going to get some insidery info about the AD search, but nothing yet  :cry:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Yard Dog on March 22, 2017, 01:21:08 PM
http://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-should

We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs.   :crossfingers:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 22, 2017, 01:37:59 PM
Crean said he hopes to coach in 2017-18 but will wait to find the right fit before accepting a new job.

"The only thing worse than having this happen is to go somewhere we're not aligned properly," Crean said. "A good job, a great job, those all come down to the alignment. Resources are important. Facilities are important. Tradition is important. Fan bases are important. Where can you recruit is important. But alignment is key. That, for me, is what you're looking for."

SI interview with Tom Crean.  Sounds us.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 22, 2017, 02:01:03 PM
I'd be more excited about Hoiberg than most of the other names that get thrown around here. But I'm not reading much into the silence. The AD knows they're just going to piss people off if they throw support behind oscar, so why bother saying anything if you expect him back next year?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: KITNfury on March 22, 2017, 02:20:13 PM
I'd run to the nearest semi-private spot and rub one out over Hoib. I can't think of any reason a tater wouldn't love having him.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 22, 2017, 02:22:08 PM
Kind of interesting that the administration is embodying Snyder levels of utter silence right now (unless I missed something). I'd like to think that there'e some sort of master plan to network and get a replacement coach locked down by the end of the NCAA torn-a-ment, because if they're just sitting on their hands and while fiddling around with the AD situation, that's only going to make the drumbeat of pissed off non-gE fans like Fitz louder.

Yea, been wondering when we were going to get some insidery info about the AD search, but nothing yet  :cry:

Hearing they're putting a full court press on Hocutt, they really want him. Sounds like Weiberg isn't much of an option due the OSU job possibly being open soon.

Expect it to be Veatch if it's not Hocutt.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 02:49:23 PM
hoiberg seems impossible but oh man would I love it
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2017, 03:01:09 PM
our fanbase talking about the possibility of fred hoiberg considering kansas state is pretty embarrassing fwiw
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 22, 2017, 03:08:14 PM
every mayor a wildcat
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 03:16:52 PM
our fanbase talking about the possibility of fred hoiberg considering kansas state is pretty embarrassing fwiw

:frown:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2017, 03:35:56 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching.  and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Yard Dog on March 22, 2017, 03:39:44 PM
our fanbase talking about the possibility of fred hoiberg considering kansas state is pretty embarrassing fwiw

Please expound on this line of thinking. Is it because of the inevitable pay cut?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 22, 2017, 03:41:17 PM
For a fan base that hates all things Iowa- Waters, Ertz, etc. I'm so surprised they'd take him in with open arms.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 22, 2017, 04:01:50 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching.  and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?

No one wants to go back to the same job they just left after getting fired from the new job they left it for.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: hatingfrancis on March 22, 2017, 04:24:46 PM
For a fan base that hates all things Iowa- Waters, Ertz, etc. I'm so surprised they'd take him in with open arms.

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 22, 2017, 04:29:30 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching.  and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?

Then lets take Prohm, I don't think it is out the question that Prohm isn't the better coach.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: meow meow on March 22, 2017, 04:39:50 PM
Love Ertz, don't love Waters, get it right.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 22, 2017, 04:55:56 PM
Who hates ertz??  :confused:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 22, 2017, 04:58:11 PM
Who hates ertz??  :confused:
Many before he got good, because of Iowa.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: meow meow on March 22, 2017, 04:59:56 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 22, 2017, 05:00:05 PM
http://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-should

We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs.   :crossfingers:
let me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2017, 06:32:15 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching.  and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?

Well Prohm very well may leave on his own, maybe we can get him if oscar gets canned late. ISU gave him a new contract today and it confirms that Jamie Pollard is a cheap eff, who doesn't care about basketball.

Get this, they have the dude a one year extension and a 250,000 raise; I didn't leave out a zero. So before they redid his contract only Chris Beard made less, he passed no one in the list. The poor bastard only makes $1.75 million  :lol:

When Iowa State stops lucking into basketball success the fall will be long and hard. There is no reason at all the head coach of a program that sells 15,000 tickets every night should only make $1.75 million, that's a joke.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 06:33:15 PM
http://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-should

We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs.   :crossfingers:
let me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
haha I made this same joke a while back
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 06:34:06 PM


iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching.  and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?

What jobs are open? I don't think Indiana would take him.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2017, 06:39:00 PM
Just to be clear the raise wasn't $250,000 per year, it was $250,000 only.
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The amendment set a 2020-21 salary at $1.75 million, which added $875,000 to both sides' buyout obligation should Prohm leave for another job or ISU terminate him without cause.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 22, 2017, 06:40:59 PM
iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching.  and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?

Well Prohm very well may leave on his own, maybe we can get him if oscar gets canned late. ISU gave him a new contract today and it confirms that Jamie Pollard is a cheap eff, who doesn't care about basketball.

Get this, they have the dude a one year extension and a 250,000 raise; I didn't leave out a zero. So before they redid his contract only Chris Beard made less, he passed no one in the list. The poor bastard only makes $1.75 million  :lol:

When Iowa State stops lucking into basketball success the fall will be long and hard. There is no reason at all the head coach of a program that sells 15,000 tickets every night should only make $1.75 million, that's a joke.

That's really pretty unbelievable. They are currently one of the top 3-4 programs in this league with probably the 2nd best fan base, they should act like it.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 06:45:09 PM
He had Brad-esque success at his first stop, too. Would take.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2017, 06:48:54 PM
They said thru would renegotiate with him "later" whatever that means. They're using his being due at the end of the week as cover for being ridiculous. If you want a good wtf, read here

http://www.amestrib.com/sports/20170322/mens-basketball-prohm-on-contract-well-sit-down-and-well-talk-and-well-go-from-there-i-just-like-being-here
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 06:52:41 PM
I didn't realize LSU hired Will Wade
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ELL3 on March 22, 2017, 08:07:25 PM
I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: BackPayne on March 22, 2017, 08:36:19 PM
I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings

 :impatient:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 22, 2017, 08:41:14 PM
Guys oscar ain't goin anywhere


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 22, 2017, 09:08:22 PM
They said thru would renegotiate with him "later" whatever that means. They're using his being due at the end of the week as cover for being ridiculous. If you want a good wtf, read here

http://www.amestrib.com/sports/20170322/mens-basketball-prohm-on-contract-well-sit-down-and-well-talk-and-well-go-from-there-i-just-like-being-here
wow- how big was the dent Steve put in his Taurus when he saw that Brad got a $18 million contract?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 22, 2017, 09:09:36 PM
http://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-should

We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs.   :crossfingers:
let me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
haha I made this same joke a while back
oh, let me be the second then
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 09:11:57 PM
http://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-should

We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs.   :crossfingers:
let me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
haha I made this same joke a while back
oh, let me be the second then
I enjoyed it more the second time. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2017, 09:58:50 PM
 :dunno:
maybe pollard isn't a cheap ad.  maybe iowa state is just really poor and they did all that they could?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 22, 2017, 10:16:39 PM
:dunno:
maybe pollard isn't a cheap ad.  maybe iowa state is just really poor and they did all that they could?

