Briles > Snyder

[That_Guy]

I remember the days when Baylor was an automatic "W" for Kstate.  It didn't matter if we played at home or away, Baylor just rolled over.

I miss those days. I remember I used to root for Baylor except when playing the 'Cats of course back when they were trash just because they were always the underdog in almost every game.

[Rage Against the McKee]

@davidubben: Does Art Briles' rebuild top LHC Bill Snyder's?


I would say yes.    #tucknation is melting down about it.  It's immaterial that Baylor is in Texas and it's immaterial that OU and Texas are "down".   OU has gone 51-15 over the last five seasons.   That's not very "down".    Briles still has to go into Texas high schools and recruit against everyone and their favorite pet.

Briles has matched the success of Snyder. I'm not sure if the rebuild is better only because I'm not sure if Baylor was as bad when Briles arrived as K-State was when Snyder did. They are very comparable.

['taterblast]

@davidubben: Does Art Briles' rebuild top LHC Bill Snyder's?

it's a fair question, i wouldn't be offended by anyone saying briles. but, snyder did have a bigger hole to climb out of. and even if texas-ou aren't exactly down, snyder had to rebuild during the nebraska-colorado monster.

two consecutive league titles is better than anything snyder has done, imo.

[bucket]

They had more history and tradition when Briles arrived compared to when Snyder arrived. However, they were in shambles when they entered the big 12.

[sonofdaxjones]

Any tradition they had prior to Briles was a distant memory. 

35-101 prior to Briles as a member of the Big 12.

[bucket]

Any tradition they had prior to Briles was a distant memory. 

35-101 prior to Briles as a member of the Big 12.

Three bowls in the 90's 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Briles is going to have to make the playoff to pass Snyder for this. Baylor just wasn't quite bad enough. KSU was almost as bad as KU is today.

[420seriouscat69]

What s challenge. Who sucked more before they found the ditr at that school.

[wetwillie]

When he runs it into the ground, retires for a few years and then comes back and wins another league title lets talk.

[sonofdaxjones]

Snyder, Stoops, Patterson, Brown had 8 to 20 year head starts on Briles. 

[GoodForAnother]

when Briles takes off his hat he's super ugly

[bucket]

Snyder, Stoops, Patterson, Brown had 8 to 20 year head starts on Briles.

What?

[GONNATEAMKILLU]

When he runs it into the ground, retires for a few years and then comes back and wins another league title lets talk.

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[Dr Rick Daris]

pretty similar

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Stupid thread. Briles had about 100x the resources when he started. CFB was barely even on tv when Snyder started. Both are insanely successful. I would guess Snyder has a better win%

[meow meow]

When he runs it into the ground, retires for a few years and then comes back and wins another league title lets talk.

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Shouldn't briles get more credit if he doesn't run it into the ground

[sonofdaxjones]

Resources is not a good argument.   Relative to the era, one could easily argue that Briles had fewer resources relative to Snyder.  When Briles started Baylor was woefully behind on facilities relative to the rest of the Big 12 and schools recruiting Texas hard. 

[GONNATEAMKILLU]

When he runs it into the ground, retires for a few years and then comes back and wins another league title lets talk.

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Shouldn't briles get more credit if he doesn't run it into the ground

Absolutely not

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Resources is not a good argument.   Relative to the era, one could easily argue that Briles had fewer resources relative to Snyder.  When Briles started Baylor was woefully behind on facilities relative to the rest of the Big 12 and schools recruiting Texas hard.

Yeah, the cfb landscape of 1989 is essentially identical to the landscape of 2008 (or whenever art started).

[sonofdaxjones]

Resources is not a good argument.   Relative to the era, one could easily argue that Briles had fewer resources relative to Snyder.  When Briles started Baylor was woefully behind on facilities relative to the rest of the Big 12 and schools recruiting Texas hard.

Yeah, the cfb landscape of 1989 is essentially identical to the landscape of 2008 (or whenever art started).

That's pretty much the point.   K-State only had to do $11 million dollars worth of facilities projects in between 1989 and 1993 and other schools were coming to take tours to see them.   In 2008 $11 million in facilities improvements was a drop in the bucket.

[ben ji]

Resources is not a good argument.   Relative to the era, one could easily argue that Briles had fewer resources relative to Snyder.  When Briles started Baylor was woefully behind on facilities relative to the rest of the Big 12 and schools recruiting Texas hard.

Yeah, the cfb landscape of 1989 is essentially identical to the landscape of 2008 (or whenever art started).

That's pretty much the point.   K-State only had to do $11 million dollars worth of facilities projects in between 1989 and 1993 and other schools were coming to take tours to see them.   In 2008 $11 million in facilities improvements was a drop in the bucket.

Was it 2008 that we spent 10 million to "redo" vanier only to tear it all down 8 years later?

Just LOL at the whole RP/BK era.

[bucket]

Resources is not a good argument.   Relative to the era, one could easily argue that Briles had fewer resources relative to Snyder.  When Briles started Baylor was woefully behind on facilities relative to the rest of the Big 12 and schools recruiting Texas hard.

Yeah, the cfb landscape of 1989 is essentially identical to the landscape of 2008 (or whenever art started).

That's pretty much the point.   K-State only had to do $11 million dollars worth of facilities projects in between 1989 and 1993 and other schools were coming to take tours to see them.   In 2008 $11 million in facilities improvements was a drop in the bucket.

Well, obviously, that's because football wasn't the pinnacle of the world at that time. Now it is.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Better resources, better history, recruiting hotbed and he still hasn't accomplished anything greater than Snyder has. This isn't even a question worth serious debate.

['taterblast]

Better resources, better history, recruiting hotbed and he still hasn't accomplished anything greater than Snyder has. This isn't even a question worth serious debate.

as i opined previously, two consecutive big 12 titles is better than anything snyder has done.

but i am curious what dax's point is. like, who cares?

[nicname]

I think we're forgetting how badass KSU was 1997-2003. Snyds' teams were top 10 5-7 years and one that wasn't was Big 12 champs. Briles hasn't matched that. He can tho.