Their football program is terrible, so that seems plausible.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 22, 2017, 10:21:58 PM
I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings

LOL, no there isn't. Drake offered the head coach of the University of South Dakota $500,000 per year, he currently makes $200,000. I believe they gave him 24 hours to make a decision.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: meow meow on March 23, 2017, 08:23:24 AM
how is ISU so poor?  don't they sell out basketball and football on the reg?  are their tickets like $2 each?  not charging enough for walking tacos?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 23, 2017, 08:53:04 AM
if they weren't so poor wouldn't they have done something with their concrete bunker basketball arena and their naia football field?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: meow meow on March 23, 2017, 09:04:47 AM
if they weren't so poor wouldn't they have done something with their concrete bunker basketball arena and their naia football field?

makes you think
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: PIPE on March 23, 2017, 09:16:51 AM
They are still prolly paying off all the damage from the flood

Lots of sheetrock to install, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 23, 2017, 10:20:45 AM
maybe they took an oath of poorness?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: wetwillie on March 23, 2017, 11:31:07 AM
Revenues are same as ours, maybe they just are bad at managing money.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on March 23, 2017, 12:40:07 PM
So still nothing?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: #LIFE on March 23, 2017, 01:02:18 PM
Need to organize an #OccupyBTF until his loser ass is fired
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 23, 2017, 01:06:46 PM
Probably have a done deal with one of the sweet 16 coaches
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 23, 2017, 01:07:37 PM
Well coach Cal just signed an extension. So it's not him.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 23, 2017, 01:07:48 PM
Must be one of 15 others
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Yard Dog on March 23, 2017, 04:01:17 PM
Must be one of 15 others

 :crossfingers:

Mark Few

-or-

Dana Altman coming home
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 23, 2017, 04:24:30 PM
Must be one of 15 others

Chris Holtmann

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: KITNfury on March 23, 2017, 04:46:04 PM
Once he made the tourney and Currie left, our fate was sealed. Not sure how anyone hoped/felt differently.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 23, 2017, 06:43:50 PM
Must be one of 15 others

 :crossfingers:

Mark Few

-or-

Dana Altman coming home


i know this is going to sound uber weird but i really don't want altman back.  instead of oscar? sure.  but not much else.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on March 23, 2017, 06:47:48 PM
Man this is taking for-ev-er!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 23, 2017, 07:16:23 PM
Man this is taking for-ev-er!


I know.  Most boringest KSU cat coach search ever.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ELL3 on March 23, 2017, 09:27:10 PM
I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings

LOL, no there isn't. Drake offered the head coach of the University of South Dakota $500,000 per year, he currently makes $200,000. I believe they gave him 24 hours to make a decision.

Remember Oscar flirted with Saint Louis last off season a bit, oh well, runnerup to the first year South Dakota coach that finished .500, good try ole Oscar
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on March 24, 2017, 07:58:51 AM
Status: Nope.

Reason: Chatting with Melanie's grandpa in Hutch.

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 24, 2017, 09:32:48 AM
I bet our hutch cats and squawks could get more info
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 24, 2017, 11:07:35 AM
It seems weird that I can't find any post season statement from our sports administration that praises Weber on a good year.  Someone posted maybe we are discussing something with a Sweet 16 coach.  Chris Holtmann is being courted by OSU.  Why not KSU?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 24, 2017, 11:16:59 AM
What if we steal billy self?  :Wha:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on March 24, 2017, 11:29:43 AM
Self would never go to a school that cares about football.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: BackPayne on March 25, 2017, 10:36:58 AM
When is this doofus going to get canned?! Good grief!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 25, 2017, 10:47:01 AM
Rome is burning, and we have a bunch of Neros. I'll write an email for them if they lack the stones to can him face to gapping mouth face.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 25, 2017, 10:48:16 AM
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on March 25, 2017, 11:10:44 AM
:frown:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 25, 2017, 12:09:48 PM
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.


If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber.  Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: AppleJack on March 25, 2017, 12:54:44 PM
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.


If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber.  Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.

Can I watch on my color television set?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 25, 2017, 12:55:47 PM
nope
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 25, 2017, 12:56:36 PM
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.


If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber.  Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.

Can I watch on my color television set?

I'm fairly certain Pete advocates total abstinence when it comes to Weber and K-State basketball.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 25, 2017, 02:08:20 PM
It will be easier to not watch if Cartier doesn't pan out or transfers. I only cared this year because of Wes.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 25, 2017, 02:36:56 PM
Hooterville Bill next door going the final four.  Frank has his team knocking on the door to the final four.  Mizzou has gone from poor on its way to soar.  Cowokies have a new young coach that won't be a bore.  We have old Oscar the bore that should have be gone after four.

This is sad.  I wore my lucky KState shirt today.  The weather man said a it would be a lukewarm and dreary day, seemed like appropriate apparel.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Kat Kid on March 25, 2017, 02:46:56 PM
I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.


If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber.  Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.

Can I watch on my color television set?

I'm fairly certain Pete advocates total abstinence when it comes to Weber and K-State basketball.

Ever since Pete stopped expending his viral essences on K-State sports he has lost 50 lbs and turned in to pure hot silver steel.

Me?  I'm oscar's big happy dough boy.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 25, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
Ever since Pete stopped expending his viral essences on K-State sports he has lost 50 lbs and turned in to pure hot silver steel.

Me?  I'm oscar's big happy dough boy.

I was in the same bo(y)at at the beginning of January and have since slimmed down a bit, but nothing in comparison to Pete.

It would be pretty weird for me to be right on the fence though between two things.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Chingon on March 25, 2017, 08:00:09 PM
 

oscar is the coach KSU deserves 

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 26, 2017, 02:42:51 PM


oscar is the coach KSU deserves 

Sent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk

But not the one it needs.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 26, 2017, 02:53:04 PM
He's Adam West Batman.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: slackcat on March 26, 2017, 03:26:41 PM
Is he still here?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 26, 2017, 03:43:02 PM
Why is this soul-sucking dufoos still on my campus?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: IPA4Me on March 26, 2017, 03:44:06 PM
Eff JC  and oscar
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Phil Titola on March 26, 2017, 03:52:36 PM
oscar isn't fired yet as kstate was waiting for frank to go out of the tournament. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2017, 05:13:21 PM
Good luck to the new AD's twitter account if he doesn't use the introductory press conference to fire oscar. Frank's final four was more harmful to oscar than the timing of Currie's departure was helpful.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 26, 2017, 05:26:15 PM
Good luck to the new AD's twitter account if he doesn't use the introductory press conference to fire oscar. Frank's final four was more harmful to oscar than the timing of Currie's departure was helpful.


I hope you are correct.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: O-town Kat on March 26, 2017, 05:29:12 PM
Good luck to the new AD's twitter account if he doesn't use the introductory press conference to fire oscar. Frank's final four was more harmful to oscar than the timing of Currie's departure was helpful.
Agree
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: TheHamburglar on March 26, 2017, 11:08:14 PM
I would love to know how many emails Laird has received within 1 hour of each of Frank's last 3 wins.

To expand on MIR's point, if they pick Laird now I wonder if they'll wait a couple more weeks just to let the fire die down.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pete on March 27, 2017, 05:40:48 AM
If they are picking Currie's partner, Laird, then jack rough ridin' squat will be done.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on March 27, 2017, 06:49:58 AM
Emailed him.  Needed lots of words.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 8manpick on March 27, 2017, 07:02:47 AM
He's Adam West Batman.

I feel this went underappreciated
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 27, 2017, 08:07:51 AM
Tell'em 8man
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: BackPayne on March 27, 2017, 10:17:55 AM
Any rumblings?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 0.42 on March 27, 2017, 10:20:38 AM
Any rumblings?

Nah they're gonna cone of silence this all the way to a oscar extension announcement at 1 AM on a Sunday
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on March 27, 2017, 01:15:08 PM
Any rumblings?

The only rumblings are coming from oscar's stomach.

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2017, 01:17:51 PM
hey oscar, chicken nuggets wouldn't be in the soda aisle  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dlew12 on March 27, 2017, 03:44:49 PM
weirdo tweet by @lukemc58.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 27, 2017, 03:49:14 PM
weirdo tweet by @lukemc58.

I laughed, but man that's stalkery.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2017, 03:51:48 PM
If oscar is still comfortable running errands out and about manhattan, then you people that want him gone aren't pulling your weight.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Ptolemy on March 27, 2017, 05:37:26 PM
Ugh!

http://themercury.com/articles/weber-to-return-for-sixth-season

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 27, 2017, 05:38:49 PM
Cool
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2017, 05:46:26 PM
weirdo tweet by @lukemc58.

I laughed, but man that's stalkery.

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2017, 05:53:41 PM
Quote
“We took a step forward this year, and we look forward to making another step forward next year,” Athletics Director Laird Veatch told The Mercury Monday.

:lol:  :woot:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: tdaver on March 27, 2017, 05:55:02 PM
Welp... Laird Veatch is no longer an acceptable candidate for AD  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Ptolemy on March 27, 2017, 07:00:44 PM
It's really a dumb move for a potential AD candidate. Veatch could have distinguished himself from the other AD candidates by making the call that Oscar was done here.  But he didn't.  He even went that extra step of defending Oscar, so now when the team loses again next year, if Veatch is the AD, he's got an albatross across his neck because Oscar is now his guy.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ELL3 on March 27, 2017, 07:07:48 PM
Laird and Myers can f themselves, let Brad slip away and they are happy with this loser, BOYCOTT
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 27, 2017, 07:33:43 PM
Maybe Laird is giving oscar the thumbs up to cheat more? 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 27, 2017, 07:34:02 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.

Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: manpow5 on March 27, 2017, 08:04:26 PM
Maybe he was hoping to get Frank or Underwood and both kinda went big and didn't go home so he's seeing what the coaching pool is like next year since this years isn't fantastic?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on March 27, 2017, 08:06:20 PM
That is my hope manpow
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 27, 2017, 08:19:46 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.

Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?

Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 27, 2017, 08:30:07 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.

Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?

Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.

I hope this is the case.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2017, 09:08:30 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.

Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?

Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.

I hope this is the case.

you guys are giving far too much credit to an athletic department who has proven itself to be completely incompetent when it relates to their coaches
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 27, 2017, 09:22:15 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.

Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?

Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.

I hope this is the case.

you guys are giving far too much credit to an athletic department who has proven itself to be completely incompetent when it relates to their coaches

Yep
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Chingon on March 27, 2017, 09:49:08 PM
This was never in question. They weren't waiting on anything,  I imagine they were surprised to have to say anything.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 27, 2017, 09:55:14 PM
This was never in question. They weren't waiting on anything,  I imagine they were surprised to have to say anything.

Yup
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: PIPE on March 27, 2017, 10:10:31 PM
Yup. Yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on March 27, 2017, 10:27:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AShkaPT.png)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 27, 2017, 10:28:31 PM
Pretty mumped up
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2017, 10:43:51 PM
was it really a strangely timed announcement? It's almost a year to the date from this:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article68678882.html
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 27, 2017, 10:54:58 PM
K-State athletics, where there is a fine line between excuses and analysis.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: porky morgan on March 27, 2017, 11:06:47 PM
Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Ptolemy on March 27, 2017, 11:51:51 PM
Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport

Yes, because it is so very trying in a $100K+ position to have to distinctly focus on two tasks at once...writing a list of potential football coaches to one-day replace a legend plus finding a basketball coach that can possibly strive to even think of getting his team into the NCAA tournament every year.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MadCat on March 27, 2017, 11:55:01 PM
Doug Gottlieb still available?
 :Lurk:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 28, 2017, 12:11:24 AM
Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport

No
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 02:29:10 AM
Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport

What exactly is the athletic department or anyone else doing to address this supposed "pressing football transition?" Does Laird Veatch give LHC Bill Snyder daily cancer scans? Are the rest of the athletic department employees dividing and conquering interviews with all football coaches in America for the eventual day LHC Bill Snyder quits at some point?

I know your post was just a reason to take some stupid shot at college basketball but it is actually quite a critical revenue sport. Any revenue stream is crucial.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 28, 2017, 06:24:19 AM
You shut your disrespectful mouth. nobody gets to talk to porky morgan like that.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 28, 2017, 08:35:42 AM
I think the barely tolerable was in reference to oscar not cbb as a whole
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 28, 2017, 08:37:37 AM
It really is amazing to me that some of you were still holding out hope that he'd be fired this year. Once he beat Baylor in the tourney, that sailed away.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 08:39:25 AM
i think some people hold out hope that despite continually doing the wrong thing for years, and while trying to screw things up further, that our university will stumble and accidentally do something right for once.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on March 28, 2017, 08:41:29 AM
Hope is a good thing.  Being a KSU Cats basketball fan requires a substantial amount of it.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: XocolateThundarr on March 28, 2017, 08:52:57 AM
Hope is a good thing.  Being a KSU Cats basketball fan requires a substantial amount of it.

(http://52.10.151.222/wp-content/uploads/hopeandchange-s1.jpg)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 28, 2017, 09:51:18 AM
You shut your disrespectful mouth. nobody gets to talk to porky morgan like that.

:lol: #FAMILY
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 28, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
What will next year look like?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8BPDEpVYAElQ1l.png:large)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 28, 2017, 11:48:22 AM
Next year will probably be about like year 2 of Martin. Maybe a little bit worse.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 28, 2017, 11:55:45 AM
Also a factor with the numbers is when Currie (I think) switched from counting actual attendance to tickets sold.

That factors into sell outs; I was at the Texas game this year as an example and technically it was "sold out" because attendance is listed at capacity, but it wasn't full. There were probably 10K people there, but not full.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 12:14:42 PM
You shut your disrespectful mouth. nobody gets to talk to porky morgan like that.

Sorry bub, it needed to be said. It was gentle, respectful PI.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 28, 2017, 12:27:43 PM
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 28, 2017, 12:33:44 PM

Very dishonest
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 28, 2017, 12:35:24 PM
currie, that ole sly dog
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 12:42:02 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on March 28, 2017, 12:43:28 PM
So are we gonna lock this thing down until next year or what?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: #LIFE on March 28, 2017, 12:50:08 PM
Need to start planting receipts of oscar wiring money to whichever pud players he is out recruiting
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 12:57:02 PM
So are we gonna lock this thing down until next year or what?

no.  we took a step forward towards getting him fired this year and we look forward to making another step forward next year

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Chingon on March 28, 2017, 01:02:19 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Yep
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 01:08:25 PM

Very dishonest

They can put all of the lipstick on this pig they want to but the true sense of how the fans feel is in ticket revenue, season ticket sales, and Ahearn seat donations. There are all kinds of ways to manipulate attendance numbers.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 28, 2017, 01:09:05 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Yep

I agree.

They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.

Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.

We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 01:15:27 PM
I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Yep

I agree.

They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.

Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.

We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.

The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 01:17:55 PM


I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Yep

I agree.

They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.

Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.

We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.

The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L

Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 28, 2017, 01:21:03 PM


I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Yep

I agree.

They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.

Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.

We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.

The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L

Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.

Yeah, its LOLable how bad we were under Wooly. Its hard to imagine we let it get to that point.

Plus I'm pretty sure people turned on/hated Asbury much worse after his 3rd year than Weber.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 01:42:05 PM


I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Yep

I agree.

They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.

Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.

We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.

The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L

Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.

Yeah, its LOLable how bad we were under Wooly. Its hard to imagine we let it get to that point.

Plus I'm pretty sure people turned on/hated Asbury much worse after his 3rd year than Weber.

Bib overalls :lol:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 01:46:14 PM


I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Yep

I agree.

They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.

Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.

We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.

The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L

Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.

Yeah, its LOLable how bad we were under Wooly. Its hard to imagine we let it get to that point.

Plus I'm pretty sure people turned on/hated Asbury much worse after his 3rd year than Weber.

i don't think so. people really hate oscar.  it didn't seem the same about asbury.  people were apathetic towards basketball in the mid-90's.  this is when snyder really started to take off and football had the fans by the balls and vag pretty securely. 
asbury's 3rd year in 96-97 he went 3-13 but it was our  10-2 holiday bowl year.  4 consecutive 11 win seasons were staring at us in the face.  our basketball arena was outfitted with teal accents and nobody GAF.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on March 28, 2017, 01:47:18 PM
The teal!  :lol:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 28, 2017, 02:05:52 PM
That team sucked too. The losses of Hatcher and Davis from the previous NCAA season led to lowered expectations, but no one expected to be blown out by Wichita State, then have a string of 11 losses in 12 games, and overall finish the season losing 16 of our last 20 games. Only his last season was worse.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Ptolemy on March 28, 2017, 02:17:08 PM
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.

Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Brock Landers on March 28, 2017, 02:26:48 PM
our basketball arena was outfitted with teal accents and nobody GAF.

I legitimately do not remember the teal accents.  People talk about trying to block horrible memories and it looks like this is an example of where I have suceeded in doing so.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 28, 2017, 02:32:45 PM
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.

Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.

I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 02:33:06 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 28, 2017, 02:38:15 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it

Yeah, I don't think our younger fans realize how bad it was. LA Gear, oh man.

Also, Asbury/Reebok tried some uniform combos, we wore grey/silver a couple of times and black once or twice as well. It was just that nobody cared or knew about it.

I mean, who wouldn't want to have this sweet jacket now?

(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/mar-1996-kansas-state-wildcats-head-coach-tom-asbury-confers-with-a-picture-id352804)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: mocat on March 28, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
guys, oscar went 5-13 in conference last year
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 02:52:54 PM
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.

Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.

Are you that guy who always takes it a step too far?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: scottwildcat on March 28, 2017, 02:53:14 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it

Yeah, I don't think our younger fans realize how bad it was. LA Gear, oh man.

Also, Asbury/Reebok tried some uniform combos, we wore grey/silver a couple of times and black once or twice as well. It was just that nobody cared or knew about it.

I mean, who wouldn't want to have this sweet jacket now?

(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/mar-1996-kansas-state-wildcats-head-coach-tom-asbury-confers-with-a-picture-id352804)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 28, 2017, 02:54:57 PM
we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product

lies



hey mir, why don't you get that mud off of your face
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 28, 2017, 02:55:39 PM
guys, oscar went 5-13 in conference last year

Yeah, that's hard to forget.

I looked up all the sub .300 conference seasons in the last 30 years. Asbury had 3 in 6 seasons. Wooly had 2 in 6 seasons. Altman had 2 in 4 seasons.

Year   Coach   Wins   Losses   %age
2000   Asbury   2   14   0.125
1997   Asbury   3   13   0.188
1991   Altman   3   11   0.214
1995   Asbury   3   11   0.214
2001   Wooly   4   12   0.250
2003   Wooly   4   12   0.250
2016   Weber   5   13   0.278
1994   Altman   4   10   0.286
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Ptolemy on March 28, 2017, 03:00:39 PM

I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.

I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 28, 2017, 03:04:21 PM
I know the stuff about oscar not wanting to get his hands dirty, etc. but at the end of the day he isn't a great recruiter. He isn't terrible either though, he's brought in decent talent here, good enough to win games. oscar's problem always seems to be the consistency of effort/intensity his teams play with during a season, at least in the last 12 seasons at Illinois/K-State.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 28, 2017, 03:08:40 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it

Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 28, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it

Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?

I'm pretty sure he's coaching Marcus Foster.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: mocat on March 28, 2017, 03:10:36 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it

Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?

coaching at university of Nike
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 03:11:49 PM
wooly did a pretty damn good job recruiting. The fact that he got a guy like Hoskins so late in his shitty tenure was pretty remarkable.

oscar does OK, too.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2017, 03:14:31 PM
so maybe it's not that tough to recruit to a decent program in the country's best basketball conference

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Canary on March 28, 2017, 03:35:36 PM
Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.

Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.

I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
And there is no way that he doesn't want to win.  You don't go into this (or really, any) profession where competition is key and not care about winning.  Now what he defines as successful, and how he works towards that goal can be debated endlessly. But to say a D-1 coach doesn't want to win is ludicrous. And I am not a fan of his, but the comparisons are not even remotely in the same ballpark.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: AbeFroman on March 28, 2017, 03:40:25 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it

That LA Gear deal reminds me of all the schools getting duped by Under Armour these days.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 28, 2017, 03:41:57 PM
I know the stuff about oscar not wanting to get his hands dirty, etc. but at the end of the day he isn't a great recruiter. He isn't terrible either though, he's brought in decent talent here, good enough to win games. oscar's problem always seems to be the consistency of effort/intensity his teams play with during a season, at least in the last 12 seasons at Illinois/K-State.

Look how his team preformed relative to their projected Kenpom scores. Look at its g-score ratings on http://barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Kansas+St. I don't think it is fair to say it is effort/intensity, one of the main reason that isn't his brand of basketball and it will never measure up to the Huggins coaching tree.

I don't think this team was wildly inconsistent outside of how poor they played at OU. I don't think it is fair to judge a season or team on one game. In total they seemed to be a pretty solid team that just wasn't good enough to make a push where fans wanted them to be in a loaded big 12. They stayed between 26-36 ranking the entire big 12 season and did that with no bench. Not having a bench and being decently young add to a normal amount inconsistency.

I think most of the issues with this team fall under the roster building. Having the roster flip over two years had a negative effect. The team had depth issues. The team had issues with having size, strength and athleticism at the post position. Team had point guard issues with only having Kam.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 28, 2017, 03:50:08 PM
at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it

That LA Gear deal reminds me of all the schools getting duped by Under Armour these days.
:facepalm:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 07:38:39 PM
we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product

lies



hey mir, why don't you get that mud off of your face

Yes! Those two commercials were the gold standard. As terrible as that era of basketball was I miss those promos. Back then we did a commercial and a poster and nothing else. I used to get so amped for basketball when those commercials started. HELL YES COACH, I'M READY! At least we had a likeable program then :cry:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 07:43:57 PM

I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.

I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.

Am I crazy or did he recruit Marcus Foster and Westicles?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 28, 2017, 08:29:55 PM
we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product

lies



hey mir, why don't you get that mud off of your face

Yes! Those two commercials were the gold standard. As terrible as that era of basketball was I miss those promos. Back then we did a commercial and a poster and nothing else. I used to get so amped for basketball when those commercials started. HELL YES COACH, I'M READY! At least we had a likeable program then :cry:

Yes, those are amazing commercials.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 08:48:53 PM


that ball with those shades!

god bless fatty
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 29, 2017, 09:38:43 AM

I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.

I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.

Am I crazy or did he recruit Marcus Foster and Westicles?
Wade, Sneed, Harris, DJamer, etc. Biggest misconception about oscar. Hate him for who he is, but stop bringing up this lame ass talking point that he can't recruit ppl.  :jerk:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: kim carnes on March 29, 2017, 09:42:08 AM
Hey wacky, do us all a favor and never post on this forum ever again
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: meow meow on March 29, 2017, 10:14:42 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 29, 2017, 11:02:28 AM
newsflash- we don't make the tournament this year if it was still just 64 teams. that would mean three years in a row of non ncaa tournament. well recruited teams don't miss the tournament three years in a row. that's like saying you recruit well in football, but have missed out on a bowl game three years in a row which would be stupid to say. so yeah on the oscar doesn't recruit well front. also, if oscar took over after Asbury, I don't think he would have done much/any better than wooly and if wooly took over after frank, I don't think he would have done much/any worse than weber. nobody can convince me that they are that much different.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2017, 11:28:07 AM
oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 29, 2017, 11:36:28 AM
Yeah, sorry daris, we did make the tourney this year with his recruits tho. Stop playing the what if game. trash him for other crap.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 29, 2017, 11:36:58 AM
He is ok at finding wings but his points are projects and his posts at ksu have almost all been disasters
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 29, 2017, 11:37:37 AM
Its hard for me to think Wooly could have had any success no matter what. He coached D1 teams for 19 seasons and had 1 NCAA (his only postseason). His teams only finished .500 or better in conference play 5 times. Wooly is a likable guy who was a bad basketball coach. Weber isn't a likable guy and is an average basketball coach.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 29, 2017, 11:42:10 AM
oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at

i'll agree that weber recruits ok. but I'm not going to agree that he recruits well or even above average.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 29, 2017, 11:44:32 AM
newsflash- we don't make the tournament this year if it was still just 64 teams. that would mean three years in a row of non ncaa tournament. well recruited teams don't miss the tournament three years in a row. that's like saying you recruit well in football, but have missed out on a bowl game three years in a row which would be stupid to say. so yeah on the oscar doesn't recruit well front. also, if oscar took over after Asbury, I don't think he would have done much/any better than wooly and if wooly took over after frank, I don't think he would have done much/any worse than weber. nobody can convince me that they are that much different.

We probably would have been a whole lot better this year and last year if oscar would have handled Marcus Foster better.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 29, 2017, 11:44:45 AM
Yeah, sorry daris, we did make the tourney this year with his recruits tho. Stop playing the what if game. trash him for other crap.

I'll trash him for whatever I want to dickface. the point is that comparing him to wooly based on tournament appearances isn't a fair comparison because this team would not have been a tournament team when wooly was coaching. that needs to be acknowledged.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 29, 2017, 11:59:03 AM
Its hard for me to think Wooly could have had any success no matter what. He coached D1 teams for 19 seasons and had 1 NCAA (his only postseason). His teams only finished .500 or better in conference play 5 times. Wooly is a likable guy who was a bad basketball coach. Weber isn't a likable guy and is an average basketball coach.

did wooly ever inherit a team that had five future nba players on it? because if he would have, I'm guessing he would have made the tournament more times than one time.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Panjandrum on March 29, 2017, 12:05:24 PM
Yes, those are amazing commercials.

Kansas State Basketball: We will make sure there is a team on the floor at tip off. After that, no promises or refunds. Go Cats.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Panjandrum on March 29, 2017, 12:08:31 PM
oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at

i'll agree that weber recruits ok. but I'm not going to agree that he recruits well or even above average.

I think oscar does everything at a C+/B- range, and when the conditions are right, he can reach to a B/B+.  But that's like once or twice a decade.

I mean, the whole narrative I see with most oscar supporters, even those playing Devil's advocate is that we could do worse.  I got into it with Tyler Dreiling on Twitter over that.

And I'm not proud of that last sentence.  I'm really not.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 29, 2017, 12:10:32 PM
oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at

i'll agree that weber recruits ok. but I'm not going to agree that he recruits well or even above average.

I think oscar does everything at a C+/B- range, and when the conditions are right, he can reach to a B/B+.  But that's like once or twice a decade.

I mean, the whole narrative I see with most oscar supporters, even those playing Devil's advocate is that we could do worse.  I got into it with Tyler Dreiling on Twitter over that.

And I'm not proud of that last sentence.  I'm really not.
:lol:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: mocat on March 29, 2017, 12:41:22 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2017, 12:49:45 PM
He is ok at finding wings but his points are projects and his posts at ksu have almost all been disasters

wes was our pg this year, say that to his face
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 29, 2017, 12:59:45 PM
Wes is a great example of oscar's good wing recruiting
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 01:06:39 PM
Its hard for me to think Wooly could have had any success no matter what. He coached D1 teams for 19 seasons and had 1 NCAA (his only postseason). His teams only finished .500 or better in conference play 5 times. Wooly is a likable guy who was a bad basketball coach. Weber isn't a likable guy and is an average basketball coach.

Being .500 at the p5 conference level would probably put him above average depending on the context. I think it is also fair to say quality of a individual coach is fluid and is also very dependent on his coaching staff. Scott Drew is better coach today than he was 4 years ago. The question is from where Weber is now is he moving up in the market or is the market surpassing him.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 01:08:44 PM
Wes is a great example of oscar's good wing recruiting

Oscar is good with wings. Good a coaching point guards, but awful at recruiting/evaluating. General mess with Bigs. :dunno:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2017, 01:10:53 PM
He is aware of his bigs recruiting/developing problem.  It's why Korn Dawg is on staff now.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 01:16:51 PM
He is aware of his bigs recruiting/developing problem.  It's why Korn Dawg is on staff now.

I think his big philosophy has been different at K-State than Illinois. His choices of big this year seem better. But I think the overall execution has been pretty poor. Not having Malek Harris hurts because he had a good motor and better Athleticism than the rest of our roster returning. I know he is at the D-II level right now but he was in car accident that really set his career back.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 01:44:04 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 01:47:13 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.

Although JHR may have been more valuable because of his rim protection. But DJamer was pretty good at that, too. I just don't think production from the 4/5 is THAT big of a deal. oscar's PG's are OK, his bigs are OK, his wings are OK. He just recruits OK. He certainly hasn't had a Frank 2008 dogshit class since he's been here.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: wetwillie on March 29, 2017, 01:49:25 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.

I'm researched out for the week but I hope this isn't true.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 29, 2017, 01:50:12 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer. 

 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: hatingfrancis on March 29, 2017, 01:55:34 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer.

Neck and Neck in my book.  DJamer edges CK by a slim margin.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 01:59:00 PM
DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer. 

 

oh yeah beasley :peek:

But yeah, look up the stats b/w DJamer and CK. Very comparable jr/sr seasons but DJamer was a much more efficent scorer and a slightly better rebounder.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 02:00:32 PM
you could make an argument for JHR because of defense and rebounding though. DJamer is clearly the best scorer of the 3.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 02:03:52 PM
DJamer defense was hit and miss the rest of oscar's bigs poor. Half of Franks big seemed to Better defensively.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2017, 02:06:26 PM
oscar is pretty good at developing players, don't you guys agree?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2017, 02:11:17 PM
I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on March 29, 2017, 02:26:14 PM
I give the edge to CK on durability, consistent rim protection and the ability to actually shoot
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 0.42 on March 29, 2017, 02:26:55 PM
CK also d flopped which gives him the tiebreaker imo
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 02:27:58 PM


I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.

CK used slightly more possessions and shot slightly more frequently than DJamer. DJamer was just much more efficient.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 02:39:19 PM
I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.

Jamar is under appreciated, imo. Nice to have a 4 that can shoot the 3 but as beast on the board and draws fouls.  That is a hell of a third option.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 29, 2017, 02:43:59 PM
So I guess Oscar isn't fired, then?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 02:46:41 PM
oscar is pretty good at developing players, don't you guys agree?

He's OK at it!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 29, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: pissclams link=topic=38999.msg1703873#msg1703873 date=1490814386
oscar is pretty good at developing players, don't you guys agree?
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He's OK at it!

A major part of developing players is recruiting players that have a skill set they can grow. He has been pretty hit and miss in this part and it is discounted by player attrition but most coaches has turnover. The players that have stayed seem to always  make more than incremental steps.

Another draw back is I don't think be does a good job of making great college players and or utilize their skill set. I think Rodney became a more rounded offensive player under Weber, but oscar didn't utilize him as well as Frank. The weird kicker is that was our best in conference offense since Lon.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2017, 05:22:48 PM
I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.

Jamar is under appreciated, imo. Nice to have a 4 that can shoot the 3 but as beast on the board and draws fouls.  That is a hell of a third option.

He definitely is underappreciated but I think we're talking about centers, if we're just talking "forwards" the answer clearly starts and stops with Michael Beasley.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: kim carnes on March 29, 2017, 07:19:48 PM
Oscars best seasons came when he inherited someone else's players.  So if you're going to argue he is decent at anything it should be coaching.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: slackcat on April 07, 2017, 02:40:48 AM
Still here???
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on April 07, 2017, 09:00:08 AM
Update: oscar is still here.

Reason: Veatch feels sorry for him.


Quote
Weber knew it was coming, too, but shortly after the story appeared in the Manhattan Mercury he said he got something else from interim athletic director Laird Veatch:

An apology.

“He didn’t really want it to be a vote of confidence,” Weber said. “It was just supposed to come out that I’m the coach and all that stuff. He called me right after, and said, ‘I’m sorry that’s the wording.’ ”

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on April 07, 2017, 09:03:34 AM
 :jerk:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Cire on April 07, 2017, 09:31:16 AM
hate the feel sorry stuff.

Bottom line, the fanbase is disconnected because of frank running off and then the foster stuff and then losing.

If he was winning the fOOD would be the OOD
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: meow meow on April 07, 2017, 09:32:37 AM
#apologyU
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on April 07, 2017, 09:42:45 AM
hate the feel sorry stuff.

Bottom line, the fanbase is disconnected because of frank running off and then the foster stuff and then losing.

If he was winning the fOOD would be the OOD

Yep.

And oscar feeling the need to say Veatch apologized to him sums up the article perfectly. oscar gonna oscar. Always.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on April 07, 2017, 09:48:18 AM
oscar gonna oscar. Always.

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But there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”

Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.

“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.

:lol:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on April 07, 2017, 09:55:52 AM
 :blindfold:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on April 07, 2017, 10:00:13 AM
I mean, a normal person probably just says "I get along well with Laird. We've already worked together for several years and in his short time as interim AD he's been very supportive of me and the program. I look forward to working with him until a new AD is hired." This doesn't seem hard.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Brock Landers on April 07, 2017, 10:14:58 AM
oscar:  Hey if your standards are low, 21 wins and a First Four game are pretty good.  It's all about perspective!

 :flush:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Yard Dog on April 07, 2017, 10:19:43 AM
Maybe he will actually take his friends advice and stop making Brucescuses? :dunno:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: meow meow on April 07, 2017, 10:51:06 AM
or close his mouth
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ChiCat on April 07, 2017, 11:03:02 AM
oscar gonna oscar. Always.

Quote
But there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”

Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.

“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.

:lol:

That schedule was created with the sole purpose of touting the 21 wins. 
Title: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: catastrophe on April 07, 2017, 11:16:21 AM
I may be crazy, but I actually think oscar is a good coach who is just lazy. He likes playing easy games when he can and he has a knack for winning just enough to avoid getting canned. I just think he prefers to coast in mediocrity and collect a paycheck rather than try to seriously compete for anything important, which I can kind of relate to.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on April 07, 2017, 11:21:17 AM
I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy. Some here have mentioned that he may be "on the spectrum" and I can completely see that being reality. I do think he knows the game well enough and many aspects he teaches well, but at the end of the day he's just okay at recruiting and overall program management, at least at the P5 level. The leads to just being just an okay coach, which is probably fine, but the personality and comments doesn't lend itself to him being as "likable" as a coach. If you are going to live in the average range as a P5 coach, you better have a likable personality and oscar just doesn't.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: mocat on April 07, 2017, 11:28:36 AM
(http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz156/ksubrooks/BruceRun_zpsb7df686d.gif)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Joker on April 07, 2017, 11:37:26 AM
oscar just isn't Wooly enough. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on April 07, 2017, 11:51:21 AM
oscar just isn't Wooly enough. 

Yeah. oscar is way better as a coach, but about 100% less likable.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 07, 2017, 11:55:12 AM
oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 07, 2017, 12:41:52 PM
Update: oscar is still here.

Reason: Veatch feels sorry for him.


Quote
Weber knew it was coming, too, but shortly after the story appeared in the Manhattan Mercury he said he got something else from interim athletic director Laird Veatch:

An apology.

“He didn’t really want it to be a vote of confidence,” Weber said. “It was just supposed to come out that I’m the coach and all that stuff. He called me right after, and said, ‘I’m sorry that’s the wording.’ ”

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html)

Vote of confidences are stupid, they always end in a firing a year later. I think it is smart on Veatch's part to try and not give one. Just awful execution.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sys on April 07, 2017, 12:44:31 PM
I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...

he doesn't seem to like point guards.  he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on April 07, 2017, 12:51:05 PM
I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...

he doesn't seem to like point guards.  he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.

Very true. Also very strange since on the of the offensive stats he seems to value the most are assists per made made FGs.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sys on April 07, 2017, 12:56:29 PM
i think he has a platonic ideal of a bball team in his head of 5 interchangeable 6'7" guys with combo skills.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 07, 2017, 01:11:45 PM
oscar gonna oscar. Always.

Quote
But there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”

Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.

“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.

:lol:

That schedule was created with the sole purpose of touting the 21 wins.

I think this is just poor logic. One it is better to have a harder schedule, a better SOS makes it easier to make the NCAAs. Two the staff tried to beef up schedule but no one would schedule them, that is more of a reflection of what other programs thought of K-State. Three teams was totally capable of beating good teams there is a reason they finished 30th in kenpom.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on April 07, 2017, 01:23:13 PM
None of that matters.  The funny part is that in addressing how to fix the problem of people hating him b/c of how he presents himself publicly, he said something absurdly dumb and condescending.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on April 07, 2017, 03:28:36 PM
I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...

he doesn't seem to like point guards.  he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does sign
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on April 07, 2017, 04:16:27 PM
oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.

I'd still want him fired and I suspect most would. The issues I think he has don't go away with the deodorant of winning a Big 12 title. Did he win anyone over with the last conference championship he won?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on April 07, 2017, 04:17:53 PM
oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.

I'd still want him fired and I suspect most would. The issues I think he has don't go away with the deodorant of winning a Big 12 title. Did he win anyone over with the last conference championship he won?

An Elite 8 might warm some people to oscar. Maybe.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 07, 2017, 04:37:25 PM
oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.

I'd still want him fired and I suspect most would. The issues I think he has don't go away with the deodorant of winning a Big 12 title. Did he win anyone over with the last conference championship he won?

I thought I was probably wrong about him after his second year. I think if you go back and read the board from that time, it was mostly positive toward oscar. It's amazing how fast the optimism of having 3 more years of Marcus Foster to build around can vanish.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on April 07, 2017, 04:58:39 PM
i think he has a platonic ideal of a bball team in his head of 5 interchangeable 6'7" guys with combo skills.
not the worst way to coach
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pvegs on April 07, 2017, 10:31:18 PM
I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...

he doesn't seem to like point guards.  he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does sign

i honestly don't know how the players deal with that aspect. it would just be so confusing/distracting/annoying and lead to me tuning him out (which i'm sure happens).
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: #LIFE on April 08, 2017, 03:45:42 PM
1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.

2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.

This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: sys on April 08, 2017, 04:25:33 PM
you make good points, #life.  i will study this bad deal.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pvegs on April 08, 2017, 05:52:58 PM
1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.

2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.

This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.

i will give the gpc crowd some credit in that the majority seem to have finally revolted against posts like this
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Ptolemy on April 09, 2017, 12:55:43 AM
1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.

2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.

This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.

Please seek psychological therapy.

This is not that complicated.

Oscar has shown himself via his record of accomplishment to be a good mid-major level coach.  He is in over his head - in recruiting, game day coaching, player development, and public relations - at the Power 5 level.

That's it.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: libliblibliblibliblib on April 09, 2017, 01:19:32 AM
Solid rebuttal 'lemy
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on April 09, 2017, 03:28:08 AM
I'm just happy Freddy Brown got some love in that post.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 09, 2017, 12:52:08 PM
I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...

he doesn't seem to like point guards.  he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does sign

He hasn't signed one in the fall yet at K-State. It is rough ridin' insane.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ELL3 on April 09, 2017, 01:15:15 PM
1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.

2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.

This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.

Great point, the record in conference is not important. That try really hard chart needs to be how we evaluate coaches, poor Oscar just has the deck stacked against him.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 09, 2017, 01:45:12 PM
oscar can't fix Currie's problem.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on April 09, 2017, 07:30:55 PM
I betcha Oscar goes transCoach on us.  Yeow, transRoy, transBill, transBrad.  You scoff!  If white guy can be black because he thinks he is, if boys can be girls and girls boys by just thinking so, then Oscar can do the same.  We could be witnessing the transformation to OscarMan.  Mild mannered goofer away from basketball, but a hellion of intense fervent coaching when in Bb mode.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: #LIFE on June 11, 2017, 08:33:04 PM
Heard from a fairly ITK source this weekend that Mr. Ice and others are very good friends with oscar and are 100% behind him still being here. Also, if he continues to fart out anything remotely close to the NCAA bubble, basically anything around .500 overall, his job is completely safe as long as he wants to coach here.
















Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on June 11, 2017, 08:35:44 PM
Punch these people in the face #life
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: #LIFE on June 11, 2017, 09:03:45 PM
Punch these people in the face #life

This person did not share the same thoughts as the few "big fish" but he says that's how they feel so nothing will probably change barring some 1 or 2 win conference season or something. Even then he would probably be given a chance for a bounceback year. Made me very sad, but also didn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on June 11, 2017, 09:05:50 PM
Punch these people in the face #life

This person did not share the same thoughts as the few "big fish" but he says that's how they feel so nothing will probably change barring some 1 or 2 win conference season or something. Even then he would probably be given a chance for a bounceback year. Made me very sad, but also didn't surprise me.

Punch these people in the face #life
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: michigancat on June 12, 2017, 12:08:48 AM
This is like the least shocking news ever
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: meow meow on June 12, 2017, 09:00:35 AM
why do our biggest donors have to be seemingly giant dumbasses
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on June 12, 2017, 09:06:49 AM
i'd guess that most of our donors are giant dumbasses
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: meow meow on June 12, 2017, 09:39:49 AM
but why?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: pissclams on June 12, 2017, 09:47:56 AM
a lot of it probably begins with our open admissions policy :dunno: 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 14, 2017, 03:17:29 PM
Heard from a fairly ITK source this weekend that Mr. Ice and others are very good friends with oscar and are 100% behind him still being here. Also, if he continues to fart out anything remotely close to the NCAA bubble, basically anything around .500 overall, his job is completely safe as long as he wants to coach here.

yeah major studs Karl and Mary like being associated with huge losers like oscar.  Your ITK doesn't K crap
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Ptolemy on June 14, 2017, 11:19:24 PM
Heard from a fairly ITK source this weekend that Mr. Ice and others are very good friends with oscar and are 100% behind him still being here. Also, if he continues to fart out anything remotely close to the NCAA bubble, basically anything around .500 overall, his job is completely safe as long as he wants to coach here.

That kind of nonsense motivates me to make my business interests SO profitable that I can wave more dollars in the face of Gen. Meyers than the Ice family so he will act in my best interests rather than theirs.

America!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 15, 2017, 11:11:53 AM
today?  why not? maybe The Mustang is at the UC pool
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: #LIFE on June 15, 2017, 01:00:55 PM
Rumblings the loser ran another player off
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 15, 2017, 01:43:30 PM
Rumblings the loser ran another player off

Like, our only big man too.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 15, 2017, 01:49:04 PM
You can't brag about your players doing well at other schools if you don't run them off first.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 15, 2017, 01:51:05 PM
Maurice?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 15, 2017, 01:56:18 PM
Maurice?

(http://replygif.net/i/1374.gif)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on June 15, 2017, 02:03:47 PM
:emawkid:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Winters on June 15, 2017, 02:05:16 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Gooch on June 15, 2017, 02:09:15 PM
Adversity!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on June 15, 2017, 02:13:07 PM
eff me

Hasn't K-State bball been bragging about him working out overseas through twitter?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 15, 2017, 02:15:39 PM
Could he be a more huge loser? 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on June 15, 2017, 02:17:00 PM
GPC post of the day:
Quote
I agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Winters on June 15, 2017, 02:22:35 PM
GPC post of the day:
Quote
I agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.
Holy eff
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: mocat on June 15, 2017, 02:22:40 PM
he would have gotten like 95% of the available minutes this year right? i mean iirc this is a list of our bigs:

1. maurice
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: #LIFE on June 15, 2017, 02:24:01 PM
I think it's pretty obvious who the toxic loser is
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/oscar+Weber+Texas+Rangers+v+Kansas+City+Royals+hQbAlrHG7tBl.jpg)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ChiCat on June 15, 2017, 02:24:55 PM
1) I don't know if he was creating a problem
2) Problems are trouble
3) That troublesome problem can eff right off
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: mocat on June 15, 2017, 02:25:34 PM
^ just like voter fraud
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 15, 2017, 02:27:25 PM
It's a new AD that probably hasn't heard too many brucuses yet, so maybe oscar is gonna blow this thing up and preach rebuild/contract extension to him to cash a few more years worth of checks.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--cruT8j5F--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/zck3eju0ncntbmoamagv.gif)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 15, 2017, 02:54:42 PM
Considering our new AD is a small timey loser who took this job as his last job ever and intends to milk it for every penny he can get while doing the bare minimum to improve us, I am pretty sure oscar is safe.

We need to change the name of this board to "we deserve this F'ing S"
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Trim on June 15, 2017, 03:58:52 PM
Mamawhite?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: meow meow on June 15, 2017, 04:06:14 PM
i'm sure our dumbass fans will still show up to the games though
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on June 15, 2017, 04:15:59 PM
GPC post of the day:
Quote
I agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.

increds :love:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on June 15, 2017, 04:19:04 PM
Good God. eff oscar.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on June 15, 2017, 05:36:06 PM
It is compliance, has nothing to do with Weber.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 15, 2017, 05:58:38 PM
It is compliance, has nothing to do with Weber.

Yeah, the guy in charge of managing his own rough ridin' program has no blame.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on June 15, 2017, 06:02:43 PM
Skinny Benny needs to do remix of Garth Brooks "Shameless." But instead blameless.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: The Big Train on June 15, 2017, 06:14:44 PM
It is compliance, has nothing to do with Weber.

Yeah, the guy in charge of managing his own rough ridin' program has no blame.

It's not his fault!
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksupamplemousse on June 15, 2017, 07:00:54 PM
Compliance should stop recruiting all these shitheads that oscar can't even play because they keep getting kicked off the team. You all want oscar fired like a bunch of dorks. Compliance is who really needs to be fired (non-sarcastic portion of this post, compliance may need to have their house cleaned, it's possible that they may actually be a bunch of eff-faces, still doesn't absolve oscar of the 100% of the blame he deserves for this shitshow.)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: memphis on June 15, 2017, 08:13:41 PM
 :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: BackPayne on June 15, 2017, 09:33:40 PM
No. 100% on oscar.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Tobias on June 16, 2017, 01:22:46 AM
No. 100% on oscar.

:lol:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: BackPayne on June 16, 2017, 08:12:40 AM
No. 100% on oscar.

:lol:

I want Weber gone so I will believe this. :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: HELLHAMMER on June 16, 2017, 08:13:15 AM
The McAtee kid is going to get the open scholarship, isn't he.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on June 16, 2017, 08:31:02 AM
The McAtee kid is going to get the open scholarship, isn't he.
Comes from a poor family. Deserves it.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: grainer on June 16, 2017, 09:24:32 AM
I find it pathetically ironic that big donors who are successful enough business folk to have million(s) available to donate to KSU and thus one would assume they have some significant business know-how, are stupid enough to find the current state of KSU MBB acceptable.
I am not spending another dime on KSU MBB until this coach is gone. I'm done. More people should do the same. Drop the ticket sales - that should send a message.
If people won't vote with their pocketbooks, then we all share culpability for this bullsh8t continuing.


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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on June 16, 2017, 10:04:41 AM
Did KSU have him piss as soon as he came back from Europe?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 16, 2017, 10:36:37 AM
It is pretty interesting that no one really GAF about this news at this point.  oscar and The Mustang have killed it.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on June 16, 2017, 10:43:50 AM
It is pretty interesting that no one really GAF about this news at this point.  oscar and The Mustang have killed it.
Yeah, I was just thinking about this yesterday. We're all pretty numb to it these days.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 16, 2017, 11:15:15 AM
we literally lose 1-2 contributing players a year.  Some years they are our best player yet the fans sit around and think of ways it's not the coaches fault.

something that was legitimately bizarre when it first started happening is now totally normal.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on June 16, 2017, 11:59:11 AM
No. 100% on oscar.

:lol:

I want Weber gone so I will believe this. :shakesfist:

Its all on Currie and his compliance office he molded. 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: BackPayne on June 16, 2017, 03:04:14 PM
 :dubious:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: memphis on June 16, 2017, 05:41:29 PM
No. 100% on oscar.

:lol:

I want Weber gone so I will believe this. :shakesfist:

Its all on Currie and his compliance office he molded.

The Animal still in action :driving:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: #LIFE on June 16, 2017, 06:26:40 PM
Quote
Weber has learned from the Marcus Foster fiasco. I applaud the move. This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world. I don't care to place my allegiance in any KSU athlete who is not disciplined enough to follow team rules. There is no worse cancer for a team than allowing an athlete to compete under a double standard.

Quote
As Dave said, Weber has learned from the Foster fiasco. I, too, respect Weber for sticking with the rules. We're getting close to the point where the whole system snubs the rules in order to win. For this poster, it's a breath of fresh air to be able to support a program which tries to do it right. It's a shame for Maurice. I bet his dad is disappointed to say the least. Marijuana is addictive to those who have addictive personalities.

Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: steve dave on June 16, 2017, 07:39:32 PM
Quote
This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world

holy crap. imagine if a KU message boarder said  "This is what separates (whoever their coach is) and us from the LHC Bill Snyder's/K-State's of the world
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: memphis on June 16, 2017, 09:42:38 PM
Quote
This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world

holy crap. imagine if a KU message boarder said  "This is what separates (whoever their coach is) and us from the LHC LHC Bill Snyder's/K-State's of the world

Spracs, did Self start the fire?
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Spracne on June 16, 2017, 11:35:06 PM
Point Plank'n 😬

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on June 17, 2017, 09:01:41 AM
I don't think we will beat KU this year now
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: SdK on June 17, 2017, 09:02:02 AM
I don't think we will beat KU this year now
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 17, 2017, 12:28:12 PM
Meh, even in his down years oscar beats ku
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ELL3 on June 17, 2017, 01:07:12 PM
Quote
Weber has learned from the Marcus Foster fiasco. I applaud the move. This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world. I don't care to place my allegiance in any KSU athlete who is not disciplined enough to follow team rules. There is no worse cancer for a team than allowing an athlete to compete under a double standard.

Quote
As Dave said, Weber has learned from the Foster fiasco. I, too, respect Weber for sticking with the rules. We're getting close to the point where the whole system snubs the rules in order to win. For this poster, it's a breath of fresh air to be able to support a program which tries to do it right. It's a shame for Maurice. I bet his dad is disappointed to say the least. Marijuana is addictive to those who have addictive personalities.

If this a legit post, it makes me sad we have people like this in our fanbase
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on June 18, 2017, 06:15:33 PM
Every fanbase has these dumbasses
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Katdaddy on June 18, 2017, 07:07:04 PM
Every fanbase has these dumbasses
Wack, this is totally unlike you.  Aren't you the guy who admires those that stand on their own two feet and want to do the right thing; as in "not Bill Self".
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 0.42 on July 08, 2017, 08:10:19 PM
Every fanbase has these dumbasses
Agreed, but it seems like compared to most P5 schools they constitute an extremely high percentage of the overall support base. I can only think of a handful of schools where such open self sabotage in the name of hypercompliance and busting players for weed would be tolerated by an open majority of their fanbase, and none of them are particularly good at anything aside from the occasional hobby support. Think Iowa State, Purdue, Oregon State, maybe Wazzu once the Animal runs off Leach.

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Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: memphis on July 20, 2017, 06:39:22 PM
 :flush:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: #LIFE on July 20, 2017, 10:28:23 PM
Still holding out hope he gets Kurt Budke'd or something. At this point it doesn't even matter anymore though, the damage has been done.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: WackyCat08 on July 20, 2017, 10:59:59 PM
Thank god #life is updating us on this program. Could you imagine a world without him/her? Great scooping from the fan board, friend. Nothing says "IDGAF" other than copying and pasting crap after a tourney run. :cheers:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on July 21, 2017, 01:56:47 AM
Why blow a hemroid? Either enjoy or wash your hands of the whole deal like life.  There is therapeutic mental relief cussing Oscar.  Instead of taking your pent up devils on your dog, cat, kids or wife, hold up a picture of Oscar.  After a 5 minute fit cussing spit in stomping spaz tirade, you will feel calm.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Skipper44 on July 21, 2017, 03:12:11 PM
Still holding out hope he gets Kurt Budke'd or something. At this point it doesn't even matter anymore though, the damage has been done.
#LIFE - precedent has been set and maybe we can get Wooly to file the FOIA. We just need you to steal Weber's uni provided phone and a few backpage numbers
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/7/20/15971800/hugh-freeze-ole-miss-houston-nutt-lawsuit (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/7/20/15971800/hugh-freeze-ole-miss-houston-nutt-lawsuit)
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: dal9 on July 21, 2017, 09:58:28 PM
Still holding out hope he gets Kurt Budke'd or something.
fuk'd up.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Bloodfart on July 22, 2017, 04:26:37 PM
FIRE DAT MUTHAFUCKA NOW! 
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: renocat on July 29, 2017, 06:16:56 AM
Why did WHB 810 drop Cats for KU?  Duur.  Ring Oscar's doorbell.  During football season the station gets itz football revenue from the Chiefs.  Who in KC listens to AverageJoe osccarball in KC?  WHB likely figures this is Snyder's last year and our Whizbanger Sport Dudes will hire an average is good coach.  So thanks Weber for us being put on some knothead station out of Bucyrus or Beagle.  Losing broadcast money should get big loot boosters something to think about.  We will be next to poorest media money making team in the area.  Nehuskers are last.
Title: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: ksu_FAN on July 30, 2017, 10:30:21 AM
I know it's not an either/or situation, but K-State being on 580 is way better for the majority of fans than being on 810. In the scheme of things, this is pretty insignificant.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: memphis on July 30, 2017, 04:42:13 PM
  :dubious:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pett on July 31, 2017, 03:19:44 PM
I was holding out hope for a Thad Matta type scenario. It's looking like Oscar will our head coach once again you guys :frown:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: meow meow on July 31, 2017, 04:59:00 PM
i think i'd go for the LHC Bill Snyder scenario, where oscar steps down before the season and his son/daughter runs the team this year.
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: 0.42 on August 01, 2017, 08:49:03 AM
i think i'd go for the LHC Bill Snyder scenario, where oscar steps down before the season and his son/daughter runs the team this year.

This could actually be super fun maybe? :sdeek:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: memphis on August 01, 2017, 09:05:45 PM
 :impatient:
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: Pett on August 04, 2017, 08:24:11 PM
I was holding out hope for a Thad Matta type scenario. It's looking like Oscar will our head coach once again you guys :frown:

hell, i'd even take a skip prosser scenerio
Title: Re: Daily Update On If oscar Weber Is Fired Yet And, If Not, Why Not
Post by: MakeItRain on August 04, 2017, 09:08:03 PM
I was holding out hope for a Thad Matta type scenario. It's looking like Oscar will our head coach once again you guys :frown:

hell, i'd even take a skip prosser scenerio

Bruh